Conlangery #07: Word Creation

Conlangery #07: Word Creation

Published: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:00:53 +0000 \

Content from the Conlangery Podcast is licenced as Creative Commons Attribution - Non Commercial - Share-Alike. You are free to copy, distribute, remix, and create derivative works from the show, so long as you give attribution, your work is not commercial in nature, and you also use a the same license on your own product. The same licence therefore applies to the following transcript.

Transcript

utterance-id1 mm mm mm mm <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> all about the truck did languages are the people at our church poorly over on the other side my lovely cohost bianca mango hello oh in the middle of the country which costs and we have william and try to knock the middle of the country but the north of the middle of the midwest in fact yes upper midwest you've got what they call it yeah i was listening to uh as we are reporting there's a new l. c. s. potash interview with sherry wells janson by the time you get this this might be a month or so old oh for listeners but seeing as a c. l. c. s. pot cast it's probably still getting to be the latest one out there [noise] but i highly recommend that she's not a <unk> per se but she uses constructed language is to teach linguistics and i think it's very interesting i i agree i i listen to it myself i have been saying for a few years now that [noise] these days if you want to get a p._h._d. in the classics greek or latin you're still expected to be able to produce greek in latin [laughter] um and maybe even <unk> first if you're go to a british school [noise] and i think there's a value to having linguistics grad students have to create a language or two and then explain themselves and justify themselves before their classmates [noise] and uh faculty you just you just get a better feel for [noise] weird little oddities i think when you have to construct a sensible system on your own that's not what she's doing it for her her goals were much more modest modest [noise] but ah i can dream [laughter] she was talking more about teaching various linguistic concepts [laughter] by having them construct languages and i don't know it's somewhat similar to what you're talking about is it gives people some hands on experience other than analyzing existing languages yeah i'd <unk> i'd have to say like <unk> like language and you know <unk> that the way you know something like <unk> <unk> <unk> then look at it that makes [noise] right yeah no absolutely absolutely yeah well anyway i just wanted to recommend that as our to our listeners i kind of see this <unk> <unk> to the <unk> they have all our fault the interviews that we would put in as special episode [laughter] [noise] i think with that we can just roll into our our ah first topic here this is a topic that was brought up actually with and email i think that we wrote read on the previous episode uh about work creation i don't remember if it was so fiber episodes six but we read this guy's email but it doesn't matter yeah but anyway there's one thing that you need if you want to create a language that will be useful at all and that's where you need lots of about three thousand if you want to have actual conversations i don't know i haven't ever gotten to that point but uh so we're gonna talk about some techniques you can use to build your lexical on so i had some ideas about how the language and the war formation the languages structure and its history go along with we're <unk> we're creation and what tools you can use for this sort of um so i'll throw it to be <unk> now did you make words for it you know i mean stuff i'm not <unk> i don't even <unk> like <unk> [noise] i mean i don't like it i just make stuff um [noise] um i think i did mention that wage tonight and they charge people like teen [noise] but i don't think <unk> [noise] i guess if <unk> if i just don't know how they're including like frequency or a um like <unk> [laughter] and um i like to <unk> times have like kind of a running <unk> like uh one <unk> i <unk> i can't just like a headache me some towns go with other things kind of like you know [noise] uh and now is kind of hard to say hey i'm now in saying or an specified things and it's saying frequent shelley hi didn't use are generally i probably wouldn't even an ad in the snow allergy crop up too much interesting <unk> there are the better word generator programs let you attach frequencies to sound if you don't want them all evenly occurring you can go in and and weights them as you see fit <unk> another trick i do if a system isn't smart enough to do that is just put every letter in multiple times [laughter] and have some in more often than others is is a good way it seems like everyone who knows a little computer programming and who invented languages eventually <unk> [noise] so if if you don't feel like doing you know random distribution statistically a good way to fake it is you know put it in essence five times the <unk> two times and you know whatever [laughter] such a crap latest at um [laughter] no i mean it wakes obviously but it's it's like it's the ugly rated there is a little ugly [noise] i've never actually use the random word generator i'm like me i like to do it by <unk> the problem with doing it i feel i think might be just the fact that you know i had times at least with my first language where i was just making up words making up a list of words and i just like read into a rut of i may just like twenty k. words in a row right so exactly why i like we're generators of course i wrote my own [laughter] you know it you know language no one loves so i don't have to worry about ever explaining how that works to anyone but i notice myself doing exactly this over using certain zones which is fine right you don't expect all of your phonemes to occur with equal frequency [noise] but just to to keep myself from falling into that habit all right in the rules with all their complexity generate a few thousand words and just dumped him on the to file and then i go and pick what i want so it's not like i'm assigning meetings to words [noise] i'm just producing a large set and i can randomly yanked some things out and either tweak them if if i don't think they're quite right or take them as is as i need words that's just rewards though i love <unk> fictional morphology so well <unk> <unk> but it has <unk> okay so it's actually a really limited <unk> um <unk> <unk> after a while [laughter] i like that idea my whole idea is usually been that i will create words as i need them and basically my idea is part of how i construct languages i was i would translate stuff ah as i need a word don't make it as i need a structural may get and for my uh uh as far as <unk> are concerned my first language has a lot more derivation <unk> the the second one i don't know what that means necessarily bother to language is the second the first one is more isolated second one so that might have something to do what do you still invent your language this way 'cause i'm always much more systematic it'll be like today i'm going to invent all possible relative claws structures and that sort of thing usually takes me a months to decide on something about relative clauses just make me do research but if i only created that part of the language which i needed to translate for [noise] i would have all the structures and vocabulary for the babble story and a few <unk> and that's it well yeah anyway cancellation access i say [noise] yeah yeah well there's that [laughter] [noise] well yeah i i don't go directly about anything i tend to chance say things and then every once in a while like lately i think that's when i was like <unk> i don't have any <unk> i need to do that shit so i did that but i've never been like i need to do this now like [noise] like when i want to say something [noise] yeah i never did actually do a big chunk of syntax structures at one i would create all my case markers at one or something like that or create verb paradigm all at once that's one thing i did or i i did all the verb her at times including uh examples of irregular forms and such yeah my normal habit is to go completely bunkers was derivation morphology [laughter] and and that might have come from being exposed to a spur onto it a tender age [noise] which you know has this magnificent system of of <unk> systems who can concoct words on the fly but i have a sitting next to me here uh <unk> west greenland dick and all of the eskimo languages have these huge astonishing derivation of systems that really have some magnificent things like there's a special derivation it lets you produced a verb that says something smells like something else yeah that's very interesting stuff i am often it's fired by derivation processes and other languages ah the verb down compounds in yup huh are very loosely based on a verb now compound structure in spanish you might know from the word <unk> [noise] yeah <unk> <unk> [laughter] yeah where you take it's basically the the root form of the were and then i and then now plural of the now which i didn't do it today exactly that way but that's what <unk> what i did was i had a special verb form that i used in relative clauses that i put first and then now because you <unk> have morals or gender or anything so that's interesting you use <unk> uh a relative claws structure to produce no vocabulary it actually is parallel to the their relative claws structure so the first word i created this way <unk> so yeah laugh it <unk> me to speak [noise] and so uh this is seems a little new <unk> to me when i think about this now but the relatives clause or the ending is uh well i will stop towards <unk> yeah <unk> and then i add hot job means alien and red is a relative clause is it sort of read says which speaks to aliens but the meaning of it as a word is it's a specific cast of the yeah the ah <unk> clone that through some technical means have the ability to shape shift and they are used to communicate with alien beings [laughter] sure there are so that's uh that was a little bit of a tangent i couldn't get outside on an checking and it was just gonna say the the boundary between <unk> morphology and grammatical orson tactic morphology depending on the language can be quite sin [noise] i mean <unk> has this wonderful [noise] system pretty much any phrase can be turned into a known and that's the normal way to bring new vocabulary into the language my all time favorite word <unk> which is made up of a phrase is <unk> which means one spins around with it literally what it means is cell phone [noise] trust me [laughter] so i've heard too explanations for that either the phones in the homeland had horrible reception first or you know teenagers spinning running their phones and not paying attention but this is the normal way <unk> brings new words into the language but it also that same process is used all the time for medical features that's interesting i've seen uh somewhat similar thing in chinese little more restraint but like even with simple vocabulary you will hear people use bull hall as a word bull how is literally just not good and it you can analyze it also as a whole meaning not and hauled me any good but it seems to be analyzed as a single word a lot of the time yeah the isolating languages have a harder time of concocting vocabulary cause you typically have to produce these phrase things yeah and sometimes they can be analyzed multiple ways that sort of yeah although you may have you been in an isolating language you might have words that are owned that become essentially only used for producing these these phrases so [laughter] so you're uh william you you have your actual were generate on line or is it something you only use personally i only use it personally because it's written into programming language that will get me hate mail so i i just don't [laughter] i i'm just not interested i'm just not interested in listening to people wind about me using uh common list so i just use my tools myself okay [laughter] but there there are some that are on line that are more sophisticated um i can't remember the u._r._l. but <unk> there is one that will let you put weights on phonemes as you can come up with some pretty <unk> sophisticated i'm sound descriptions [laughter] i i actually like the exercise of putting everything into a word generator because it makes me certain that i have described syllable rules correctly [laughter] nonsense comes out of the tool assuming i understand the tool um then then i realize i've done something wrong i think maybe when i start constructing i have several languages or <unk> or a book uh i may go with the random generator out because i'll be creating like two or three languages and i just don't want to have to keep in my head all those different ah <unk> <unk> i think <unk> i don't enjoy it that <unk> because [noise] i'm not a good at <unk> at all i i fish they do it right the way that might go back and pick <unk> it's make kind of pipe <unk> ridiculous oh sure [laughter] i'm typically i typically have a pretty good idea what the language is going to look like before i move onto dumping things into oh i <unk> i just don't know how to put that down [noise] think had an idea what i wanted to sound like but that doesn't mean i'm conscious say raz that [laughter] <unk> yeah sure i mean even with the generator i still produced a big chunk of vocabulary just yeah i think that like <unk> and they died and he was a couple of months <unk> and you know it's kind of annoying <unk> <unk> there's some nice <unk> oh <unk> [noise] um i was going through a couple of <unk> see now her one day i could go and look for what <unk> yeah [laughter] um but what can also kind of be a good thing and at that thing <unk> i mean it depends on how you take it depends on what the languages for and what the word list as well because if you have a very general word less ethics water would apply to a lot of things but yeah but like i've created languages or you know ask girl spirits and before space aliens so there when i look at work less a lot of times about half the words are irrelevant yeah i mean you always have to take that little bit of consideration what last i checked my i think [noise] people don't like <unk> you know <unk> just ended up breaking maxine up they have and then that's annoying but um when i started someone went to one of the first language <unk> huge for cabs for like twenty thousand <unk> she sent me like the weather steve hey <unk> you know it was actually helpful even if i didn't used to walk when it's like the way <unk> maybe i didn't you hate [noise] but it still gave me a place to think about like <unk> and what what they call them <unk> oh dallas [noise] um [noise] [noise] [noise] like where they can and stuff like you know i <unk> it's raining just 'cause it's not an exciting tank but that doesn't mean shouldn't <unk> terrain or how it would go that that's why i like <unk> a nice place to stay close you don't want to go <unk> like by lighter right ah well um translating <unk> what's raining is interesting from a <unk> well yes not necessarily because of a word although you know you might need a word for rain probably most places i've done a half or what for rain i think oh well you were saying that um i was but for not entirely what i was going to say hi um i'm going to say it's raining and even now [laughter] [laughter] oh i was gonna say i these days the creation of words you something i spend a lot of time thinking about mostly derivation will techniques [laughter] because because i do know i really do not wants to keep relaxing english for these days i'm likely to relax both english in ancient greek or or the the two danger zones for me you know why it's dangerous not so much <unk> spanish sure <unk> i'm trying to think of <unk> and all just coming out to save my spanish and like i don't want <unk> i want something new and i'm trying to think of like something that's <unk> and i'm like oh the <unk> [noise] i mean one of the things i've been having fun with in in the current set of sketches leading up to a language is this idea of what a known as instrumental <unk> and they pop up in a bunch of language native language is of the western united states where are you have verbs describing actions that are very vague like knock over where are you an or more entertaining you have mostly in transiting verbs meaning things like fall over [noise] but then when you put one of these instrumental prefix is on you could uh concrete transit of meaning like if you use the foot instrumental prefix that it means to knock pick something up with a foot if [laughter] if you use the wind or ah mouth <unk> extend it means to knock something over with you know by blow something over [noise] um [noise] and these languages may have a very small number of instrumental <unk> with the obvious things like hand didn't feet and and other may have dozens of them and one of my favorites and i <unk> i think it's in <unk> they have a special instrumental <unk> for [noise] knocking things for for i'm not knocking things that were for doing something with a big bulky object [laughter] which includes doing something with your butt so there's you know they've special verbs for wrestling actions by using the appropriate you know the appropriate instrumental prefix oh that's great yeah no it's it's it's it's a surprisingly powerful tool and then if you're you're feeling superior warfare and you can put funky you know concoct instruments did know natural language has you know like [noise] do something with your mind [noise] george your your astro beings could maybe have you know do something with who knows what [noise] whatever spiritual energy floats around so they're they're interesting possibilities there that's very interesting at first i was when you were describing that i was thinking of chinese been that sometimes that will have a general motion permit and then add more specific motion her but it's actually a lot different from right this is not this is this is this is not that so one language that has a bunch of these it's called <unk> k. a. s. h. a. y. a. and if you do a google on <unk> language it will take you straight to the beauty article which i was the whole list [noise] so we've got things like bomb which means to do with the <unk> or by speech it's saw that means with the rear end a massive or bulky object or a knife that's pretty <unk> that's a funny mixed these things get moved on interesting the prefix mu with a quick movement heat light mind or emotions so and then there's by blowing and buy pushing and pulling all these it's it's kind of a specialization of <unk> uh i like i said is it huh yeah between forces what the teeth by <unk> eating yeah so it's uh you i guess it's usually used to refer to with the <unk> what is any time you have to think smashing together over the object right right well that's appears to be the case of <unk> in in some languages you may have a large set of or groups which never appear alone will always have some instrumental prefix rather so it's just [noise] you know spending some time on <unk> looking at grammar is of languages you've never heard of before can often <unk> give you interesting ideas for for word creation yeah i can always these things if you'd invented by yourself you'd be a high done something new [laughter] but we all know the rule you happened [laughter] so <unk> more so that happened to me the other day too what'd you do i'm kinda <unk> continue now maybe i'll and then by the end today right while you think i want it to to bring up one more of this great west greenland except fix [noise] so we all have heard the horrible story about the missile mythical forty words for snow or however many it is an eskimo [noise] then it's of course nonsense but they do have a verb creating suffix which specifically means to freeze in one's <unk> [noise] [laughter] so you still fix that to knows that you've got to <unk> meaning that you're freezing in your nose and and so forth i think that says more than than the mythical words for snow yes that sort of says the same thing as the medical work for snow without making stuff up right [laughter] they'll really could you really find that made the sticks his first snow i mean english has like four or five actually ski or they can come up with as many words they're not separate lexical items but yeah but i could think i could believe anybody could come up with <unk> <unk> <unk> because everyone speaks everyone imagine they're an expert on language [laughter] certainly true of ah reporters oh god so yeah that's the problem with the forty <unk> it's it's it's like the italian saying you know if it's not true it's well constructed you know it's a good story [laughter] the two people are just too tempted by that [noise] yeah uh but uh survey she'll morphology <unk> neat actually real quick what techniques the guys like more depending on you know i mean even basic stuff that you have an english <unk> burbank <unk> pounding that kind of thing and it also you know the phrase is taken his words and all that do you guys <unk> one of those more than you or is it actually really <unk> i definitely don't know much about it i just kind of makes us up like you mentioned taking the thing i can some spanish and i was a a much kept idea spanish finding out compound [laughter] um but i don't have much <unk> um like even like <unk> which uh for like english yeah i like <unk> <unk> okay i will be a chef on my time and um [laughter] but um even that i liked that one became <unk> any <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> they literally died so i like when you <unk> like that even if it's not it's something that's that's really interesting actually so artists and [noise] the art whatever that would appear would look the same yeah <unk> that's interesting i just have a number of different surveys so as i said you all talk has more derivation than than i <unk> and actually some of the derivation and i <unk> i took one room and different now the clinton or different uh now classes basically so i have a roof all and i'm trying to think basically one with the the the fine uh gender at me and the <unk> with a a a moral gender me is like a a human or a moral but that's one of those weird things about that language and that probably that occurs in languages with gender i wouldn't <unk> i would recommend doing it very often 'cause it usually tends to be out rare [noise] um [noise] if you have a complicated gender system like most of the ban two languages and it's a pretty standard trick like so swahili does this sort of thing and just walk and he's very restrained it only has a genders some of the others you know they get you get up to twenty or something [noise] have this does it have this is a really great resource for example the demeanor you too involves moving something two separate class in most of those languages oh that's interesting yeah [noise] well anyway i think we need to move along a little bit here uh so what where would we send people to go what she eats to learn about how to come up with better generational systems should send me then [laughter] have any resources to like to yeah we can concoct a few and we can put those along when the <unk> this is posted yeah okay yeah send me bird just lift some on the dog and i will put some resources so we're gonna have some resources on the show now for this but keep in mind a bunch of the different things we talked about like about different ways either derivation will morphology or with uh ways to generate different routes to think about this uh <unk> and especially think about your tricks for turning verbs <unk> might be able to do double duty as sin tax so in classical arabic in addition to memorizing the very complicated verbs system for every <unk> you have to memorize a massage [laughter] which is the down and it can be either used as a plane verbal known but it is also a requirement for certain kinds of sport nation so i think i did i didn't have any <unk> oh <unk> now [laughter] but it's it's what is our rule right [laughter] that's almost every and before if you would invented it and it's horrible by humans that exist <unk> well yeah but i never knew that shit like something significant <unk> no i agree with that that's good to <unk> i have a mind thing to remember that when we're thinking about derivation unknown is a role a word plays in a sentence more than it is some fundamental category we're used to think of now i'm just being you know <unk> thing but not really in a lot of languages [noise] some sort of mounting process is required because you just have to have a non at certain places you mean oh agent <unk> by noun freely [noise] sure but don't they take things like case marketing and so forth yeah but that's that's pretty much don't make it <unk> that's enough as it kind of like i know english has a zero more conversion yeah pretty much like gang ration matt ten yeah not that anyone would say and now it's like <unk> [laughter] i mean uh people sort of derogatory refer to like to watch like english but every once in a while one teacher or another major that's like english is not really a death [laughter] maybe next time i'll do some way and help of negative [laughter] i'll never do that it's <unk> [laughter] not that uncommon though it turns out to be surprisingly common it's not just english and and and and it's not just finished there there are plenty of language to do something like <unk> [laughter] <unk> [laughter] when i when i started to understand what that exactly was i thought it was kinda weird [noise] yeah but anyway [noise] why don't we move onto our um our future conflict with today we're talking about <unk> uh <unk> was created by phone yeah like he sat through like lots of the um quote unquote say more with less it has only one hundred twenty three broadly define words [noise] which are combine to come to more specific meanings many common phrases reflect he <unk> he says personal life philosophy and she believes that language can help people change their thinking and be more honest with each other and uh let's say at the first one i actually looked at the website for the language i was considering moving it my <unk> [laughter] but until william actually pulled me no look at her vocabulary and think of chinese measure words you might get a little sense of this from our first episode but the chinese met her words are they can also be used as regular now but they have very general meanings like wall thing or like short ah stick like thing or stuff like that and i think the way her her actual words work is very similar to that right right the thing that struck me most <unk> is how many of these root word this happened to cover a frame that we'd neatly fit into one class a fire whether it's uh uh <unk> word in chinese or the class <unk> terms of you know not alone in so many other native languages so for example she's got a word <unk> which means whole loop window door or office so that's a common one um we have <unk> which is lined up family rope thread string core chain on the one hand but she also has where is it [noise] there's a word for long thing rigid things but i can't find it now so <unk> uh a rod stick longer point do you think all of these and and you know other ones plants and and so forth i think uh somebody who studies friday in psychology might ah take something from both of us just pointed out stuff that means long then thing or something similar to that no no there's there's still common there just to all over the planet and it's an obvious shape in nature so i don't think we need to to read anything weird into that [laughter] but she also has just said somebody you'll be <unk> about it i'm sure i'm sure they will let's see if they can read something into the wide spate wide covering flat titans that's another one very common yeah containers another common one so i i think deep thinking went into the word choice these these primitive because so much vocabulary can be dumped into commute dumped into these things yeah and that's very interesting that she just basically most of her words are very broad categories and then she can make more specific or more complex things by combining worse but is that necessarily much different from what she's combining the words is that much different from just making a law compound words i don't think it is i mean there's this weird issue right so she has this philosophy behind the language which drives me bonkers [noise] book [laughter] one of the things that she her idea is [noise] and she said that he was because of this as a speaker you rely a lot on context to interpret what is going on you become connected to the world around you [noise] here's the problem everyone's communicating until keep mono is doing so over the internet [laughter] right or most of them i mean i'm sure there are some people who've met and and spoken in person but for the most part the the life of people and it takes place on line and there's no context there except some conversational context so people find themselves producing the monsters words huge chains of roots to try to produce um intelligent conversation we all know the challenges of communicating with our whole language is right on line with this language that obviously is going to be heavily contacts that it's gonna be even worse <unk> you've been kind of a quiet since we started talking about this do you have any thoughts opinions on this well i have opinions um ties i don't like it [noise] <unk> um [noise] trying to think of <unk> kind of annoying me about it [laughter] well <unk> actually because i don't know that much thought <unk> because they're so common like the idea behind them that i share like that just natural <unk> it's not like cat highest i think to come up with and i just think oh i <unk> i don't know i don't know what else to add other then why they already had [laughter] [noise] well [noise] well i <unk> i honestly i recommend it as for people who are thinking about new ways to come up with words they might find interesting value in they'll keep on uh not as something to do not to reproduce it not come up with you on <unk> on and i've recommended eh something not to do no [laughter] well i i don't like the logic behind it but i record this is <unk> just about every language you look at there's some really interesting things going on here careful decisions were made in terms of how on earth do make grammar work with this i mean you can sell you're not happy <unk> every once in a winds up from undergrad something fun [laughter] as a maid in their minimalist slang and then i'm like oh god not again and inflection actually after a while i get kind of like nah nah nah [laughter] [noise] well this is better than uh who he was uh i don't know that here [laughter] i'm not fond of the philosophy behind that they you can look at the <unk> look at the various very class of fryer like we're there's stuff like there's something that means like a quote unquote non cute rep pile or something there's just these general terms that could be useful for you to create some words like that i would suggest if you're actually creating something you want to use you also have more specific words or something if it's a realistic language it'll have some more specific worse than this because oh no no no i don't mean take this vocabulary don't take the the roots that i mean if you go to the <unk> they'll have page after page of seem addict vocabulary it's produced by compounding these things look at that look at how nice [laughter] i think <unk> sometimes when i like to <unk> um [noise] just kind of like middle hidden link between things that i like fanatic <unk> even if it's ten <unk> federal like a lot of <unk> <unk> <unk> a lot of um just little things that are like some things that i kind of <unk> like <unk> [noise] now kind a steam some land but not quite the same things you could do that with a lot of my general way which would be in <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> not much to go on [noise] hurt overall system caught my eye even though it looks like it would be <unk> difficult to use because basically she has like four different numbers and you add them together by repeating the word well right she's <unk> that's part of the philosophy you should never need to say these things yes ah i don't really agree with well right we we both agree none of us agree with the philosophy behind this but if you're going to do that makes me sad [laughter] [laughter] well i think i think bianca needs to create a language that has everything she hates [laughter] make it make a minimum of like <unk> with that has like three thousand or cops nuts and the negative has very restricted electric on uh [noise] i like small house but what <unk> well i don't know how <unk> how that is true isn't it yeah if i made like hold rang and i'd have to be like it'd be like <unk> based on for five or some crap [laughter] and then it'd be like ten way and now it would be <unk> crap [laughter] basics number based five numbers that's interesting yeah yeah it looks like they <unk> they don't have that i don't know what i don't know if you can really put it down to a new rule base the actual numbers yeah what have is you have a five twenty five hundred i guess that's kinda fun time yeah one to five twenty and one hundred and the way that you get other numbers is you add them together by repeating so that yeah <unk> to one or two one is the words and then forty five is would they would they look up which is twenty twenty five so it's a little bit i guess you might try to put it down as based twenty [noise] i mean you can put it <unk> it's <unk> it's not really like a place value system it's totally weird thing she decided um <unk> i'm too lazy to achieve anything <unk> add that nowadays [laughter] [laughter] no but i i i always that for me coming up with numbers is always the most hated task given until you didn't language [noise] um [noise] what's weird about this as well right we're not why should we even talk about what's natural in a natural in this language it is weird to have this extremely difficult number system which presumably you're discouraged from using and we i run into number system [noise] i would i create number system i have a tendency to go with these super simple chinese food shit sure [noise] [noise] yeah i don't care enough to go into that <unk> you know unless i stand on my phone <unk> may not my [laughter] yeah one day you'll pick a language [laughter] [laughter] yeah i i don't know i think it's kind of agreed none of us are particularly like the [noise] language but like i say nine things things and if it in excess but i'm having a hard time finding yeah this is it it's it's another example of current trends and and fads in <unk> which is either heavily naturalistic or heavily heavily not [laughter] right there <unk> there are plenty plenty of people learning <unk> and trying to use <unk> and writing articles about how to come up with useful vocabulary <unk> which is funny sense that must must fight somewhat against her purpose recreating the language [laughter] well that's how i don't like it and so i guess you want to use it you have like all at once they're in such a way to make it you're not itself [noise] right right which just counterproductive yeah this episode is running a little long already [laughter] uh i'm going to take the comment i was on the <unk> at the end and put it onto the next episode okay i think this was <unk> what kind of mine yeah so i'm going to sort of end it here and but we had a nice discussion eh well about work formation end they'll keep on that too and you gotta our list you guys listening you could take get that get some resources on work formation uh in art show notes and also the link to that to keep on that site if you want to look at it but last thing is i just mainly want the say they'll keep on a a language with a hundred and twenty three words really [laughter] words arts humor you don't have to live with them that but [laughter] [noise] but anyway well see you thank you for listening to con lying or you can find all our episodes and show notes as well subscribe to r. i. too or are assess speeds through con larry dot <unk> dot org you can also like our face book paid or follow at con library on porter if you would like to contact us with corrections comets questions or suggestions or even suggest your own caught lying is a feature please a male <unk> uh gee male dot com or call in to our new voicemail lard three zero four eight seven three six to eight one we also have a handy suggestions warm on our side or the music was created by then there but they uh

Tags

  1. Conlangery Podcast
  2. Podcast
  3. conlang
  4. language
  5. lexicon
  6. linguistics
  7. Toki Pona

Conlangery Podcast/Conlangery 07 Word Creation (last edited 2017-09-05 22:44:48 by TranscriBot)