Conlangery #10: Organization, Computers, and Conlanging

Conlangery #10: Organization, Computers, and Conlanging

Published: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:00:16 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 i'm not a man uh mm mm mm mm mm <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> people in the fridge yours quarterly currently in maryland for about two big lip i believe it's beyond american hello bill in wisconsin for the foreseeable future is william hello so yeah you're a little bit yeah sometimes it's about africa yeah grab blame of stupid papal i'd i finally got my lisa so hopefully i'll be moving in a couple of weeks but not just yet so you're not ready to me [laughter] [noise] well with the power of <unk> we should be able to yeah yeah hopefully you'll still be on here but we'll we'll work that out when it's <unk> yeah i mean i'm a night out so probably still be awake yeah oh actually i don't like sundays i think the only way she only had it for a late on a sunday was because i work um well do you work on sundays actually not unless something is go terribly wrong he's on a call that's right every other every third week i'm on call but apart from that for now that should be fine but the the issue is is i might end up getting a job that i wouldn't be working on weekends but uh that's well god that comes out yeah <unk> that's about to come up it's just something it's a possibility so if i should talk about pretty much all drinks myself so bianca i saw you uh on on google plus i think swearing about your verbs what verbs were making you sad um china may and their language and sad and it's like has [noise] and now how <unk> how the outline and i'm trying to fit in actual sounds for the aspect fish and we'll just sound like so many and night or that [laughter] so if there was actually very close we all <unk> and i we were talking about this we're both using the the person markers that we're in <unk> oh okay [laughter] yeah so i can figure finding aspect search for those might be a little difficult sometimes um there's all sorts of <unk> and it could just be me trying to make it a little too crazy right [noise] yeah well the the other languages to look at that use those um inverse systems with your your person working for the <unk> in languages so things like um [noise] uh <unk> way creamy uh black foot rap the whole all of those you can find reasonably good documentation online those have good explanations [noise] on those systems if nothing else that we can <unk> articles will will tell you where to go [noise] problematic [laughter] i'm trying to somehow make that biking bass stuff oh dear [laughter] so yeah she's trying to make verbs from hell i try to pull some of the stuff out of i don't know <unk> now they will only be pen yeah only ten <unk> that much but it's still right well that's very best <unk> [laughter] so you just have to memorize a joke at church and the rest of your verbs are just didn't finish yes mhm i've been trying chat will kill you [laughter] no [laughter] no anyone who hasn't seemed a novel hotel charts after church after church [laughter] i'm pretty sure that bass chat i looked at it now like what the hell is [laughter] but i do uh it's it's it's a common source of inspiration for language adventures i think it's nice and clean kid named mind like church says something t. actually last so what's that kind of name as kind of expecting him now that he's not pointing [laughter] i <unk> met a girl at college who she was south african and she spoke also which i probably murdered that click somehow he does pretty good though [laughter] [noise] but uh i tried to get her to teach me but it didn't work [laughter] it's a tough language yes languages my financing it tends to teach him anyway our topic for today actually has nothing to do with teaching language it might have something to do with charts but you know we're talking about organization computers in <unk> now basically what what do you mean by that is you know how do you organize all the information about your conway and if you use electronic means to store that information which a lot of us here i think are going to be using different computer programs and such do that what applications are out there that and what systems are out there that you can use to use that had what systems do we wish we were out there that we [laughter] i always felt like i go fast but i mean um i usually have two main document so my language is having a grandma and i'm like <unk> and actually one program to do both of them and it's kneel office which basically like open up a mac and now they have an open out the mac as well but now that i um [noise] and [noise] it does contain quite a lot of <unk> i'm a fan of chats and tables [noise] yeah i know see recently i've been doing all my con laying stop keeping the information at least organized with uh google ducks and that way it has about as much stuff as you had with word or with uh the open office stuff but i can switch from my desk top two my laptop without having to take out some drive or anything yeah that is one of the nice things that <unk> the one thing i don't like about it if if the table don't give you any lay around the numbers option that i like because i'm apparently the queen of making cable [laughter] that's true but it'll give you a simple table for stuff and then if you want to make it pretty later you couldn't afford it to another program i wanna pretty now yeah anyway i see [laughter] william i kinda save you for less because you i mean i have more to say but i think i <unk> i want to throw to you because you being in computers you might have some stuff that we overlook sure almost all of my languages start out their life really old fashioned i have a new book which i just put ideas in so if i come up with the funky sound system one day i'll you know make some notes on a page and then put it away and then if i can come back and look at things and i might get up to about ten pages of paper with lots of things crossed out <unk> arrows and noodles and so forth [noise] before i finally ready to do something more permanent [noise] and it used to be that i would go straight to h._t._m._l. i'd go straight to web pages for things and certainly my biggest language vibe or appears that way but these days i'm much more likely to you go straight into attack which is a pretty high powered response to the problem but it does automatic indexing for you an automatic crust link referencing and spit settled lovely p._d._f. than it has nice <unk> all of that so so that's how i go this these days there's it's definitely a learning curve it start <unk> yeah <unk> i have uh we'll let tech actually do like well it's sort your dictionary <unk> oh no you have to put them in by yourself in the correct order right and if <unk> i think it's worth mentioning now that attack it is actually started late tax yes l. a. t. e. x. yeah and there's some odd capitalization like because it's supposed to be <unk> supposed to look like greek [noise] um but one of the side effects is it's easier for me to deal with it because these days i mean again like bianca for <unk> for many of my languages it they don't get terribly far i'm going to have a grammar vocabulary but these days i'm likely to add at least two more sections to any document for language i invent one of them is an examples section which has sort of just examples of ideas i have for the grammar um that aren't ruled into the grammar [noise] um and the second i'm really likely to have a separate section on pragmatic <unk> and <unk> and it's been meaning to add a fictional type <unk> that's one of the things that they're not <unk> <unk> [noise] it's a pain and you have to get pretty <unk> it's true but if you <unk> if you've met fifteen words you can't have a very complicated discourse [laughter] situation you can't i think i'd i had a couple of [noise] stuff like just because it's <unk> related to the <unk> anyway i'm playing um i remember asking your backpack because i was in <unk> fell because i think one of <unk> retired after taste i had a dictionary mount fan i was just sell them at the fact that like the spreadsheet cloud couldn't have a lot of information i won anything [laughter] it just got too much now i had to redo it and it's like eight hundred would actually still mad about it ooh ah i've managed to write that destination say <unk> hell oh get better [laughter] wow oh <unk> [noise] see this is why again this is another of the things to push me a little bit towards low tech and certainly i would never use a spreadsheet for <unk> for me just because it depending on the nature of the language you have no idea how many things you're gonna need to stay in a in a lexical entry you might need to explain the plural you might need to explain strange case worms you might want to have examples hopefully you don't have one were definitions for all the river caffeine larry so you've got you know the three quarter things that are word means that don't map on <unk> english semantics or [noise] so there's there's all sorts of weird is that going on there that that makes writing a dictionary uh good dictionary very difficult yeah i mean when you first started signed that just have a lasting now hand in hand i mean that's not gonna get too crazy but um yeah i got <unk> like <unk> <unk> <unk> different cases any would mean something else and it's not like a <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> [noise] yeah [laughter] [laughter] right so that's hard to organize and a spreadsheet for all of the other benefits that come with using a spreadsheet that are good things to spanish which is probably why it's way east died and then end up looking for something now [laughter] now have either of you used dedicated dictionary database programs because i have used i started out actually using lexie pro and then i moved to linguist tool box i'm not currently using either of them right now but <unk> seemed to me it took a little bit of work to actually figure out how to make the increase work right it that has its it's funky markup that you have to produce directly right yeah yeah there there aren't any really great tools to turn that into a nicely typeset dictionary i mean i suppose you could write one um maybe <unk> well i could [laughter] i think you can produce i think that it has and hey document output uh but that will give you a fermented format a dictionary increase but um does it speak union code [noise] uh [laughter] <unk> oh no has their own <unk> so what should yeah i would expect they've been yeah so you should mention that is i forget his this tool free yeah yeah i used to run to the language right it's it's put up by the summer institute of linguistics which is a big [noise] big missionary work organization actually but they've got a lot of really solid computing tools and resources for linguistics especially let's commonly studied language is the problem with the [noise] the shoe box format is because it's this funky markup it's really easy to produce a dictionary that it's inconsistent with itself mhm 'cause everyone will come up with their own citation style and by everyone i mean you one year later for anyone who works on a second language that long and i mean if if someone like me <unk> [laughter] you know <unk> there's gonna be another landing 'cause at the beginning figuring out what the hell you're doing right [laughter] and i tried like say <unk> too and i like to not say <unk> let me see crow has gotten really buggy at least when i quit using it it was way too buggies you i felt like there is trying to force me to <unk> <unk> <unk> thing and i couldn't put an example and a nice way and and getting to handle and sure hook last thing i think is also a problem with uh tool box i think you can put multiple words for a single and <unk> but it's it's a little weird somehow i mean especially when i'm doing my <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> too so it's like it doesn't ruin happy it means happiness but no one's gonna look for happiness because it's a weird way the century [noise] hell anyway oh sure yeah i mean everything i do is written in the assumption of documentation yeah i do see a nice tool to make it easy for some random <unk> till they're my language is not usually high on my list of priorities just because it's not likely to happen very often [laughter] well i've had a couple of people ask me a lesson so i actually have a nice thing was lessons that not [noise] and i kind of want to have a lex comic i read it 'cause it's not all you're going to be able to face stuff like my cat is here because otherwise they come up with them when i'm writing stuff um but i do like the idea i mean even for myself let's say five years later i come back and i'm like hey this is <unk> [noise] and mind going out man but to look up happy now instead of happy probably not [laughter] question now right [laughter] although my cat is <unk> is a great sentence i i was just thinking about textbooks sentences and how weird [laughter] [noise] i had to do this provide your when your early trying to write it up a prime or on a language you don't have any vocabulary you produce just the stupidest sentences [laughter] so i i i got recently uh uh a new text book for classical <unk> came out and one of the example sentences was <unk> in <unk> which means the fish do not sing [laughter] oh god you should go plus i just <unk> i'm good [laughter] unless there is some aspect of as a tech religion that i've missed out on [laughter] i think they say remind her and her horrible <unk> [laughter] when i first started renting <unk> <unk> um the <unk> and <unk> and all that type thing and i believe my friend sent it until i sang <unk> [laughter] i'm not <unk> right so unfortunately i try and get federal cab which just ends up being like my cat is cute cat is fluffy [noise] well you know you do have to start small currently what i've been doing is taking somebody else's pet sentences that they created than translated gum and they're kind of dumb it's like the sun is shining that kind of one from <unk> ah yeah that's a good <unk> actually really good they passed a lot of nice grammatical things yeah and that's what i use them for it [laughter] you know the content of 'em is not necessarily is is kind of but now but you know what i'm doing is testing syntax and figuring out how exactly my leg would handle a word like the sun will try and tomorrow stuff like that right and and that's these days but i use my example section for our lives like you'd love fish um i didn't mention i have offer that <unk> i just kind of what i used to pass my language i usually just grill expand it by on translating thing so i basically everyone <unk> classes classes classes classes sentences translated [laughter] yeah [noise] do you do lots of translation challenges i used to when i started i haven't done <unk> i've been trying to work on my grandma it's at <unk> laugh point that i don't need to translate bailed anymore mhm um dallas and i <unk> that's basically how i do that but um i used to hear it see i have left to say on this topic because [laughter] guys are more organized than me [laughter] yeah yeah organization it will save your problems and the and i think people just beginning [noise] sort of <unk> you know throw things together and after a while you'll you'll settled into pattern of laying up the grammar laying up in the cafeteria in a way that is to <unk> to you [noise] um one of those things if if you were to go look at a bunch of my sketches you'd find a lot of the same sentences over and over again [noise] mostly because if i'm in the process of inventing a grammar i need to focus on that i usually keep too pretty controlled vocabulary and frankly i find it easier to read new grammar <unk> [laughter] if you're not introducing you know gigantic complex sentences you know from a religious book in your con world yeah something new every time they called to follow huh where are you moving up box no i'm most of my microphone for you and him eating [laughter] okay well <unk> let's go um no i was gonna say along the lines i mean i know this isn't about lessons but i see people when they trying to <unk> <unk> they want to start with like the most complicated thing and i'm like no no you start small little bit of hell cab and then just failed and repeat repeat it a lot because people <unk> <unk> and then slowly <unk> start out with hello how are you [noise] you know or near hall right found them or whatever you're equivalent is [noise] you know which is probably the last thing you actually developing a hotline [laughter] go right to lessons yeah it's it's been a that's a uh a constant in the not be learning community is for somebody to come along and get really enthusiastic and they wonder <unk> and you know the first thing they explain the entire no <unk> no <unk> no no no no it's rather than to start with i see you [laughter] well right they'll have a few a few nods in that direction so yeah it's it's tough i mean i think riding lessons is the hardest of all of this yeah i mean well <unk> eighteen places i do not start by going to each his eighteen cases i like cycling too most common around which i kinda like now they're kind of like <unk> fairly nice okay i see you are or whatever [noise] you know <unk> you don't need to know everything on line yeah mm yeah [noise] i know that um [noise] young 'cause not a fan of them but there are several free we keep services which also let people documentaries languages quickie [laughter] yeah yeah oh for language <unk> [noise] i feel like they <unk> want to spread out their language malign status keeping a cat there [noise] like they want to have a pay turn down <unk> and [noise] to have more pages tear it looks like mine rather than just keeping it altogether i don't like having <unk> from one thing for now that turn out that have it altogether uh you're a fan of the one page grammar [noise] yeah yeah yeah well i <unk> i'm not one page but i prefer <unk> <unk> yeah yeah hey what you what one p._d._f. that you could look at and have the whole grammar yeah [noise] yeah [laughter] i think if you don't get me gets to begin with the entrance start to fall over but i i think i think with some care and some thought before you go in about organization you can get some some really nice results really nice results in in in a <unk> um the uh kind of project people have a really beautiful style and not just the the markup style but how people right there <unk> there i think is is pretty solid it's harder much harder to do dictionary that way people won't do it but it it's tedious beyond belief ah connor though we should much <unk> uh is multiple languages yes so that's probably more in tune the <unk> with the with the style because you have a paid for each language and a page for their language <unk> each language family and stuff and i also like east coast better when you have a con culture that goes along with it that way you have a two pack rat together rather than grandma and into mile still talk about [laughter] perfect people speak this [noise] fat ten i think it works better but if he just having a <unk> it's kind of like a <unk> [noise] i think we'll see what we're talking about how to organize all of these things but then why would she organizes what is your goal for the language if you're doing it for you know fiction the new one needs to read it but you but if you want to share this with people you need a way to publish it and whether they could be drop box but he's a great way to publish things for people who cannot afford you know they're not lunatics like me that you know regularly look facility and have my own private server [noise] we're all of my dad language stuff from where my <unk> lives mostly your mansion chat box out which is great i used to have box all my stuff or you can just if you have a site that you can just <unk> it's a document shoe and have a link to it that download like um the thing is i think it depends on the person but some people might like um to have a reference grammar so i think that might not the best yeah some people like what i have a reference grammar just for themselves [noise] like er david j. peterson arguably some other people might need to look at both rocky but he he wrote his reference grammar and he uses that to translate line as as far as i've i understood from interviews up yeah i don't think if i got that dream job if every kong linger to work on a language for some you know big hollywood brouhaha [noise] i don't think i would write a grammar any differently for that than i do for myself i wouldn't either i was going to mention i think the process of writing [noise] with the expectation is i think people <unk> whether that's gonna happen at night he's a good way of focusing thought then <unk> <unk> <unk> right i've i've started doing that and i find that i produce better examples 'cause it i've certainly had the experience of going back you know some <unk> nancy sexy little grammar particle is defined in a way that i can't understand where i have an example might have helped me got to remember what it was that he was trying to communicate to be honest i think i really need to start doing that kinda thing more often 'cause [noise] right right now <unk> most of what i do i keep in sort of notes i started to write a wreck grammer for ya but it was it's still in complete and i think it's a little outdated right now right god <unk> god that's so much like you know wait how does that happen that it becomes updated well because i think i'd change some things that are not reflected in at grammar ooh i always too yeah once once i moved from my notebook to whatever electronic format i'm using that is the only place changes get may cause i don't want i don't want the problem you've just describe happening out dating outdated thing for half i'm fat fake it would just be like i got ready to stay in definite <unk> just because i wasn't <unk> it was actually i guess we're done um see some of this has to do with the whole creative process so i do is i don't always right everything down i keep a whole bunch of stuff in my head for a long time before i write down uh-huh how i write right by my novel however it stories it's how how i'd do my languages and it it's a different way to do it i guess but i think i would maybe benefit in the area of languages from going like going to describing more for <unk> and going through step by step and writing session or the grammar and uh yeah yeah it's definitely helped me a lot because um like i mentioned probably like ten a very long time now um when i'm <unk> <unk> i didn't have a plan for a fact that exists and that i might not have been able to um i take <unk> <unk> having read it yeah i don't think i could keep i don't think i could keep a language in my head um in in that way georgia's because i'm reading i mean right now i'm reviewing s. bronco vocabulary i just got my classical not wants textbook i'm always reading ancient greek and i got a funky really cheap grammar of uh of a dying language from mexico i have too much grammar floating through my brain at any given time [noise] to expect to remember [noise] oh yes i needed that that additional particle for a <unk> it's just not going to happen yeah definitely and i thought last that's too much going on around there [laughter] oh i if i don't remember then i'll make something up and i ended up for relaxing stupid <unk> [laughter] my lifetime which is horrible and i have to fix it [laughter] well i don't know but i do think with the languages i'm working on now and i may go back and do it with other languages once i'm done with these tests senses that i've writing right now i'm working on <unk> i will go through and actually start writing a grammar step by step i don't know if i'm getting to to do one language and then the other one or two votes sort of the same time but i'll figure it out it all depended on the assault 'cause it definitely takes a lot of <unk> uh <unk> yeah [laughter] right taking these [laughter] these days i have an outline and that goes uh an organizational outline they'd go straight into any new language the tech documents they might need to be two weeks depending on right i don't need a chapter on adjectives if my language doesn't have adjectives but [noise] there's this basic outline in place and then i go through instilling the parts that i developed 'cause i might decide for some reason because i'm obsessed with relative clauses their relative causes have to come before other kinds of causes right so having that format is well let me let me write knowing that i will not have a complete car no train wreck i will not have a train wreck [laughter] because there's already some structure there waiting to be filled in yeah but i mean like i said i'm older than both of you guys have been at this a long time so i have i've got a system from many years of practice [laughter] i'm probably more con likes that we've done [laughter] i yeah i <unk> now that they had <unk> being organized but i think it had on a crawling ever bunch good idea it's well worth it just to write it down and then go back and organize it late at because you don't want i don't want to stop the creativity to do one thing but at the same time you don't want yeah lack of like <unk> stuffy creativity later on right i i think that's why i typically still start on paper but like i said up to about ten or fifteen pages and once i get beyond that then it's necessary to to go at because by the time i finished you know ten pages of this sketch the character of the language is pretty much set the rest is details [noise] how how much how much research do you do this word of <unk> printing off the topic but i'm curious how much research do you do while you're doing it like thinking up an idea and then going and researching how it actually works or something [laughter] <unk> [laughter] um i i might do a lot um i did one language [noise] where i decided i was gonna use internally headed relative clauses so i spent about i'd <unk> internally headed relative clauses i spent about the next month reading about relative clauses in japanese and <unk> and a few other arab asking languages to try to really make sure i understood those and understood the danger zone in terms of what sort of rep french will hierarchy can actually be supported by central system and so forth but that that's an unusual k. through me i don't normally spend a month researching one feature i er most necessary anything i make up and then i lay it down [noise] i kind of i kind of them like that too i just make it up but i like to have the right term so i'll get on what your yet and more recently i've been using that uh universal archive that you gave me and i'm like well i <unk> i'm just gonna look up the all the universal that have the key word <unk> and take a look at um ah well i have the benefit fast <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> i still make up a lot of the name [laughter] things [noise] and i ended up with a couple of things that i don't know <unk> i keep asking around and then like i don't think i was like okay or make our friend named play right sure [noise] and then you go on the forums and explode it and somebody gives you the real name for it now i'm just i'm on a farm and i like i don't think that <unk> and i was like great like one guy who who <unk> new guinea comes along and says oh yeah three languages they're doing [laughter] um [laughter] i'm like try and what's it called [laughter] yeah yeah [noise] for me <unk> i mean sometimes i produce pretty strange languages which aren't particularly naturalistic necessarily but for me language invention and a love of natural languages and linguistics go together so tightly that i'd probably do more research written things than most people do i'm just basing a hundred percent i'm just too lazy to go out and read [laughter] and i like it but i have all that stuff [noise] sure sure [noise] what right it's like it's like the or could fanatics you can be one of those people who gets the books and learned all about your native or goods becomes not just you know what er drawer but an or could preservation as to you learn about the biology and all of that right it the hobby becomes a gateway to other things or you just grow pretty flowers [noise] well i mean so how'd you learn about it i mean i'd rather atlanta bad activity <unk> stuff sure sending reading about it uh well it's a great way to learn about it that's that's probably why i like it <unk> you know helping me learn how to how <unk> park type system works is that that's what i'm doing right now i'm <unk> and <unk> the person marking from oh bronx in languages [noise] holy cow [laughter] and a fan of it versus inanimate gender uh-huh uh-huh and and you you're you're gonna throw observation into the mix just to really fill out that picture obligation uh-huh that [laughter] see that's also characteristic of the um <unk> language is is really weird because i originally like this culture has sort of ah middle eastern slash indian feel but i was originally like the <unk> has a little bit of that in it but i guess it's turning into a native american like rich [laughter] happened somebody languages <unk> some of the language is of the <unk> can be quite funky in terms of alignment so mm okay anyway why don't we move on to our future hotline for today which is <unk> alerts ah was created by uh anthony harris and this guy's been around for a while it's so the language is very it's very very highly developed it has a lot it's a lot of depth to it but there is we were talking before the episode it's a little bit <unk> in some ways i think the <unk> [noise] [noise] [noise] <unk> i mean not fanatic cracker like information that eases <unk> staying [laughter] but the distinction i pretty much exactly liking <unk> from what i couldn't read and well he will have [noise] singular plural you from [laughter] this is interesting actually i just looked at this has like yes so different um moods mark on now and he has a forms that our second person but it's a millionaire polite and insult that's interesting <unk> sounds like one of the things that sounds like it's a good idea but then you know if i end up using now [laughter] yeah it's like why do you have a dramatic for her medical form specifically for being rude it seems a little interesting well i just called them facing be darned [laughter] [noise] yeah it's do censor bianca again [laughter] um [noise] uh i think honestly i can easily concoct historical scenario where you would get something like this [noise] simply [noise] you know like to our previous show on on register and formality just to have you know uh uh uh an element or grammatical marker that's used to speak to social inferior and have you know the society change in such a way that that's no longer acceptable and then you just preserve this grammatical forum [noise] as a way to be obnoxious to people now that <unk> <unk> i <unk> i honestly i think um third person insult insult forms would be more useful <unk> hey smacking him so he used to <unk> and so <unk> well a fence in your language yeah okay that's interesting so i mean there are some things about the tents that antics that are very english but other things are quite a bit not yeah yeah i mean the <unk> the passive isn't the reflective <unk> synthetic forums yeah but this funky <unk> was um sort of a particle suffix sort of um [noise] prospective forum which comes out of nowhere [noise] mhm [noise] but uh for me one of the most interesting things about this language is definitely it's thrown is yeah it's huge has an immense vocabulary yes and he actually uh through through two thousand seven in the end of two thousand eight he had a law where he he's he was able to write long tax in alerts uh any has english translations of course all the <unk> most of them have found sample in fact i think i will play one for our listeners just a second hair and here we go [noise] <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> okay so uh <unk> right and you know like nasal [laughter] you know i have not seen [laughter] credit flea fond of nasal nasal wise vowels either but on the bright side he <unk> wow [laughter] he he you can tell kind of that he knows the language apparently he can speak yet which is not contrary to what how many of our <unk> our friends might believe is not a common thing for hotline or is necessarily true now i kept my language so i think i think like one <unk> so the um language creation society <unk> he regularly pairing has an interview with um him talking about his language so in addition to the language which is interesting there's his approach to the language and his relationship with that that i think i mean we don't have time to go into it here but it's worthwhile going to listen to him talk about his language because his relationship with his language is quite different from certainly mine which is as a hobby yeah he has he has sort of a spiritual orientation <unk> <unk> and uh we were saying before that it reminded me all of the guy who created it looked <unk> also had that sort of thing they both hi <unk> hi oh linked to that l. c. s. potash but yeah um long story short i think both of them <unk> both of these guys kind of had this belief that this place sort of exist somewhere and they are part of that culture that they just sort of do i have his thing right uh i think that's right but again it's it's been a while since i've listened to it the is the details of it um escaped me [noise] but uh i i <unk> again we seem to be picking these languages based on what william things would be useful for other <unk> to look at it from the gators the section on word creation in fort <unk> very interesting there's a lot of interesting ideas they're certainly i've uh <unk> one or two of his <unk> tricks um so it's definitely oh yeah i <unk> how long he's worked on it but so much work has gone into this this really some really great ideas on their <unk> how old <unk> no idea how long has he started <unk> fell on top because i do it yeah list like she has like in <unk> it's kind of high tech are back in right now for a long period and not fat [laughter] it's not that horrible i mean you can hear stuff to <unk> <unk> <unk> exactly [noise] [noise] so i'm wondering if i have five [laughter] if he started there <unk> <unk> last [noise] he got fat and added <unk> ooh this is interesting some of his i don't know why exactly it it's mark this way but it looks like in his compounds he has some roots cutter mark is fun to tested as in they only up here in compounds are soft sure sure which the you know <unk> thing but it first thing that he had that he has he has these two big list of ah one of <unk> one of <unk> have a lot of interesting sort of meanings you can you can attach onto those kind of thing i mean if you were aim is to produce naturalistic language mhm then these the <unk> the cranberry the cranberry words are important second of all if your seat is that your discovering this language somehow um you would expect to find compounds with elements you hadn't seen before that is true without saying that the other element does or does not exist somewhere else in the language yeah yeah i'm sort of sad that the the blond posts sort of faded away it'd be interesting to for those chicken <unk> yeah i do like the the idea that he had the block posted in any of the recording and i'm going to a leg to his law so that you guys can see that because that's really cool too you know you see the alerts and any english and then you have the <unk> can you hear what it sounds like because actually his his um alerts that has some odd sounds and is <unk> is not always entirely clear it has a lot of foul sounds yeah <unk> <unk> so many vowels sounds <unk> there's certain things about the language honestly that it gives me a slight air of the slavic languages <unk> there are a lot of <unk> confidence that make me think of brushing somehow i think the first time i heard it i kind of thought of it sounded like russian or yeah or something well then it has things like ah which is really definitely not russian yeah except perhaps spoken by <unk> so yeah [laughter] [laughter] well guys now i have a russian accent right oh excuse me and <unk> [laughter] <unk> [laughter] we dish with a russian excellent that's sort of think how old man that's that's how i think <unk> i only know russian <unk> college i had a friend in my japanese class who all the teachers thought he was from oklahoma [laughter] or knew someone from broken all have to speak some swedish here and have our listeners email in okay say something in swedish here man i already had hassled by stupid [laughter] [laughter] oh okay fine that's weird because like i've never had that happened of course i've only learn shoot foreign like it might happen future but so far what i speak spanish i nobody really <unk> i i sound i have sort of general latin american spanish i do have i do have ah ah yeah for the y. m. banished fan and then i don't i don't have the dental <unk> um four seasons eat but uh which would be spanish spanish or testing but and in chinese well i learned from a teacher who taught me the standard mentored so and i i've been told i talk like a news announcer you have the <unk> river and everything oh the <unk> uh not really everywhere i'm not even sure where you can and half insert <unk> so i don't really use it uh-huh i find them i got mine by taiwanese friends for speaking that way you know i stopped [laughter] yeah but i do have um [noise] <unk> um distinction i <unk> good [laughter] that is there's a certain tongue twister that becomes ludicrous in in that time when he's accent [noise] to have anything else to say about <unk> since we've oh golf a bit <unk> starting from it sounds a little bit slavic with those [noise] those <unk> [laughter] yeah we kind of got sidetracked <unk> i don't know i don't really have anything i want to say about it that i haven't already said besides it's it's a top ten i think in terms of languages beginner should look at yeah good thing to look at it began that because i think even now i kind of nice man that <unk> that fake <unk> i think <unk> yeah <unk> yeah i would do wish that he would give us just an i._p. <unk> rather than he has list of sounds with examples from english or whatever he's got a p._d._f. version of the grammar that gives <unk> no [laughter] oh well at least it's accurate yeah <unk> ah [noise] i guess i'm saying [noise] guys you know he he gets a pass he's been doing this for a long time yeah but you know guys give us an <unk> [laughter] please yes mandarin you can like you know what i'm saying i mean <unk> then maybe i'll get hair past hair but until then [laughter] and i tell my [noise] but that will be a very long time for for so for now make sure i <unk> although it makes it a lot better uh four people learning it you might want to give him that example but it's a lot easier if for people to look at your phonology look at your <unk> at a glance and see what's what's interesting about it if you have and i <unk> 'cause you can see ah whether there's theory how what the what the series that has whether it has any auto holes and all that kind of stuff yeah and for someone he used to i pay i mean i had like a <unk> get good enough for him it back [laughter] it's so much easier to just read the <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> in in the modern world of unit code there's really no reason not to uh although i'm always reminded of the union <unk> curse [noise] everybody wants to you know code until they get it and when i play [laughter] <unk> [laughter] hey if nothing else i'd be able to save you ludicrous descriptions try and explain how the noises made in the [laughter] that that is the important thing and you know this was a know your audience thing but anyway shall we wrap this up i think we've digressed off of <unk> enough the to show that we really don't have much more to say [laughter] go look at it it's interesting yes look at it take a take a good look at it and this very well documented language too and except there's no <unk> i need tex well right there's no glasses and i'm not going to blame him because he he was he invented this language before bianca was here for her [laughter] for crusade for for <unk> hi okay which i support um but the syntax went missing which is sad i couldn't have <unk> which is kinda weird [laughter] [noise] so okay well say our morals for this episode or make sure you're right a grammar when you're doing your language and that'll help you figure everything out number to use i p._a. and i <unk> voting chart number three uh used bosses [laughter] look it alerts ah which sales on all three of those [laughter] they'll deserves to be looked at yes [noise] and and and what was that number four number five i'm still hoping that the people listening to this pug cast will comment and tell us if if anything we've said ever has made them do something different yeah they they go about inventing their languages i mean if you have like georgia and i both thought that that <unk> quite cool <unk> went hey of uh went outside and that wasn't that wasn't that hard comes out there'll be a thing on the top of the show well it's already out by the time people are hearing but that said that correct or i correct myself on a pronunciation is cave [laughter] fine well we've <unk> dictators i've had [laughter] yeah now we both <unk> something if you had to <unk> say <unk> you look at one of <unk> or you like doing something an hour somewhere on in the back [laughter] but it made you think of something we'd like to now well thank you for listening and happy coddling thank you for listening to con lying hurry you confide all our episodes and show notes as well as subscribed to r. i. 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