Conlangery #102: Afrihili

Conlangery #102: Afrihili

Published: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 06:42:27 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 [noise] [noise] well come on learning fuck that sucked destructive to some people were really with me down a roadway claim marriage and over in maine we have my lynne hello how are you guys doing [noise] [laughter] yeah right uh indian air conditioning but enjoying the same it's been a very hot summer recently and uh i was just telling the guy last night apparently they heard fireworks early yeah here's the thing that goes down in madison for years mostly you know i don't pay for it i don't think it's a city <unk> big deal and germs too yes where i live was was uh very very close but i didn't see any i just heard right where i went what should the show at the previous location and it was so close to the water that i had um degreed falling on me [noise] oh wow oh wow burning <unk> um i <unk> it was hurting but getting ashes and you're right yeah yeah i i i kind of wonder if um though it's part of ah found this coming from like reflecting on a lake or something because she her and all of the crazy go they could be all sorts of fun yeah sound engineering going on there 'cause that were louder explosions and i've heard it any fireworks so [laughter] so anyway uh a small programming note uh many uh you will know that i am getting married on july congratulations and so uh uh coming out with this episode we're recording this rather lake but um i'm thinking about <unk> logistics uh cutting out the the august hungry and i'm not sure what we're going to happen whether it's going to be like put out later or maybe i can uh uh pull out stuff from uh early a discussion i had with uh with david cross call could make it look up suit or something but they could just do summer break the church and getting married i think yeah i got hurt i um i could i could just miss it it it's kind of i hate <unk> <unk> any more because we're a month for i guess now but it may be what i have to do [noise] so uh we'll see uh what goes for that um so don't be surprised if there's some some change her the august one [laughter] or possibly not in august cargo area at all so just wanted to give people a heads up but today we have a topic we shouldn't this language <unk> or <unk> like <unk> it's called <unk> and uh we have williams who actually think or or um <unk> actually getting some things together and writing a legal article about this uh because uh what you you <unk> several copies um what is it <unk> after <unk> <unk> yeah <unk> which there are <unk> it had puppies in the entire united states as far as i'm able to [noise] okay and then <unk> there are three or four libraries that have the second definition to illinois i think [noise] ohio and the [noise] library of congress and that's it [laughter] and through inter library loan i'm single too copies that's quite amazing yeah ah a rare books like that through inter library loan yeah yeah um so um before that people had only had uh i'm in the eighties or nineties i forget man i don't have an enemy some member of the comic <unk> mainly was i believe um had found a copy of <unk> i think the first edition um at home be library in new york and made a few notes and posted em to online either mailing list or possibly harm music group and some information about that and then uh blanche who's the big um african think we also have a little bit of information about language including a um warm the sheet newsletter um got online and for a long time that was pretty much how old of information <unk> um the library of congress had to copy <unk> has its own i okay [laughter] um and that sort of they started it i mean the so language coat started out with something from congress and the i don't talk to that and <unk> even though knowledge about the language is very very small yes uh so uh just to get the overall picture of it <unk> is uh what we call a <unk> for a particular region of the world and um it has source languages from all over africa i'm i'm sure the like the <unk> part of effort either comes from swahili iliad swahili is a big source language but you've found a lot of other possible <unk> in there yeah i read the paper that was one of my jobs for myself was to find <unk> where possible it may be that he simply made up words from time to time but when i could i found um oh <unk> both or words entered medical construction and just recently i discovered a new one i've learned that um hey derivation indicate upper derby <unk> indicate that you're pretending to do something where you <unk> <unk> the roof and then and i think she knew comes from oil okay which i just heard a few days ago [laughter] that's cool yeah so where have swahili we'd have wall off there's also how <unk> how <unk> oh <unk> ooh jonah phony <unk> uh met a guy thing which is <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> oh okay [laughter] witness drunk sort of a pain to have it yeah uh she was a big source language um possibly other languages of comment worse than i rented it um in in high in that the guy the language is nick <unk> um from donna i'm wiccan article he listed as and historian but i think that he was a civil engineer i was able to find a noted in an african policy journal um what looks like a crush released from him to them talking about the twenty fifth anniversary of offering me i'm in there he was described as a civil engineer so i suspect that is more likely oh i didn't write <unk> she didn't write other books which might have been people to believe he was at a certain alright and you say that um you you you actually said your paper it looks like even though he didn't specifically represents that looks like he was he was uh trying to make the language for um the hand than movement or a <unk> a part of those <unk> yes and african isn't was a big movement in africa [noise] um [noise] through long it's got a long history um but it was really big deal in the fifties sixties and seventies um the first president i don't know who's one of the people that uh the books dedicated to it was big <unk> and actually said that all african should learn swanky um just to ease some communication um <unk> <unk> <unk> attempts to uh you know have african americans and not just africans but you know diaspora uh [noise] you know situation as well he couldn't be extremely um politically radical it doesn't seem like um october i was particularly radical um because there's almost no mention that i mean there's no mention outright at <unk> at all in the book although there are you know occasional examples <unk> lead you to believe that this was his motivation and when he said why was created right you try and promote unity and understanding among the different people's with the continent and then you know anything's reduced her translation cost or what train all the usual things yeah it definitely is in some ways like shorter by similar uh uh in in her style of the language construction and see ideals behind it it looks like it is sort of in a similar pertaining to uh as parent though maybe s. brown more like some of the <unk> like which is true offing also are a white with political movements to unify although loving people's under one right right the the actual uh x. bronco didn't grow out of a political movement it's oh maybe it was a <unk> just not one that was um <unk> group right certainly um one thing looking at the looking to the actual language one thing that struck me several times as i was looking true is that it is very regular in many places and it does have some of these sort of oddity that can remind you of other sort of <unk> things worse things are a little bit too systematic shut in the same vein like it doesn't remind though that's bronco in the sense of <unk> you know very much strictly <unk> meeting and and <unk> there are some interesting things going on with vowels changes and <unk> and stuff probably because of the different source like short healing list yeah thing except <unk> are found in this language <unk> they're all present in some degree it is extremely <unk> that is absolutely true there are a few places where in the interests of speed um or simplicity however you wanted to find that they are monitored changes that at the change of your <unk> but for the most part in languages very regular yes absolutely and you sort of expect that um [noise] yeah i was actually surprised to see some of those cases where there were irregularities or places were speakers seem to be given like an arbitrary choice like uh what proposition add positions can be before or after right very confusing to me there's no over discussion about how that choices made it all in years to be up to the speaker um [noise] in writing i would think that could potentially be confusing although i mean normal intonation patterns would <unk> would remove any <unk> mhm uh as such like there's not that much interesting to say i want to have just a mini rat ah you know you describe you summarize [laughter] but the uh like the sound system exactly it's a complete copy of what he did yep yes and um what's that is not how i would ever describe sound system [laughter] i don't yeah i don't even <unk> like the i said obviously he was probably writing his book for a general audience so not using you know <unk> <unk> it's hard to <unk> in the late sixties um when i was written hi i'm <unk> [laughter] <unk> and uh version of it may have been there by that but in any case like that's not such a big issue although you know some of his like his hey <unk> i'm like i have i am touting whether he has the one ah low sound like that and it's <unk> [laughter] <unk> probably i mean god i as i understand it was a british colony so he's probably imagine except british pronunciation right yet but i'm thinking although i and it may be more appropriate to to um yeah there's audience to to think of it that way but uh the other thing is like yeah th and h. w er not huge no that's really funny gibson pronunciation [laughter] but nowhere in the entire book did i ever see them use mhm so the um on the <unk> in local language scripts are they written with those symbol there or is that saying look languages um what is that what i mean [noise] so you've got the the normal five foul pets ah <unk> who um or rather ah a <unk> but you also have um open versions of hay and all right <unk> the little epsilon and the backwards upside down see i'm from <unk> those are used in languages of the region la [noise] yeah or thought graffiti skin narrow partners huh yeah it's it's sort of a thing of uh a lot of african languages have that distinction and it's seven to the whole system yeah yeah and so that they just sort of came upon just using those symbols because it's easier to do you do not dire critics to both of them if you're not count yet you're about using um under adults [noise] um so yeah that'll be neat that's what you mean by that and i assume he's also sort of <unk> i mean he's very vague about where the accent supposed to go it's like oh can you know <unk> wherever um so my guess is that other attempt simplification to make it easier for people to [noise] you know what's the um oh i wish they had more more descriptive sending it kind of torn like i'm not sure if the <unk> bottles <unk> um it's <unk> it's just an illusion yeah but i would presume <unk> on what he's written [noise] you know just based on merit at curves that would make much sense for a lot of stuff although i have a life has uh <unk> [noise] um you set the spurs so our topic news holes where i did like that he didn't mention that it was no he didn't but i don't know how to pronounce <unk> okay i i never knew that those were slavic necessarily money like <unk> or something they could be i <unk> i thought they were just clusters <unk> no yeah <unk> okay well my <unk> i i don't know how you yeah it's um it's the j. is that an african or is that the <unk> or what is that is an african [laughter] yeah that's <unk> that's what i'm <unk> we're not anyway pretended swahili [laughter] <unk> anyway that these are all like minor details in the in the <unk> upon logical description i was just ah making a known about it you know in that you know there's there's things like he seems to be marking powell linked by doubling rebel yeah but he didn't say that you know okay [laughter] so you know just uh this is not a good example of how to lay offs and all that she can make chili which i'm guessing he was a native speaker of <unk> have contrast above all linked so that's probably what's motivated [laughter] yeah yeah and ah mayor in languages of african have that addiction but it's not it's hardly universal just sort of moving down through your uh paper william [laughter] first like thing where we see sort of so he he ended up <unk> importing a lot of <unk> scott <unk> english yeah intended to or not yeah and uh the pronouns during the first place where you get that you get well you know because of the they're sort of ended up end up being average was on the urban often that you get you know influence and obviously be they are taking from african languages but he has three singular split into he she in it and then and then mostly in the <unk> right so that's exactly english i don't think i i i i am not i don't think any of the language is uh area would necessarily do that they'd be on them yeah i i don't think so i think that's definitely english and there are other things were like um compound propositions or english like he has instead is one word and instead of is two words that perfect uh was dead and pay oh so yeah mhm mhm and unfortunately not i'll eat but many uh much uh <unk> is defined by a single word english <unk> ah that's that that ends up being an issue but again you know eat ease that maybe it uh terror in fact of how the book was written it is written in a very strange for me and it looked like eight four holding <unk> a very long tall narrow book um crammed with information wow okay um so there are space constraints and there are other pieces of a keg larry which are clearly he had devoted much loving attention to it like english in any way at all [noise] mhm [noise] one thing that sometime happened is i don't have no idea what sources where um my guess is he had access to a library with the grammar isn't dictionaries the various <unk> languages of africa and he ended up always pick very close attention to subtleties from those dictionaries and <unk> or the dictionaries themselves were simple word list for example for me uh an <unk> example um the word in all three she'll eat for club <unk> and i know that because he uses the example of um additional system to describe somebody who's a member of something so any me means club member the problem is that the zoo or eat meat so which means club it's something you'd get people is not something you <unk> i see i don't know this is not necessarily someone who speaks all these language so right sure where he is he he probably is multilingual buddy <unk> multilingual but [laughter] numerous far from where you live yeah um so it's not like <unk> um so yeah there's the little tidbits like that uh another one um what works for hair is april mhm <unk> which is the <unk> poor alligator hair i eat <unk> [laughter] oh [laughter] um so there are a few things like that where you get some some interesting um a shift in meaning that would be surprising to native speakers just because it's source is um english dictionaries um probably not um [noise] the great dictionaries formal language that he's holding from yeah it's it's possible that there was not drawing from the vet material which uh is kind of important um a small though with the the numbers the only thing about those prairie numbers are you there are awesome very regular so that's not a big deal i didn't i don't know of another uh uh a natural language that there's like hey all basically means times and then he put that into their their original structure of um like uh you know uh <unk> right i don't know if i know of a language or or get quite that way yeah it's very overt yeah 'cause i think most languages come up what number before they come up with arithmetic so [laughter] um pointed to be <unk> i was never able to find it at 'em all the g. for the number nine oh all the all that good point um one thing i would imagine with the metabolism is well is it lots of africa um lots of arabic after you eat both through how so <unk> oh okay that's that that that could be expected i <unk> yeah i'm thinking oh interesting okay number seven is my only got three feet though i finally i caught up with that enough to remember all <unk> <unk> ah ripped off though right exactly like related like which is so random off you shouldn't stuff [laughter] all these other languages so and we talked about at <unk> can be or or after right that that that scene hurried normal to me no like i can i can seem more likely a language that has mostly <unk> you <unk> positions or soccer right um but not like apparently completely completely free choice but he's using it was like two year indians examples there seems to be <unk> like preference for using the host position windy definite article is also use the phrase [noise] mhm that that <unk> that that can be understandable right right uh so we haven't been raised within time is um given in a sequel and within that time is nina <unk> so [noise] <unk> um another subtle <unk> from english i think i'm not sure we'd also reinterpret [laughter] some side effect of her she realization um the propositions can be uses advisers without modification yeah i'm actually from verbs have uh an interesting sort of curry over that costs like comes from english not not in any way formed or anything work a lot but in the second or third okay there was a simple president president progressive past recipe progressive perfect continuous sounding familiar yeah i yeah i agree that the that system looks very well he <unk> of uh hello you okay short <unk> water [laughter] hot anyway [laughter] he does have like uh <unk> yeah <unk> um what apparently third [noise] um well the owners <unk> but then there's one one example right so uh an exception <unk> neither exception or education yep so uh-huh any <unk> um uh one of the tensions you make them the power of the tents pretty good [noise] mhm [noise] um but there's a special <unk> pre picks me all so [laughter] yeah yeah i'm a little bits from smoking alley so there's a patch consecutive prefix law um which is likes watching the <unk> so basically you establish half the tank and then <unk> equivalent of and then or next um you use this law huh tense pretty fix for the subsequent clauses oh okay so um one uses for utah oh one thing i buy highlighted here that i wanted them to that i forgot to mention so the um the uh possessive forms of pronouns yeah tutor worms and he actually basically man has co rep prints it using these different forms sort of in a suit tactic way yeah basically using the like the the proposition warm for and earlier uh <unk> and the the the post post forum for a laker reference against interesting way to do that i don't know i've never heard of a natural language that's not but maybe they're our language we can we do have languages in the region so he may know that that have um a local for the separate right pronouns for determining who she was in um indirect clauses especially um [noise] so that they don't <unk> oh yeah they know where that's exactly you know they have a different set but this is him you know making use of the material and these two different ways of forming possession are available for all person's numbers only for the third person are they using this couple reference reality trickery um the other ones if not clear i mean he uses a short ones most often um and he gives us the rules but when the long <unk> except for dessert person <unk> um and that's <unk> go ahead oh no i was just certain sites that someone like cleaning she was saying that sounds perfect upjohn so she knows me and the new <unk> if that's similar in that kinda devout in english [noise] [laughter] the second actions are ah education so shoo formative she needed adjectives and twenty any you rip off the initial bottle of the down and you <unk> fix it to the <unk> and then use topics and to the <unk> sounds like a frankenstein more morphine yeah that's right um i heard off that well that's a hard enough they like the entire um uh gender system so so yeah so um <unk> and the works for nice is judy but an eye alice <unk> right the second is that the forms are just full adjective forms and the reason the written the dashes because they need to agree with him and he's but he did that but still piles <unk> actually meaning they can they know semitic interested at all yeah um unless the plural is four by replacing the initial about what the final bell right [laughter] again very sort of an odd device to me but interesting <unk> right right so the word for laughs at something and drink kind of is amy and glasses would be eating yeah [noise] um so a lot of this um business with the the initial <unk> all mountains always start with level mhm um and there used to <unk> there's the swap plural marketing and there's this sort of structural kind of agreement adjectives have didn't leisurely similar to stuff that happens in lots of bend two languages um but it has news samantha meaning that i've never ever able to notice and injure visual process is where you take groups and turned them into now is there actually just in terms of it's an ounce you basically have something called the heating triangle um [laughter] which helps you determine what the <unk> over that one is supposed to be based on the <unk> of the resulting morphological process [noise] okay well wait that's so that's how the hughley crying works it's purely a funnel logical thing yeah okay [laughter] um um right some indian issue managing the reference by having two different possessive forums um he tries to do more local court stuff um we street pronoun psyche told him to bring him a book <unk> that's very confusing um and pour that he basically has the normal third person phone down <unk> meaning he reverse uh-huh so <unk> so now the problem is for me is that's the only example in the entire book that's supposed to work uh-huh that works for she worked for <unk> and neither of those as far as i'm able to tell reversed formed equal offer easy words which always involved [noise] or and or at [laughter] stops or in glide so i don't know what sort of form should be used for [noise] huh so there there are some cases where it seems like he wasn't thinking things all the way through group looking you thought about the issue which definitely is an issue the issue is looking at textbooks of other west african languages he's going to see this issue come so we came up with the system and he gave me an example and moved on to understand that the the book is very impressed right um looking at the healing tranquil hi find it very interesting the choices that he made because i had some level it looks like he's he's seeing all the running distinction except that he doesn't have eh <unk> oh yeah it it was all and then i heard was oh yep so it's like he got half way to something that we would recognize for formal linguistics yeah i don't know she was aiming at maximum distance or if he was i i have no idea how we decided to department um in one of the bible has no part in this he he <unk> all there is only used in like if you would end up with a noun that were that had all of the bowls identical um you don't use the normal prefix you use yeah mm uh-huh okay and the reason for that is of all of the vowels already identical how we <unk> <unk> oh yeah that makes sense <unk> so yeah there's there's there's a point where i feel like this is breaking down as a possible hi ill because this word this this this method of derivation is really difficult to work [noise] i think no it's not that bad it's not well but it's a little it's a little bit more complex than i would want to put him maybe i don't know has has we have discussed the difficulty of leg this really isn't what determines the success um a linguist <unk> that's true but the difficulty it's something that people would create i ain't too reading and light cheers the <unk> how much of your time that you're interacting than i am are you actually <unk> not that much time in speaking any language or you <unk> it doesn't happen very often so if you have if you already know that well it's the bird court you die and you encounter <unk> wow i didn't even have a reasonably good ideal um what's the notion is about mhm without having to go to the trouble finding oh is that the <unk> you know she knew triangle precinct i mean you know the words uh right so it is an an an unusual system but i don't know that it it is um impossible difficult [noise] um for uh learners too quite right i would be interested if this it's sort of sad that it will not more success which is i would be interested in seeing what this would turn into it and it's speaker population yeah um when i read that um press release uh-huh which came out in nineteen eighty seven [noise] um one of the things in the articles mentioned how <unk> how can people had to learn the language to some degree that was never specified right that that those are just people contacted him right so that <unk> much as we know um and i would not able to find any more information about it after that nineteen eighty seven publication and the thing is when we have you know this this guy talking about his own language [noise] talking about approximately a thousand people you can't necessarily evaluate how good they are at the language and he may have a uh interested in playing the numbers all sorts of thing you would think that if you're languages existed for twenty five years you've only had it out in the speakers you would come up with bigger numbers <unk> that's true [laughter] [noise] i'm not saying that he would like necessarily deliberately falsified <unk> sure i would i would say that someone who is who is promoting in iowa now would try would <unk> would end up taking the higher estimate [laughter] yeah that makes sense yeah huh just not not even necessarily consciously just trying just when they're estimating things that they end up with a harris short but um so and you have some example texas coke directly from book garden person the text that i put at the i mean all of examples within the body getting <unk> radically examples are from the text book um the long example that i go off at the end it's from the oh newsletter that bent bunch it hon than you did the last thing you're so yes that that's uh interesting hi find some of the little like odd choices i'm like i wonder where these came from because [laughter] just like things like use punctuation or their languages in africa that do this with question mark an exclamation put beginning not that i'm aware of yeah i didn't know where he got that idea yeah that's that's really strange so since i was <unk> he he cleans his idea she'd inspiration to create this um like what happened he was traveling it says when uh in nineteen sixty seven <unk> see when he was traveling from british tortured french clay um travelled in europe maybe been through spain and noticed that it was a cool thing to you [noise] [noise] hello yeah i'm here [laughter] so yeah i guess that that could have occurred to 'em but i kind of points to something but i <unk> i've seen and <unk> of course but sometimes people doing <unk> they just end up in <unk> some ideas even when it's not necessarily something that would be familiar um sure i didn't know how i mean people get exercise punctuation but i don't know how alienating or difficult that really beat it wouldn't be a big deal on us but it's just like me an odd thing to decide on yeah i agree i don't know where he got that idea i don't i'm not aware of any african language that use that <unk> <unk> yeah there are here's your where i'm wildly speculating and uh i don't want to i don't want to uh say that this is like a fresh fruit thing because i don't want to um to to to to um uh past the spring comes on the guy but there are african languages where you will find an exclamation point bringing up a word smart uh click <unk> sure but i don't know i i can't i don't know to what extent anyone wouldn't necessarily be confused by that because if you end up seeing <unk> you will see that oh this is like something that's touching this word right yeah i that doesn't seem very likely because he would never have ever seen the question mark used that way right that's true yeah um [noise] one thing that i thought was an interesting mix of stuff in the upper taking the heads of these three ways of forming relative clauses that i was able to find in the <unk> mhm first it can use the question we're such as who're which just like english <unk> um uh or other into european languages <unk> second it can treat the verb something like an adjective she gets <unk> <unk> <unk> good william apart civil thing going on um and then last there's this relative ward off which link the down to the rest of the claws um we don't know how high up the restaurant show hierarchy it can go um we have examples where it's used for subjects and object [noise] um and also places but i don't know indirect object or gender too could be attached um mhm to relative to sway uh-huh so i thought that was interesting to have three different ways of doing them <unk> <unk> what's kind of still alive i have no idea i tried to find information on it before i read the paper but i was unsuccessful yes 'cause that would be that would be the one guy you could ask yeah like uh like for real language you need to find <unk> speaker for for this language you need to find a greater ask question no i didn't spend some time trying to find him and i tried more than once i cried about two years ago as well and see if i could find something to tell me anything but i've not been able to get any information later than that nineteen eighty seven <unk> mm mm so hard to tell yeah um well that's that's very interesting <unk> that we need to cover um hi ruth <unk> and both the article and i have a web page describing the different kinds of derivation available um and some of them are really interesting um things that most of us [noise] because of uh european languages and fiction would not consider as things that we needed to have heard generations to do [noise] uh right so those i think er we're looking at for inspiration right age [noise] um than what [noise] so you're not you're seventeen and eighteen and i if you <unk> you also find a page where i get big big much bigger less than i do in the paper [noise] oh okay <unk> patterns um one question i would like to ask you is um well no not question i would like one thing i would like to say about using this as inspiration er you know if you're in the uh the naturalistic crowd that this is an artificial language than it has some things that are very artificial about uh oh yeah there's no mistaking this are natural uh yeah obviously <unk> just a lot of 'em are obvious but you know always just like it has a similar like <unk> like that's bronco has but not i think that tends to happen [noise] not regularly no no no it's fully regular at as prompt us chart but so like it in many ways that i can't help but think that he might have at least seen s. bronco at some point before it um making this yeah well it's it's entirely possible but you saw it because and it could have been part of part of being able to just the <unk> the behind making but we don't know 'cause we don't have access my clients you had you had a lot of yeah some some notes that you were going through yeah they were um just kind of things i thought were interesting and i'm not i'm not very well familiar to twist the lines of the area so i don't know if that's something that she just like stuff that's something that's coming from swahili or other languages out in the area for example um the echo now i really liked that she did reach occasion um the topic sort of like an under stuff's hot towels in there [noise] mm [noise] um yeah yeah yeah it's a funny so is your <unk> various morphine which are given um in such a way that they can't naturally uh attach without no uh-huh so for example <unk> suffix it listed as beat w well work in that so you need some additional vowel sushi you repeat the previous ones so sauna used to see and then you add the path that when you get <unk> which is be seen <unk> fine <unk> jimmy advised <unk> not actually an unusual thing that is something that's happened right it's it's uh yeah i don't know how to describe it <unk> the term i came up for it because as soon as some language um it's it's like a repair <unk> they didn't like it it is often strategy but there are <unk> where are you just do huge <unk> would not be necessary but it's okay um so it maintains of now 'cause i i'm sorry go on ya go see what you're going to say no it <unk> i've haven't up and down here so i won't forget it you know um yeah i <unk> i don't even when i was in the same uh [laughter] yeah it's a repair strategy often but it's it's sort of a principal in his own yeah i was going to mention to this how i imagine it's pretty early so that when <unk> swapped rounded shifted for other kinds of conscience or whatever usage this happened before all that or how to <unk> yes it happened in stages you had to pass if you do this and then if anything additionally happened um and then you worked in that new things [noise] uh so that was one thing that i thought was pretty interesting especially if you liked <unk> falling off to keep thinking oh well you know you don't <unk> um the army or anything like that um i know a lot of languages in that area now there's <unk> there's not enough to having a limited though you know no not at all it has this little apparatus that sort of mechanically looks like how the night classes work so this this repetition of the nine bubble on the adjectives that degree [noise] um <unk> a little bit like your shoes or swahili adjective agreement is funny um however but it's not like adjective agreement because the <unk> you stripped away the whole the whole apparatus up the mountain classes in red hook the like the formal <unk> yes it's purely mechanical there's use this follow this now in this other <unk> other now um none of the other things you expect with non classes or <unk> <unk> oh [noise] okay um moving out to teach seven um it doesn't seem i mentioned the <unk> pronoun um i think that was mentioned which see any personal tone on like it is i'm sure it is [noise] um oh the industrial <unk> which takes tense marking juice dual languages of that area <unk> ah that's an interesting question so the the whole series with very puzzling to me because not only does it work independently <unk> it is attached to some verbs <unk> if you already have a <unk> <unk> then you have the indefinite pronouns and it's really hard sometimes understand what he's doing it's very common used in these instructions of obligation so nothing like it is necessary that we use this cat <unk> um the example ideas um um age seven <unk> <unk> like children <unk> parents and reading these is there's obligation the children obey <unk> poor children to obey their parents um [noise] uh language is like housing and related languages how entire series of pronouns that look like the pronouns are being complicated for pets mm that's an aspect and so you have long charts of pronounce this is your future pronoun this is your um you know you're such a criminal or whatever and they're a bunch of these what's really happening is you have um heightened reduced auxiliary construction [noise] um that looks like in second run out but i don't know if there's something like this indefinite pronouns generally i didn't see it in any language i looked at and focus most of my attention on uh switching elite housing or a <unk> and <unk> where i could find information about it um i didn't look at the hundreds and how you know many many many hundreds of other languages and africa so they're like yeah i think that he ran across but yeah i don't know and um the last <unk> a little above that long eight seven um was the facilities and the first person to secrecy and looser pronouns is that something that is just made up or <unk> ah there's a lot of our <unk> our our un well that's a common thing throughout the world so i don't yeah i just meant that he did he derived from i see it nah there's the net net net <unk> who wants to rochester it's just a point that you came up with um i <unk> ooh [noise] comes from either <unk> which are the <unk> and singular forms on the second person pronounce himself [noise] [laughter] it's a bit of a surprise the <unk> of menu net and the and the <unk> the <unk> version of this region need you or austin you um they're not well integrated into the system verbs aren't conjugate with the anywhere else in the textbook um [noise] you get a few examples where there to find and that's the last to see them um i don't know which like when she got this person for these from yeah it's interesting because he has three basically words for we there's menu then how can you and then uh and not so it's uh <unk> what's your t._v. article right he never goes and says that new <unk> the listener <unk> it's ever defined as exclusive [noise] [noise] oh <unk> okay you put that you put new um <unk> uh <unk> you're <unk> here but you didn't um i didn't <unk> um <unk> to do and do the too explicit forms i didn't put in the big chart because they don't integrate you don't have separate because that's the forms that i ever saw um they didn't have um the independent subject forums defined anywhere so i wasn't clear to me how they integrated into the rest of the <unk> and they're only a few examples yeah [laughter] [noise] yeah those are some things that i find interesting that um you know things that happen natural language that just didn't know if he had some from his own mind or if they had come from <unk> in that area i would get the kemper in languages that eat encountered somewhere on i mean some things he's done looked to me like he just invented stuff that seems to make sense i like the initial punctuation you are in that alright that's fine um you're gonna get a certain amount of that in any um <unk> system where you have to harmonize a whole bunch of stuff and [noise] we produce some simplification that he's so too um [noise] so distant from us original sources that it might as well have just been invented likes to be uh the <unk> the initial vowels yeah i didn't know any language that horse morals that way that's interesting well you know what i mean <unk> like <unk> it's very like [noise] like mental <unk> and <unk> you might be able to acquire that naturally but it seems very well but you don't need the tribal to to create plural it's mainly a <unk> thing yeah <unk> it is a little bit like hey well last bell but replaced the first foul okey dokey i do think that is anymore mentally challenging and redo petition especially you know crazy maker duplication with changes right people in the speakers of language isn't is falling all over the world so i don't think it's that it's yeah it's i wouldn't be surprised if there are <unk> natural language is that actually do some sort of <unk> called crunch mission <unk> plenty of hiding out for ya i i i i would i would bow credits very common anymore yeah i've heard of just like you know raising or lowering or rounding up things with that just seems kind of um <unk> follow that kind of form of just fear the triangle you go across the way and and er the <unk> that's pretty arbitrary yeah i still i still think it's it's it's kind of actually surprised me to to help the agreement morphology on the <unk> too that's basically <unk> taking the mount plots agreement like formal system but he's making it purely <unk> yep instead of having any non causes which will be easier to learn but it's kind of interesting to me that he chose to still have that kind of system in there instead of simply dropping mount classes and everything that's that's [laughter] <unk> well he wanted it to look african and yeah <unk> we need this right [laughter] [laughter] so i think that that's what my cousin and a son or my points of interest you know i think that we can wrap up uh i think the <unk> <unk> oh shut up this is it it's an interesting thing to look that especially for people who are interested in <unk> it's somewhat different model then what we may be familiar with with uh thinks like mispronounce <unk> um it's but it's not so unfamiliar with that it's like totally like yeah and the the interesting thing um you know trying to you know bringing in a bunch of different after it's horses um is you know it's consistent with the sort of the ideal but we seem to see him doing yep um and it's it's <unk> interesting rule he's studying i don't know how much unless you're you're thinking about making <unk> hi eh all you can draw a lot of <unk> you can draw some interesting little grammatical secrets from it but you know understanding if you <unk> <unk> <unk> natural <unk> there's a lot of things in here <unk> we're only be kind of rare we're kind of you know artificial i mean one of my purposes in writing is his accent was too where possible find in a mall juice for things right mm and the entire papers i wrote it littered with little notes about <unk> if you find something interesting and it's lucky enough that i was able to identify recoup any problem then you can go look and say oh this came from i guess the <unk> which one that we will break your brain once you look a diverse [laughter] i'll have to go check that out um right has <unk> which one mm okay um <unk> maintain many differences um so yeah you know there's many interesting i'm from l. e. s. e. m. but you know it might be <unk> or whatever so even looking at it from that standpoint you can get an idea say oh this came from i don't know um near <unk> new beginning and then you can <unk> <unk> and actually i would actually <unk> willing to uh williams paper and if people see you know that's you know a small subset of data but if people see places where william couldn't figure out uh the origin of something and i'm sure that we have some listeners who are more familiar with african languages in the audience yeah that would be very <unk> held me i would like to know like i said i just i'm gonna have to start making blockbuster about new things that i found it because i only discovered like to swallow construction a few days ago mm um which is an interesting thing to see some yeah i would love to more than i it was exhausting rightness paper i'm like okay where did this <unk> so i didn't have these very complicated and strange people search just to try to find anything that might pointing right [laughter] and sometimes i would just google worded hope something came up uh-huh yeah often did not but [noise] that is the thing that can how can er possibly help yes but um uh it's unfortunate that the book it's so rare it is [noise] there's an interesting question um uh would respect soup copyright and languages <unk> this article early i went through the tedious work of putting every single word defined into that thing that i hate so much a scratchy uh-huh and i publish that it would take all need paint have offer you lead develop an online using [noise] [laughter] uh i am not going to yeah but it's a question that um she go to a lawyer i realize that but yeah hopefully you know maybe people whatever that's just my <unk> see that there's something i could say about that part i probably <unk> yes but anyway [noise] grow up but um i hope people have uh are who are interested would like to <unk> and who wants to uh take a look this and you know uh take a look at uh william paper for now currently this is now the like the best source of information on the upper he'll eat that much yeah unless you can gets to the university of chicago yeah if you could if you could get the actual book right um yeah and uh [noise] what's the what's that [noise] i didn't [noise] [noise] [noise] oh okay the motives learn [noise] western with that what you want them from [noise] uh did you look at world [laughter] [noise] but anyway uh barring minding side uh uh you have we have the [noise] the nice paper and uh we can uh [noise] that [noise] um and uh what people think about it and uh everything else so i'm going to say happy on line [noise] thank you for listening to con line you could find our our <unk> dot com you can send find comments or topic or features language suggested to con lying or e. i. g. 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