Conlangery #104: Spatial Metaphors for Time

Conlangery #104: Spatial Metaphors for Time

Published: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 04:00:30 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 [noise] seems to be sort of <unk> like on my mind [noise] <unk> <unk> uh with you down the road ways well you man that's [noise] and <unk> mainly have mike lengthy [noise] afternoon [noise] yeah i don't agree it's a gorgeous day i was just sitting in the attic knitting and enjoying the nice breeze sign off gorge staff it's a little chilly yeah uh i rode my bike back and forth i just i just came back from the last few talks in the mid continental phonology conference uh <unk> <unk> on what they should just oh it oh yeah yeah [laughter] but anyway um that was uh interesting you know writing you um meet a few new people and uh listen to some <unk> i got a new appreciation i think that this is like this is like the second conference i i did and getting uh an appreciation for what um you know academic linguistics is about [noise] where's your any bike um [noise] i don't know a little but some some people that there wasn't so much i take and there's some really it was uh it it was actually pretty positive a lot of people were giving constructive criticism on different thing which is which is great you know to see that happen and it makes me feel great that i was actually able to give a <unk> but uh criticism there's some people 'cause i generally think of myself as being like no not no undeserving of being called the linguist but now i'm [noise] lately getting a little bit better [laughter] right sure sure what i'm talking when you really obnoxious question [laughter] oh no i i saw people having to deal with noxious questions but you know and and i think like there right now i mean this is how the <unk> and especially <unk> you know college in kindergarten you right up there [laughter] right yeah hey wait a minute and i didn't make that didn't know and then move up right right right and that that is that is part of what happened and also you also get some some weird tangents gone on but anyway i could talk i could talk a whole lot reviewing the the congress but that's not what we had it might have talked about and you know some of it would be that would be interesting <unk> some of it might not be an interesting but we have planned port today to talk about space and time better or [noise] so ah the impetus from this was a language log linked like the <unk> the entire book by um i don't know what it is like my well my my eight year old <unk> and it is wonderful um i'm gonna say like um i'm going to link to listen to show now i'm going to say probably uh people who are looking at this information for <unk> you'll probably want to you know look at the introductory chapters to get a journal overview but like the needy stuff for con language starts around chapter poor 'cause he's just giving like just lists uh different uh strategies languages are you doing for these various different types of temperamental um <unk> yeah so so that's that's like the big thing and it's all about the the whole thing is about um focusing on how we make sense of time by me spatial metaphors right and uh just how how that works out so like all of us have different notes on this and we we pulled up a bunch of other articles as well that that uh go into um the stuff in a lot of different directions um the thing i wanted to start with was just in general like the way the passes the passage of crime works um when it's <unk> and um jumping witted quick thing or yeah right so we have <unk> talk about <unk> <unk> <unk> oregon we had <unk> talks about um that's a lot of course um and in <unk> <unk> <unk> or see now when they first [noise] about [noise] <unk> hi metaphor um he got away because she was having a direct experience and play [laughter] <unk> <unk> you know there's all sorts of interesting question about how you even to <unk> or anything like that other people and i've got a link to <unk> let that we don't direct experience hi but we still he wakes you <unk> talk about it and i think about fate and there are multiple domains as human experience that are <unk> we think about emotions you take and the great thing about faith has three dimension um and emotion so there's all kinds of things you can do is they didn't make it a likely target of conceptual levels yeah and i think maybe maybe space i don't know i don't want to get too crazy speculative about it but like maybe spaces a little bit more concrete that time 'cause you could take us face and like just look at the whole thing at once which can't actually do a con sure but i'm just like to start with uh first of all so he <unk> he talks about how different <unk> <unk> are involved and if you are mapping out um you know space in three dimensions of space on different <unk> usually what you're doing is you have your back and that can be relative to yourself or to other things that have occurred in the back um you have left and right and you have the vertical up and down and basically one one of the things that you <unk> it it's very very very common poor front to back to be the thing that <unk> the access that his chosen for um for uh tap romantic wars and it's not it's not necessarily what people would expect but that um it's actually currently um i it's actually very very common for the past to be in front of you in the future to be behind um in in that <unk> there's other there's also use of the vertical access ah access which you know pop it in the past down as the future and chinese you have you you you do uh like previous is is [noise] <unk> ah and then next is yeah down and they use that was some time words english as a little bit on the critical access to we talk on how you know knowledge <unk> down you take a day but there's also ah that might be interacting with other than sexual but of course in english <unk> unknown it up and down and no it down that's that's true i met her so um english had some articles <unk> nowhere near as many [noise] [noise] right and and the thing that that is interesting to point out is there don't seem to be any languages that do left and right so if you want to make an indian language there you go [laughter] [noise] now what i mean sorry i was gonna say what do you mean lessened right like it's in general you don't you don't you don't <unk> like climate like going across from view <unk> collapsed [noise] real <unk> there was um an interesting one i found in law acreage kind of relevance this plane here if i can <unk> mentioned um well not my loved ones i found that [noise] well <unk> um the one it's like uh after the language <unk> she <unk> um <unk> they mentioned um they gave <unk> photos either they were like um <unk> eating or a tree <unk> being growing logical photos ask the person to order [noise] and um this might be a little different than what you're talking about people who <unk> who who's language was written left her right but the first photo in sequence on the left progressed to the right the people who spoke language that written like left but the first of all the way on the rat arabic cheaper they did it that way and the right the interesting thing is that the people who's language at absolutes face it depends on which way they were facing how they set up photos but they were going east west so when they're facing south cheap labor that left right they're fishing north fights left on their asian east they can't support them element when they're <unk> just a really interesting kind of um saying that they do with that you know like people like <unk> things like that [laughter] uh australian language is used them absolute direction yeah perhaps yeah but when they did was [noise] uh you're right i think er i <unk> i mean it's not it's actually a conceptual thing of it but it's highly organized visually yeah i figured that i mentioned that is an important thing to think about <unk> that's not necessarily like i i would think about it as we're like like <unk> the <unk> language but indirectly affecting how they sequence things in a <unk> non linguistic context but like the only example i could think of where you have a language that actually um translates like uh a lecture right thing into a temper role model or in the language would be like linguists use um ah right and left um uh that we've mentioned the where <unk> <unk> is the beginning uh <unk> uh <unk> or something right and then right at the end of it and the <unk> yeah oh i know that you have a language where there's like a word for it like maybe wish year this year like absolute direction in there's a word for like where the <unk> such rather than up and down or before you in behind you that set a pound <unk> could be used in a conceptual metaphor <unk> yeah and i think has format temple i don't take had any of those kinds of languages in it so it would be interesting to find out if they do anything like that but like he was focusing on the the <unk> tobacco because that see his sample that seems to be really really common and there there's there's an understandable like conceptual thing that you could think about <unk> in that you know <unk> in fact that's your general direction of motion you know your goal when you when you're going somewhere you're going <unk> <unk> what's in front of you right um and up and down it he he sort of is his theory is is involving that you know you know <unk> <unk> you know is your main you know <unk> motion thing up and down a little bit more limited but people don't really like think of themselves moving left and right that often and that was his sort of explanation [noise] true yeah and if it were if you are writing online for say um <unk> or something at work and like the ocean or whether they did not whether movement was not restricted <unk> mainly forward and backward what it is <unk> more uh sent the descent on it more regular everyday kind of thing you might see something on the conceptual metal fork scale kind of <unk> that were <unk> that um those other dimensions yeah hey challenge for somebody tried to figure out what the spatial matter of course would be like for a <unk> similar tree [laughter] [laughter] that's terrible [laughter] yeah [laughter] [noise] i mean you still have gravity at that point in need somebody in oregon yeah they they might go up and down but well you could also do like closest <unk> closer to you and further away from you or like uh like they were raised on a tree as the older they are the for the center they got like a beauty that ah that that might be interesting that somebody somebody somebody do that project [noise] i went to see it i don't know if i went to figure it out myself [laughter] [noise] um but anyway so that is one of the main sort of threat that was going through high school matts um whole uh book here and um and uh he talked about now okay so you can have the the <unk> thing go both ways it's very very common for you to put the past in front of you in the future behind you and if you don't if if you think that's weird like you know people you know <unk> english speakers don't [noise] think about that so much you know you hear news stories about oh this language does that does that like put the the past and current but this has heard at least historically an english what the words before and after if you think about what those what what the etymology those words are <unk> is that same sort of classes in front of you and but at the same time we also have metaphors up moving forward in the future in english so it may not <unk> it's not necessarily either or choice you could have a mix of different but of course going on in your language and well i think realistically if you want to make a like a <unk> you probably want to make up a mix of different thing um but he he he sort of frames that in sort of uh an idea of like quoting the the pastor <unk> view is an idea of uh oh time hi ms moving and then putting the future in front of you is more like moving ego your <unk> you are moving forward through time right and there's also the issue of we're back to the known unknown hey [noise] weird to have <unk> have you <unk> you didn't know what the future is right right there's one [noise] forget wherever we <unk> we don't have the heck were head [laughter] uh-huh right yeah yeah um but ah there's a lot more to the things that he's talking about so that's like a very general thing that happens you also talks about different types of temper markers and where they come from and one thing is like duration and when you park too locations in time and have a ration so in english it's most commonly from <unk> too why um it turns out that that is a very very common way to do that is to have um i heard from some sort of and uh like an <unk> ah expression something that's come to come from something that <unk> the you know the point that before and then the point that after you work with an <unk> ward type type of thing um but it's not the only way you also mentioned that you could drive terms from a word poor beginning uh there's one there's uh it's a combination romance languages you have like in spanish apart theater there and <unk> <unk> <unk> in some way sort of meetings beginning or the party uh leaving from something in starting okay it's sort of little <unk> into a boat and you can also derived things from the the term for em and he's talked talks about all sorts of things and there's also other sources for okay going back her before an actor which we <unk> that was that the main thing where you have the the special uh you know <unk> back off from happening but you can derive it from the worker burst a word that meaning me 'til um that's that's not you know until it's already a purple term and things like not yet uh but like close to <unk> you can have things i think really the best thing for people do that i can read out the laundry list of things that he's lifting but the best thing for people to do is to read this um this uh <unk> yeah but we're going to <unk> yeah and look at the all the different options and uh her now and i'm just gonna cover some hotlines right the uh [noise] their enormous <unk> <unk> example too many languages which teams do you ah the example of where things are coming from mhm that's pretty neat uh where i go on and hitting hitting more these <unk> markers as anyone else <unk> to uh jump in with i just wanted to mention uh one thing that i found it in one of these papers in that time is really interesting [noise] so we're used to certain things being circular mhm we really think about years of chicken policies and um after you know <unk> many many generations watches you know times circular mhm but ah the total the situation is interesting [noise] in that um this year she was with a <unk> thing [noise] basically um you are then we came into counter quite quite circle in front of you in the recent hats and instead of just going out in a line it's up and go over you and that's where both remote <unk> future lives [noise] why is he needs use your wishes rolling up to you <unk> see that very interesting uh <unk> is there um <unk> that document and you can make sure [noise] examples <unk> wanted to add about okay okay straight long's your time yeah so so it doesn't have to be necessarily straight line all right um i have a couple <unk> ah somewhat related to what you mentioned um one of them is on duration um mentions <unk> when you mentioned earlier you miss a little bit more about the actual <unk> the words that people use to express you know <unk> from point in time to point b in time and the the i guess the architecture of that kind of formation but in the um in line with some article that our chapter that i read through they talked about um a little more confessional metaphor mentions that in english um we'll talk about the ration and lineage <unk> it's like a long time um whereas and i i don't know greek but according to this or that she talks that she was greek sneakers <unk> in terms of amount for example of them are not even try to read it but <unk> <unk> much time right and um but she well she found was that when she does she had english speakers and greek speakers performance <unk> how much time how lapsed um and to compare the two ways of thinking she exposing shoe non linguistic [noise] um what was it irrelevant distance the permission or irrelevant mountains commission and it said that <unk> linguistics <unk> accepted by the space i met a horse and the native languages um english speakers having they're asking us more heavily influenced by this information and greek speakers were more heavily influenced by irrelevant amount information you know district um disrupting their <unk> their amount of course the other interesting thing on this is uh after she did that initial art english speakers are trained to use greek like metaphor situation for example thinking instead of saying we get more is longer than a day seeing a week is more than a day and what she said or what the article says is that a niece that training result in a more greek like performance on non linguistic three generation estimation past so it was really interesting to think about that because we do <unk> think about time being linear and <unk> a long time or a short time using adjectives of links whereas in online or a different culture [noise] um yeah not lying or <unk> you think about it and amounts you could think of it and ah you know just different they're different um [noise] spectrums <unk> very year duration so i just wants to toss out that's really interesting yeah a good one yeah it's a good <unk> that's a nice that's a nice little solid sort of back and let them go main thing i think about it that you know the idea of having the your your <unk> you know having a <unk> mouth wonder what other things you could uh do what you <unk> i know there's <unk> there's there's a lot of different <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> get into um going back to like <unk> and like his his ideas i'm not gonna i'm just going to hit a couple of hike once like um well he's calling <unk> proper markers uh which is like you know where you can you can say on monday at twelve you know and that that's that's considered be like the same time and it's just like you're pointing out a point in time he says it's actually very common to have the thing that english has is just have a very simple <unk> expression used and you know in english we see that those are you know have these lexical restrictions where you say on monday at noon uh <unk> yeah into town court gene <unk> there's there's these weird sort of restrictions that take place too um and another thing that i found interesting he talks about <unk> um eighteen like extent <unk> okay that's a little this this this uh this uh <unk> technical but um it's like i waited for two hours um i think we've covered <unk> the a little bit yeah in various things and so and eight she'll lick her does offer that doesn't have like discreet and points and so <unk> extent would be uh how old are you mark the amount of time that an eight to look for her during and so in english we have the you you have this poor craze and he actually shows he's actually saying that that not all that common it's actually pretty common for you just to have like the the time listed <unk> no not nothing in particular introducing it any any english too i waited yeah yeah yeah yeah i think he mentioned like if if you have <unk> marketing it tends to be in deep you should have a choice but it's not like that all languages you don't have case marking it's just sick of the time in there so there's an interesting so my favorite hang up or <unk> or <unk> um <unk> famous for coming up with him one time um and in that book [noise] <unk> <unk> hundred [noise] um i'm not going to explain everything but the point in that thing [noise] that um that map lake we use the same way of expressing thing though year <unk> and are all connected and an english <unk> in in two thousand twelve in hole in january um shoo described it was um french using all for all of those japanese <unk> newspaper practically everything mhm um using urine month uses one thing what's interesting is that um hungarian seems to come crazy [laughter] and had separate way of expressing being excuse me someone tiniest hyper hours a day part like morning season and only have year and <unk> having the same shared expression wow [laughter] right so you know three o'clock on tuesday in the morning in the spring all of them will use different marking [noise] i mean i mean there's some different marking <unk> there's lots of fun to be had there as well and thinking about what each heated proposition or cake margaret <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> yeah that that in other words a minute or we'll just sort of interesting like walking express [noise] uh and uh i i noticed that you have this is <unk> i <unk> you were stolen <unk> yeah [laughter] [noise] that <unk> that regardless hi yes i know you you cited it properly it knocked plagiarism or anything like that but um it is it is an interesting um uh notion sort of uh the way people are ripping things together they make they make a sort of sense in the way that they're um group at least if you look at the two different sides where your season <unk> are ripping together empowered bay park and pay or bring together yeah um i don't i have like a lot of like little bits that i saw in the <unk> paper but um you guys found a lot of other stuff like that you have more things that you were going to mention yeah i've touched on some of them but um there's some really interesting things i was looking around for um articles and papers on space time as far as a couple that were there were okay but this one that i was talking about earlier [noise] the one by um <unk> um i really liked not too long such a heavy um after twenty of some book i'm not quite sure which but [noise] um so i've [noise] in the notes i've uh summarize each of the sections there aren't that many dog like six sections in there [noise] um so she talks about and beginning roxy summarizes and then the actually the time like you mentioned earlier <unk> um [noise] they mentioned that whereas english is more <unk> more horizontal um oriented time uh <unk> uh <unk> i'm chinese uses more vertical mentions in here it says um <unk> more like you're talking about i'm bert critical metaphors <unk> uh english speakers so it's a test that um what was the i think they just they they analyze how quickly they responded based on certain <unk> certain orientations i believe it i think that was that one we just make sure um [noise] yeah so <unk> basically they proficiency um and they had for example native speakers and it it meant native english speakers native <unk> arrange <unk> pictures and the <unk> the time and english because never did um and then the more efficient [noise] excuse me when they were <unk> they <unk> they assess how often the men are did radical horizontal lunch um state talk about several different studies here and it's really interesting to see that kind of different stuff they say habits you not vertical access use and the <unk> yeah um yeah yeah a key thing i want to emphasize here is like when when you're doing a con like especially if you want to make it look natural uh don't don't be don't be thinking in a in a way of saying okay english english is horizontal and men are is vertical manner and has more vertical climate of course the english thoughts and um if you start learning mandarin you'll <unk> you'll find those very quickly like um [noise] things like <unk> yeah yeah yeah i i mentioned um <unk> a lot of <unk> up and down especially with things like um like months and ah weeks things like that um but they also have the they also have <unk> back then they have um the the the commentary where um uh <unk> <unk> means boats <unk> and pass and then home meets boat back in future so they have they have the the two different actually they just use one a little bit more often than english what would happen to do so when people are doing <unk> i think uh this is one place where you don't want to necessarily make one choice sick with the <unk> uh uh uh especially if you're doing national if you're wanting to do something that's like <unk> maybe you want to pick the most common metaphor or something like that but if you're doing something that's that's trying to be natural naturalistic it's uh probably you want to sort of get an idea of what kind of makes you want and then <unk> as your and maybe maybe you know if you you you wanna ride a whole lot of stuff about how your language handles time and do a whole lot of different different things in different places mhm yeah i did <unk> did you want naturalistic i agree most i yeah i think there was some hot springs <unk> roms so which uh try to claim that it was more rational because it had completely separate propositions for a number of expressions of time mhm that wildly unlikely now for me in my personal version of english i almost never used before or anything except time that's true you can sit and like you said before the king um that i would say easter <unk> so we still have some things that are <unk> they derived from location expression that are now pretty much only use for time it's kind of a <unk> juice yeah but to have an entire <unk> hello i'm <unk> your time screams alien and if you want to make them <unk> uh one thing that has <unk> mentioned was that the time expressions tend to be when you said they tend to be older and work for medical laws yeah so that that's an idea that you can think of is like um you know make make uh something you know make the make the um the do something like make the worker pass be like a form of <unk> like lump together hospitalized at some point they'll language earlier or something like that there there's many different ways you can do it and he has examples from different languages that you could look at if you're familiar really weren't this murders languages where you want to do a little extra research and see about what kinds of what ways that you could see that they are more dramatic <unk> writing so a lot of <unk> you know like what a lot of these it's always gonna be about the mix rammed his language absolutely <unk> absolutely did not do this and so anything well thirty percent or whatever [noise] didn't matter for and the rest of <unk> different very into that so that even like rosie mhm yeah um gone through this little chapter article p._b._s. um they talk on motion and time which it was um was it was interesting the mention that um mandarin fairly you mentioned there's time moving and those eagle movie metaphors [laughter] um where you either either the the <unk> or the observer as travelling through time or <unk> <unk> and see her sunday observer mhm um and they mentioned that um they said that men during <unk> once whereas english <unk> on email me ones um and i don't they don't really get too much um evidence of too much of where that came from but it's such a thing that you don't have to have just strictly one or the other like were mentioning earlier you can switch it up and have one that they tend to prefer and one that might be for certain situations or certain like if you're telling a story for a certain voice a certain kind of [noise] my market situation where you side um yeah <unk> yeah this thing but yeah that sort of like um mhm <unk> <unk> you could think um <unk> if you if you want to admit image the difference between hi moving in he'd go moving um is time to time be considered a river working it'd be considered that that you're sort of passionately on a boat nope sorry no that's wrong one thing that that is time like a river or is it like a pack or you are you going through timers <unk> going <unk> in um one of the other <unk> found the <unk> teacher cat in iraq i think that's the name um did you give it a nice little uh nice little diagram for time movie metaphors versus <unk> purses <unk> force as an example in english some exams up the eagle moving metaphor are i'm going to do that i am the person i'm going to do that for the church uh-huh crushing holidays must go forward plan right right up the point just passed right examples of this i'm moving ones are the years to come over the years gone by the holidays are coming fast <unk> follows day where the time is actually doing the moving and the observers more stationary um you know <unk> <unk> actually that's a better thing than than when i was thinking i was making something opera i didn't realize it was bad example when i [laughter] yeah and it happens for a lot again like the russian conception let a horse in english you know states like being happy or sad or i didn't think that come upon those or things that we enter ourselves so again <unk> motion well there's lots of emotions that you can do um at any given language is going to use <unk> mixed degree [noise] mhm mhm i think i think um if you're wanting to get like i've seen going with a language and you're wanting but at least to to get my idea um they use one or more than another [noise] sort of get an idea of what the associations are if you're if you're <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> medical wars the future is usually going to be in front of you if you're focusing on time moving metaphors the passes usually going to be an <unk> that's that's uh those those sorts of things and i'm moving about a cores that may actually lend itself war too you know up and down because grab the gravity is sort of an <unk> directed motion but i don't know but [noise] so i mean it was interesting with the motion time um how time whether you are moving with any <unk> near the time or whether it's time is moving asked you and you are stationary i think it's just you just there are different ways to express that you can have some of one some of the other and it can be wildly on one or the other <unk> um last well there were three more sections on they're already touched so last too but um if i were um jump out refreshing destruction of time so they say one factor and i mentioned about this earlier one section that affects the perceived extra time ah the author writes <unk> linguists rights [noise] is that people who tend to read text arrange left right <unk> right and people who read <unk> rights left like arabic hebrew arrange time from bites left and they said that this <unk> picturing arrangement <unk> yeah i'm in uh <unk> what you talk about before the picture a recluse somewhat but it's different um it mentions also when they're <unk> like when they're talking in there um how do you listen to justice points on the body and also a non linguistics facial associate and asked [noise] so what what they're going to say here is that um english and spanish put the <unk> on the observer and the future at but they say and i'm laura patterns versed in the future it's touchy behind the observer it well <unk> <unk> um and that that that's really gestures mattress to direct <unk> uh uh the language itself that yeah they look over their shoulders and they're talking about the future [noise] well they say what to talk about the past yeah i'm <unk> i'm talking about future it's just beyond them striking russell from the difference in english and spanish but i was kinda interesting now that that's an interesting thing because now i could see it's it's a future as unknown you <unk> you can't see behind you so i could see where that could logically cop out and you already know what's happening asked you to see it in front of you [noise] <unk> but and that's that's not their place we're you're <unk> we're we're we can think of a mixture because like um english linguistically we have both things we have the the sort of <unk> that are sort of related to front and back in the way um the the passes occurrence view but when we gesture toward the future we gesture in front of us and when we <unk> <unk> and we often make make things will say things like where we're moving forward into the future things like that so it it could have been like there was a historical change at some point where we change the way we tended to think about crime um or you know it could just be like the gestures the gestures or not necessarily going to match up what what the language is always doing or you know that there's a whole lot of directions that people could go here especially [laughter] man idol that last year was that they that the whole thing that the the thing is about but i mean like there there's extra decisions to be made what's your <unk> outside of <unk> going into <unk> culture and things like <unk> gestures and all that <unk> yeah and it's interesting like if you think about it like if i think about say your workout calling you wanna try out refreshing to do extra change instead of forward front <unk> top to bottom think about telling a story and what you're going to lay gesture like like next week and you might do a forward awkward your hand or last week and you might gesture your hands and backwards <unk> think about if you're <unk> up and down for that and that kind of <unk> i feel that you know that really weird strange foreign <unk> um of using i guess uh an orientation and i'm not familiar with it so that's the way you can kind of test the borders a bit and see how it might be if they were doing something in a different way i think yeah i think i could like if i was lifting events i could go like i could like be just drink like put my hand <unk> and have it coming down one by one like i'm reading a schedule yeah but if i were saying like yesterday and i pointed down that'd be weird for me yeah that are out of a little odd but like i said next week and i <unk> rose my hand up for it i mean not that feels very strange but it it you know in other cultures um <unk> i'd be interested to see if culture that wrote exclusively critically i know there are like chinese and japanese that right vertically but they also can write horizontally but i'd be <unk> culture that was not exposed to left right writing um how they you know not <unk> well i mean chinese <unk> mostly burger quicker a long time mhm we'll have to go talk to them on no there wasn't anything [noise] [noise] oh yeah how about you know and and like <unk> or <unk> or <unk> if you get <unk> and there's not enough and they're probably not enough that are not bilingual right mhm [laughter] [noise] so um you're the last couple of <unk> um sections of this they mentioned the racial shut talked about earlier where the with the creek in the english um that was interesting and then the last one was the athletes face thing where the mention um you know where the map australian <unk> communities um up or um i'll [noise] um where i'm like english that language not <unk> left and right but they use less south east west and um it says what they do is um the kind of like i was mentioning earlier it depends on which way they're facing and it's interesting because they weren't they weren't necessarily told you say you're facing north and south just as they were doing it they arranged on how they naturally rains them [noise] so um basically it says here what is it um this is true even though we never told any subject with stress which direction they faced um they're not only knew that already but they all spontaneously use <unk> so they weren't prompted to <unk> to put them in a certain orientation on the ground or however they were or are ordering them [noise] but it was just really interesting to read about that the things about other wages are not one dimensional in terms of like last writer in a line but how you could do it part of the company or <unk> or a close friend further and again like mentioned earlier <unk> so she she is that like [noise] or some language community that use radio century or went from closer to being oppressed and further away being the future or past it'd be interesting to see how that change things uh-huh so that pretty much wraps up the er the sections of the chocolate thought it was really interesting and a lot of great um great points are like oh okay i can understand that i really i really want someone to i mean you were talking about like gestures and arranging pictures and things i think i want to now see if anyone has done work with those <unk> that those kinds of languages and finding out what their cognitive metaphors they use in the language are relating to time because that would be interesting if they also had <unk> east or west thing but uh you know but they could be that would be other things but they do um so i think that is about moment we can [noise] ah it was a lot of stuff to talk about and [noise] we just don't have time to go through all of a thing so we will we will all of a thing on leagues and read the whole thing [noise] [noise] [laughter] [noise] so that that will be ah that that could be good then again somebody make a language first start fish and then figure out how they're [laughter] [noise] all right ah anybody have any final closing cleaning [noise] say before we end episode [noise] company did well all right and i'm going to say happy <unk> thank you for listening to con lingering you could find our archives of sure knows that con winery dot com you can send comments or topic or featured language suggestions online agree i'd email dot com [noise] to submit a con langhorn that line greedy from the top of that show [noise] c. r. contribute hatred detailed [noise] web space for <unk> by the language creation society and our team music is by known device [noise]

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