Conlangery #105: Navajo/Diné (natlang)

Conlangery #105: Navajo/Diné (natlang)

Published: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 05:00:23 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 the country yeah <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> [noise] what comes to con learning the <unk> and the people who create them i'm toward correlate with me down the road wages man that's already [noise] and uh mike will not be here today he's had some scheduling issues so didn't make the recording [noise] um [noise] today um well first how're you doing [laughter] you were a vest [laughter] following doing all right um i am now editing d._c. <unk> journal that you know l._t._s. it's at once a month if everyone anyone wants to write a paper let me know okay and i will help sheppard guide and provide editorial record recommendations and <unk> that's what i was oh six or doing fine for me too i'm i am mecca deep and uh phonology research and also still married and still married but yes i have i have an allergy and should text researched them doing that just like reading reading tons of papers <unk> data what you look at actual data well um i will look at actual data once i collect <unk> i am i i do have <unk> uh projects where i'm planning to collect data i just need to you know get get down what my procedure is what materials i'm going to use and also yeah i or be stuff done and all that stuff i oh god i resent [noise] our <unk> not not particularly difficult for those things i'm going to do because like surveys do little bit of a recording but like most linguistics uh <unk> not is not really going to have too much much issue with the <unk> 'cause usually you don't especially like experimental stuff the only times that it gets to be a pain from what i understand is like if you're working with um certain minority groups like if you're working on native american languages right it's like you have to you have to uh deal with a higher standard and also uh a lot of times you have to get some approval from the <unk> government things like that but i'm not doing any of that work i'm doing some spanish stopping some chinese stuff right now uh i may do branch out into other things later ah but yes p._h._d. grad school is is a lot of stuff [noise] yeah that's that's excellent works for that [laughter] but um anyway we are actually on coddling or today going to talk about a native american language specifically we're going to talk about <unk> um well you <unk> you know a lot more about it than me 'cause you've read like several books on it and such had tried to learn it but it's hard to do <unk> overrun by now though speakers don't surprise you know although um so i did a little bit of background uh research um with <unk> it is um it's a bath a basket language um uh looking at a couple of sources looks like there are over a hundred thousand speakers yeah um so those are like census numbers which ourself report it so it's hard to tell like the way that would suck reported it's hard to tell like he could be over under by a certain amount because of you know people reporting that they speak the language when they are maybe semi speakers or something sure uh but um out of the native american languages in north america leash um it's one of the house here one the health yes yes it's it's more than any other in um yeah the united states you know in north in canada there might be some that are stronger but in the united states <unk> far away the the best um health a number speakers a number of kids to learn to get from childhood yes although it's still not like it's not like safe no none of them are safe that's <unk> it's it's one one thing i was looking at said that it is sort of losing speakers and uh it's not it's not necessarily used at home as much as uh some people would hope but uh it's it's still uh reasonably healthy ah which is more of them can be said for a lot of those languages but um let's get into more of the uh sort of linguistics side of things and talk about the actual language um ah william i'm gonna let you take over for a bit and you you you can um you can uh you can talk about old be wonderful but so you're right so <unk> right at the baskin language which means that it has um an enormous abundance of <unk> [noise] [noise] um that is to say things pronounced tongue em [noise] at the church so it's very disappointing the not the whole language rickety article used to be very good and nice and long but someone decided that that was against some obscure <unk> short and not terribly informative frank i'm going to interview me phonology chart and some of them have plain lateral uh africa and how to l._v. older ah aspirin aspirin objective stops for everything so you have to ah ah ah ah etcetera etcetera yeah um it's this sounds it only has uh the plane pete it doesn't have aspirin or objective <unk> yeah there's the <unk> very um [noise] not website it of course because it's <unk> um and it's the an aspirin inside is always felt the [laughter] right so they sell uh the i._n._s. rated with boys even though it doesn't have voice stops [laughter] well uh i could get into that but let's let's just not have voice stop sony right i'm sure there's lots of those and it can get a little confusing sometimes you're trying to learn a new urban all of them are tea or and uh some writing uh-huh <unk> um <unk> that are listed is <unk> are kind of <unk> but for um the plane <unk> and for them either really those are africa with so that worked for water is not <unk> oh okay um so that in mind um it has a few little objectives not too many uh <unk> uh <unk> and um the viewers which came from the parent language from uh <unk> oh and then i think the planes in the <unk> language turned into the show series i forget um um <unk> the historical linguistics of all of these um related languages i patches which is very close to <unk> for your way and then you know you get way into that in order to have them asking languages [noise] can be hurt or sometimes to to to see the relationship um in the past there has not been really a whole lot of good information about now the whole online except papers that talk about now though because it's the best described um native american language uh probably um and it is truly just unusual in many ways uh for most linguists it gets lots and lots of papers people like to write papers about no [noise] mhm what they write many fewer of his textbooks yes um however a few years ago uh one that was written in nineteen seventy two appeared at our <unk> oregon and we were lucky because it was produced by the u._s. indian service which means that cannot be copyrighted yes um several ever leave to that are kind of oregon and for him to be an income that is absolutely the number one best um thing to check it goes very systematically sue lots of stuff [noise] much which is fascinating and which we will not get here well not talking about today yes there's too much of it there are also a lot of these papers are publicly available i found a few different ones ah a <unk> few different papers the one i want to call out though yeah and well have links to all of the stuff on the show nuts is um [noise] this one that's uh <unk> uh lockport um <unk> <unk> and um [noise] uh verbs dams and ah so one of the things william i'm sure you're very familiar with the the what is the aspect it's like aspect jaw burp stems right like there's um how i don't have to there's there's like him perfect different perspective <unk> right tom uh future <unk> enough to do yeah they get all the cold mode in <unk> study uh-huh they sort of <unk> tense aspect in the mood um yeah yeah but anyway case there are these different morphological verbs dams and um the the reason i'm liking this paper they did sort of a confrontational analysis but um the main thing that i i want people to focus on with that paper is they were doing analysis and they found <unk> what people already sort of knew is that there's not really any like easy rule to choose which <unk> what alter nations occur it's not fun to logical or any in any way and not not predictable that way uh so <unk> they sort of have to be uh like memorized however um they did an analysis that sort of is meant to simulate ah to simulate like an analogy process in order to say okay this this this them sounds a little bit like this them so maybe the maybe the other form of it will be the same and that that was able to predict the the forms a lot better so the take away from this uh is that really one thing that uh you want might want to be looking at <unk> and i think we've we've mentioned this kind of thing before is using that sort of and logical thinking whenever you're building a system that's going to have a lot of irregularity um in order to sort of sort of uh be like okay you get sort of like a uh a gift shop idea of these two forms are similar so maybe they'll share another war and that you know obviously <unk> stems seemed to be working this way [laughter] [noise] ah yeah they're really confusing um since we've talked about these uh well right um so i found right there's this great book available online and i recommend anyone who's curious about well even if you're not seeing the curious about go read it anyway because it's fascinating um hit talks in much better detail um then you're going to find anywhere else short of buying monstrous extensive books [noise] and it's just interesting i needed anything from it simply even if you know decide to go with the towering in terrifying um edit <unk> [laughter] um okay so there's that and then they found another paper which i recommend which is what's it called the derivation of meaning and then all of a ho for [noise] this is the most interesting stuff for me it's a <unk> is this way that they take very simple ribs and extend the meeting and very um various kinds of <unk> [noise] um and it's just an interesting way of thinking about <unk> ways to think about things differently [noise] um and so i was going to include them into that um it has i mean that's starting i paid five is really interesting discussion about how the the root <unk> had the base meaning of after they <unk> like object or loop mhm [noise] um so when they had um uh uh carrying the water buckets <unk> handle or last sewing something or catching a fish on the line um but then when horse drug vehicles appear to the culture they included that's you mean cry because you use rain mhm um and then when the automobiles they extended it and again despite the fact that there was no rope mhm um and scale you know like weighing things which are the old fashioned alice ones so wait weighing things now has to do with this <unk> which remember back in the beginning low just referred to you know working with uh [noise] um or rope so there's <unk> in terms of uh coming up with new ways of thinking about how to work with your basic roots you have idiomatic meetings or stretch this meanings out a little bit navajos great weight most i mean there are lots of other languages that would be good for this but it's a little bit easier to find [noise] documentation although then lots of other languages [noise] yeah i i found a couple of things in this paper that sort of caught my eye um there was this um ah um root uh it says handle a single round are solid or compact object but it <unk> it has it extends to the movement of the sun sure well i had a whole section set out to talk about those classical river so we'll get to those <unk> oh okay alright can we can practice so one really interesting thing about <unk> and most of the gas mask and family is that it has very few <unk> now <unk> because it is so easy and most of these languages deterrent verb phrases engine down that's the normal way of adding if a calculator to language [noise] um so when you look at these dictionaries you will see or e. at the end a lot and it represents the fact that some phrase has been turned into and out um what was going to say um but the list of <unk> that was pretty interesting to the textbook example that i have a list of most of them [laughter] um so uh in terms of derivation um you get things uh like um <unk> for teacher which means someone who um teaches others gun but as bowl um with it you make an explosion that peace is it <unk> which means something that you <unk> and so and so forth um thinking it quite long um the words for tank is kind of infamous <unk> huge um which i'm just not gonna bother with here [laughter] let's see 'cause i can't produce now though at that speed most of the <unk> um whoa what other things i've talked to before on the show is this business of um the role of intimacy inward order so in a transit clause in which both the subject in the object or mentioned mhm um the most highly animate thing has to come first yes um that's not you mentioned that several times i think on <unk> yeah right and among older speakers um there are eight levels of intimacy but um that's breaking down a little bit alright and the way this is handled if you have something of lower intimacy performing an act of living is higher intimacy like for example a horse kicking a human being than um there's an ultra nation in the verb morphology indicate that has happened oh <unk> <unk> ah sometimes you get called inverse voice uh-huh and that's how that's all handled again lots of documentation that online um it's kind of tricky people like to argue about it we're not going to go into details here other than to mention it as an interesting possibility yeah um so because it's a desk and language the rest of the show i'm just got to talk about verbs [laughter] [noise] um yes temp political system which means that there's a template lots of slots ten or eleven twelve depending i help with the urban and uh and any given verbal have multiple slots filled mhm i can't imagine ever seen it where it has all of them field but if you will be so so and <unk> things happen [noise] some of those <unk> subject object certain kinds of proposition of phrases get grabbed indian become part of the <unk> complex um various markers for aspect so in addition to using a particular um <unk> you have to pick the right prefix oh to go with it [noise] um and a whole bunch of other things that um indicate various subjects sometimes surprisingly several shades and meaning okay uh get worked entities so that you can you know drive just very <unk> now it's not clear if the average job of her speakers thinking about their research this way [laughter] most of the time probably just certain patterns or memorized what what's interesting is that subject object marking oh appears in surprisingly diverse places um in any given to her and if you look at an album dictionary they will be in uh in addition to all the definitions that occur um there'll be lots of information of stays type bars with asked church too that you know which herbs um how they're <unk> er <unk> <unk> <unk> where you have the you know the different positions where the the sort of slots where you know <unk> more fumes belong in the slot or something that's like a very popular model for native american languages and it couldn't be useful i think we're kind of language who are doing doing a very complex sort of <unk> of herb system but you know how real that is within you know people's minds that's just like an entirely different question right not it's not like it's not necessarily like people will have a chart inside their heads and [noise] to some extent you might want to um not want to um get too caught up in following at a template truck like that you might want to sort of use it as a tool to ski mount prefer but maybe add some little irregularities where some things can be in one way or another slot things like that you know 'cause the reason it <unk> it was because they're not one or two little irregularities there are lots of them yes so not move into different <unk> only with some countries <unk> and the others um there is a distinction between <unk> and this junk pre sixes and some of them are extremely restricted and phonology and get crushed in various ways mhm some disappear in a lead a total change bond mhm um so it can get quite complex uh oh we didn't really we didn't get <unk> you talked about all the constants but like uh there's there's horror vowels like this the square value system that contrast on <unk> too yeah and you have <unk> higher low tone and right they can all come by so you can get you know a high tone is wise level [noise] and that leads to huh same crazy time credits yes lots of an older sister type um this uh i mean it's pretty standard ah and yeah <unk> represents hi tim and an ogre neck to little tail on the bowel represents tasteless <unk> your [noise] um i just wanted to to mentioned <unk> right sort of completed we won't go into a whole whole lot detail um it's actually sort of interesting in the <unk> <unk> there's a pretty restrict instead of constants that occur there you can really you can't have you checked tips for example um where's the district hudson's wish occur for this job prefix was can have a wider range of things going on and tell us ten you tell us really quick what what is what are those terms because those those are her that you know would be common in some native american languages but maybe somewhere listen to this wouldn't be familiar with i think they're just a way to say these <unk> all sorts of horrible phonetic things happen too and these other set retainer identity pretty strongly okay so the ones that are closer to them or or the <unk> and horrible things happen to them okay all right that's all that means [laughter] um [noise] and this is what you expect overtime right the thing that had been associated with the verb complex for longer get whittled down overtime uh-huh some distinctions that might be made might disappear um whereas things that are newer to being part of urban [noise] um retain more of their originally yeah mhm mhm [noise] um if you start reading about um uh any of the at the baskin languages they talk about stem classify yours which is really annoying [noise] they don't classify anything they refer to <unk> see it's the verb is you know positive <unk> that sort of stuff is what's going on over there it's just any time you you are studying our language it's been studied for a long time to get develop their own terminology for describing things yeah yeah um and of course that's classified was also cause all sorts of horrible things to happen [laughter] [laughter] um [noise] just to sort of an interesting thing to note um you're pronouns are divided into singular and dual or plural mhm and the <unk> working is the same sometimes that marking can be used to represent the collect <unk> most of the time there's a third position slapped in the template <unk> um which indicates three or more subject or objects oh okay that is sort of a distribute it for [noise] um most of the time for paradise running things that will just complete <unk> did alter where things happened it from time to time yeah i was seeing terms and i was seeing terms and the things i was looking at the throughout plural one distribute the world right right that it should be the <unk> ah prefix which is affected <unk> is not use much except if you don't unless you actually do mean too [laughter] and very occasionally as sort of a collective <unk> it's not really but she was for that [noise] um [noise] what um there are a few verbs em they have numbers position that is entirely different <unk> stems or years depending on the number of either the subject or the object depending on the <unk> [laughter] [noise] there are too many of the uh i wouldn't expect it to me and uh so for the insurance if we have like um to go out so he went out if she in the uh the two of them without is <unk> uh <unk> and the three of them went out check guy so even though the pronoun system does not distinguish systematically sing uh do <unk> the <unk> and these particular instance mhm um and there's a smaller set of translators that tentative verbs that distinguish the number of any direct object uh you know and that's the pattern you expect when you get numbers depletion <unk> agree with the subject [noise] trans degrees the object so it's kind of this hunky um [noise] [noise] are good i mean like [noise] i was looking at that i'm like <unk> for number when you say that that's that's that's sounds funny until you realize like english than that for her to be on like <unk> the different stuff yeah yeah but you know you get sick when it's all <unk> man no person it's not just number though yeah yeah but um [noise] so it's not that unusual that's not that i'm weird from our own perspective but um i don't know it's interesting [noise] right um we've talked a little bit about the <unk> which are a mix of tense aspect and um <unk> <unk> for different things in addition to that there are twelve aspects mhm which interact with the mood which <unk> which are aspects you will and grace complicated no one verb is going to have all of these movies would aspects ever <unk> uh often they won't make sense [laughter] um right like one of the aspects the several effective which refers to taking a single step in a complex series yeah such as <unk> fish which means i play [noise] okay um there's a diversity aspect which indicates that movement is taking place here and there so uh what are these <unk> i spent the summer in phoenix doing odd jobs okay um and then there's something which i always found funny because the name amuses me called the curse of aspect um which just means that the action takes place along the line to either time or space mm so i was walking along or continue or so and so forth so that means i mean i have several books devoted just to figuring up <unk> uh-huh i have one that's very scholarly and it's impossible to use [laughter] i have a nicer one which is actually designed for people who've tried to learn a language which is much it's less dense but it's much it's a much better read right all right so another thing that gets mentioned a lot for him to death of asking languages and <unk> as always that's a little bit more of the question they asked about seeing languages [noise] is it has uh verbs that classify um they're correct object okay and they will be three separate stems one for handling items for verbs like harry put take give that sort of stuff um and that those handle verbs are all to use to refer to describe items at rest or that are being kept moving um there's another set of <unk> refer to propelling things setting them in motion and yet another set of stems relating to things that are flying or otherwise moving independently okay so i'm not on the internet when they talk about oh never heard of these crazy classical story verbs only gives the handlebars when in fact there are propellant fly there's like three there's a parallel sequence of these things huh okay sometimes there are relationships sometimes there are not between the rich alright so this is really interesting we've talked about a number classify hours before many times and some aspects of this resembles that except it determines the verb that you're using yes this uh this is what i would <unk> jumping it had on a little earlier yeah the a lot of it is like <unk> going on right so let's just go through the list and talk about some of the traditional conventional items so the first one is four solid or come back around dish hard objects mhm ball bottle apple coins more surprisingly things like books or songs or news <unk> are also classified that way um there's a non compact <unk> matter excuse me which are for things that are <unk> like in shape or amorphous in texture mm ah like a lot of hair a wig cloud steam <unk> even a bad smell mhm um mushy matter which is for lard dough scrambled eggs and it's also used by extension for things that are kind of decrepit like a <unk> a flower or um i heard a story once about some guy who was paralyzed in a war and he used that to refer to himself that sort of a joke to ease tension in uh <unk> uh political um like a a council meeting um so people can play with these things it's not like it's very formal thing there's a little bit of self awareness about he's okay single flat flexible objects like sheets of paper towels and so on um i thought the the slender flexible object was interesting can refer to either to inanimate or anything so strings belts <unk> snakes [laughter] um but it also includes things that compares socks scissors even cross legs yeah oh wow okay that's interesting and it also can refer to it conglomerate of throw objects that go together naturally so like the constellation or heard of animals um or everything that was taken into berkley [laughter] right on the uh uh a group of things that go together and actually our spoken oh with the sunday flexible object classified verbs <unk> like it's sort of expanded out in terms of its meeting right either expand it out or <unk> represents <unk> blending of separate ones constantly <unk> um although i'm sure some would have studied it to find out [laughter] <unk> objects brooms place so and so forth single animate object alive or dead um put it all sorts of things that look like living things for like a doll mhm load backward burden is for big heavy things um but also some smaller things like a spoonful of something or medicine <unk> this is an interesting one to me and it comes up in a number of native american language that do this a verb classifying anything an open container huh plus of water <unk> food box of apples a course in a coffin or dirt on a shovel oh okay <unk> <unk> that is interesting it's <unk> it's interesting whenever you see any of these <unk> our systems um to see what ends up being group into them yeah it's it's sort of reminds me of like when i was working chinese and seeing really unexpected um math brings with a class of fires like um <unk> <unk> the numerous lots of fires and those are those are all classes cross the fires on you know numerals mouths and like i <unk> i remember um again this is in <unk> shall meaning like a long stint object sometimes can refer can be used where uh dog go things like that so it's interesting to see how sometimes like we might be able to identify some sort of core meaning to these things but sometimes the mapping might [noise] at least on the surface look really arbitrary right um we'd have to like think like historically or something to figure out how that happened uh what was interesting about the open container class far is that the <unk> version <unk> um and it also refers to just sort of things generally spreading ouch mhm so the idea that anything that open container that's being propelled it's going to be scattered oh okay yeah so that i mean there's a uh a semantic relationship there that sort of interesting [noise] um so next rather confusing <unk> another who has two separate classify <unk> plural objects [laughter] the first one is for a variety of separate will objects things that are big enough to recognize as being sort of individually counted hey boxes cats whatever um and then the second one unfortunately include some things you'd expect to be in the first said but um it also includes uh collections of smaller things mhm mm um and then uh robert young who wrote the book itself in this for um includes um matter didn't move to spice streaming so things that can be bored or raped or pushed around um like ashes or water <unk> somewhat similar to these classes for classic guitarist verbs but is missing some part mhm [noise] okay so that was really interesting to me the first time i found it years and years ago and remains interesting to me that everything is spoken it this way and it it <unk> with the rest of the language and interesting ways so that for example you can say <unk> to me the tobacco to someone mhm and depending on your shoes we'll say whether you mean the tobacco leaf whether you mean a pouch full of tobacco whether you need a box of cigars whether you mean to single cigarette oh that's interesting right so you can have similar under specified now because you're verbs going to make very clear what it is you're talking about when you're handling things right right you're <unk> it's basically putting the the contract somewhere else right um [noise] that's interesting um generally talk about also um er this paper you mentioned that <unk> who are it's the robert young paper <unk> meaning in the <unk> she actually cox block about his his talking a lot about these uh class or fires but talking about figured of meanings shorter now like i <unk> caught my eye was well one one is that there's the the um the handling a single round dish solid or compaq object so that's like your solid round object to handle berber brat kim refer to the movement of the sun yep and like there is there's all these figured of extensions prevent so like the cell the drunk <unk> one of those <unk> also used for the base of are poor to see wow 'cause you're eyeballs or involved [laughter] but i was i was um i was not cocky looking at this and like oh one of the the interesting ones is like you could put like a positive onto that yeah and you're you're causing the sun movement and it refers to like um you know changing like deadlines or things like um it said yesterday the trader declared that my pond period on my ring was basically and it's using he caused the sunset right on on you know you know on the on the <unk> it's sort of like you it's it's sort of like taking that metaphor in there and uh you know normally there wouldn't be any reason to put a cosby i belong to any kind of movement of the sun so it's interesting that sort of that comes in with a bigger demeaning yeah there's i mean not oh using these figured it means all the time yeah um extensively pervasive lee um to such a degree that sometimes very funny things happen um [noise] let me see if i couldn't find it is in a book again robert young but i have um he talks about the sort of derivation of process um and he talks about the verbs for rotten [laughter] so singular run verbs are derived from a single <unk> the base meaning of which is flex or bed with no classify or the verb thing is produced and this theme that combination or the <unk> apart derives divert based on <unk> with the meaning bend depart become disjointed okay um as in uh she <unk> my our became just don't like that [noise] with the <unk> classify her depend seems trenton devised acquired demeaning cause to bed and again in combination with <unk> the <unk> is generated with meaning caused a bender flex apart break watch boxing mhm [noise] with el class a fire the cosby transit theme becomes media passive serving to drive constructions in which the subject object or the same so flexing then is the metaphor fort run an action performed by flexing the lakes [noise] oh so <unk> um let me see i get this right gee oh taught that animal the boy he ran out of school okay [laughter] um so that's from one got running okay so do run is derived somewhat <unk> that's his language [laughter] as a matter for but she wanted which the two subjects are literally described as chasing each other [noise] and the transit <unk> or <unk> um and it's mental variance carry the meaning flee as in uh <unk> uh oh god oh neat <unk> i flip the cave um slick classify produces it causes of trends if seemed to chase um when the direct object because at transit thing is reciprocal hockey each other the l. classify replaces <unk> takes the shape blah blah blah um this theme carries the figure demeaning do wrong so the two boys are running uh-huh is the two boys are chasing each other down the road okay so completely different <unk> one person running takes a completely different expression from two people running [noise] that's very interesting and also like you don't really expect run to be like that right [laughter] so 'cause it seems like it would be such a very common <unk> that people will just crap but apparently that very interesting regularity there yeah so did i when i first read that i was so flabbergasted that i made a block posted about it [laughter] he was just talking to talking about this stuff and it's really interesting i mean all the ways in which i mean now the <unk> the <unk> present such formidable challenges in sort of analyzing an understanding of the first place [noise] the people trying to write things and it's like oh my god what's going on and so because it's hard always know what's going on all of these metaphorical extensions idiomatic extensions has to be discussed uh-huh and so they tend to be presented more up front then you might see in other discussions of language and this <unk> right so there is an indefinite object um prefix um sometimes it's sometimes just a global stop um in refers to something or somewhere specified and so you could say <unk> which means the boys eating something you don't know why [noise] however if she wants to be polite the indefinite function also says if you're in need to talk about <unk> [laughter] [laughter] okay right so uh shot in the means i have <unk> which means something hurt about me who apparently though because you need to be a little bit more polite um interestingly the language also has a prefix which [noise] sort of act like an aerial direct object [noise] mhm so if you're talking about um [noise] bases so cold in the whole needle which means it's hot in here uh-huh um and and other sorts of things that allows you to talk about uh spaces as it fills in the same slot as um other pronouns so it's an interesting um thing going on there too yeah um i just wanted to throw him another one of these ones that i found it the other <unk> uh with a lot just because i thought it was interesting is so rip terror ah burst that one yet some interesting sort of extensions um <unk> <unk> what is like my newspapers subscription expired so it was like corn <unk> now that's expired i plowed my field that makes sense you know i <unk> the the ground sure um and then my employer flew into a rage at me uh it's <unk> <unk> something awful himself oh that's interesting [laughter] oh this one's awesome [noise] oh so talking about the the the all issue in um [noise] that the sun movement one [noise] no yeah there's some of that one um [noise] uh <unk> <unk> <unk> i'm plotting against him literally i've started to carry his death along yes okay yeah i love that one a lot [laughter] [noise] but i did i got into an argument with the teacher literally i rubbed words against each other with the teacher [laughter] yeah so anyway the long long story short there's lots of ways that just sort of it's it's really sort of uh a grammatical future gets gets but yes a lot of secretive idiomatic you [noise] so right and they had these little <unk> single syllable at the end of the word and literally hundreds of other <unk> could happen doing yes changing kansas city changing aspect in various ways interacting with kind of <unk> elements kind ah for a position of elements so enormous amounts of meeting or drawn out of sometimes quite simple sevens alright that was a lot of good information ah william and ah the corporate guys are are there any other sort of cops you want to talk about was never home <unk> <unk> no i think really it's just uh uh if you can find good information on it and sometimes a little bit hard um but not if you have a good library get them oregon and young monstrous dictionary it's huge okay um so by yourself i did but it's it's a tourist town it's huge in the papers very thin and that you need a magnifying glass treated it's sort of marketable production but or get it on you can get it on c._d. or d._v._d. that's about it is loaded with historical information about the language page after page after page hundreds of historical roots how they relate to other after about ten languages and how they relate to know mhm so that's really valuable just to get an idea of how language change work um for me the most interesting thing about now though is just too inspiration not necessarily to um mimic directly but to get an idea for how differently you can go about taking a very simple roots and producing knew me [noise] many many interesting thing about somebody with me to go to here but that's the big thing just think about [noise] many different ways of constructing alexis [noise] there are deeper thing [noise] um the language has teach languages veteran [noise] language adventurous rather [noise] about how language actually worked [noise] um but that would require much longer rambling taught from william [noise] yeah [noise] and i i am [noise] we've done a little bit of that [noise] anyway so [noise] uh [noise] with that i'm uh i think we can wrap up [laughter] so um [noise] thank you [laughter] everyone for listening and [noise] i'm just gonna say how frequently thank you for listening to con lying or you can 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