Conlangery #107: Moten

Conlangery #107: Moten

Published: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 06:04:26 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 <unk> the <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> [noise] <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> [noise] and [noise] with me over in the netherlands we have <unk> [noise] <unk> oh i didn't look ben hello hello there um and um well you can't make it today he um uh we were scheduled to report and uh he came down with learned dry so um hopefully he'll be better yeah where do you have if you listen to this ah just rest and get the [laughter] yeah uh hopefully we better better by the time this i'd guess comes out rebel [noise] yeah um but ah anyway um uh before we get into things ah we're going to be talking about uh uh <unk> language ah <unk> <unk> but um uh where i went i went to a lake or um patriot on uh the owners are patrons uh if you want to um help support the show you can go to <unk> dot com slash <unk> up to twenty eight dollars a month [laughter] but i don't know that's not bad you know if if we can get up to ah if we can get up to a hundred well we i will be redoing the the site so that will be that would be a great thing to be able to get to um and ah more on that at the end uh so just by way of introduction cruise <unk> you've been on the show before christ stuff is we currently the president of the language creation society and uh he is here as the creator of the language <unk> uh why don't you sort of introduced uh <unk> and a little bit for us for so quickly <unk> it's basically one of the first language is that's <unk> that's not a complete faith you so you have to yeah basically um it's a one of the few languages i still have kept the notes or is that they created before <unk> joining the <unk> and i did that back in nineteen ninety seven so that they are do you how long ago was that that is mhm they see the <unk> it's a ration of the language <unk> when there was something that extra fifteen or sixteen years old i don't remember exactly but that's makes seats well i'm fifty eight so you you just a mess [laughter] it's like it's really uh basically when i joined the criminal <unk> back in ninety seven i uh introduced myself and my five languages that i have to work on and looked and it was basically the the fourth of them but it's also the one that that <unk> ah going back to most during uh aft after that even after <unk> other languages and doing all kinds of other things it's the one hour or west came back to because i'm ready to <unk> i don't know exactly why but i think it's uh uh from my early languages for the most <unk> and the the the ones that i really like the most and er a few yeah a few years ago i decided to er to start working exclusively on they just mhm to to raise it to win too true language with uh with <unk> that these could be used as an extra language which i have never done before with none of my language and i've been busy doing that for the past three four years yeah um and uh you can see uh we'll linked to uh uh resource blog um where he has um all of the uh grammar information in a series of post and uh it's quite a lot of information uh there's also a dictionary and um you've done like summer for the past several years yeah yeah i <unk> from the beginning so mhm so so far they've been uh check ah foreign <unk> events and among dissipated in order for them yeah great uh so they're great a great thing about the weather like somebody invites i ah encourage every corner <unk> oh that's much space when er when it's when they happen again would probably be in december again yeah i <unk> i try to participate a little bit last one but i uh ended up not being able to do the whole thing but uh i'm i'm gonna try to do it myself next year it's a it's a great thing every every december basically you create one word every day [noise] um the <unk> and there's a new one coming up happening now that they're calling verb brewery yeah right yes where they do they do on bourbon <unk> they do for specifically in february i need to ah get get more information on that one but uh more talking about <unk> um <unk> <unk> i um so i was reading through your materials and i had a few sort of comments and and um and stuff uh just i want to say i like your little concede about um basically you you have the sort of in world story that you made friends with a little boy that was founded belgium <unk> yeah and yeah and yeah go ahead sorry well no you go ahead if you have a <unk> basically to ah <unk> that's the thing is that's a motel and i'm not good at <unk> <unk> i'm ah i've tried that my my <unk> uh creating worlds where am i am i calling off could be spoken i'm just not good it's there's just too much in to uh to think about so <unk> most and i watch it from the beginning <unk> that's what language are really win but i wasn't either way to be able to create my vocabulary with outs concerning myself too much about the culture it's quite difficult because vocabulary dogs <unk> beach so that's how could i do that without having to think too hard about what type of people to speak more often and so i came up with that idea that's when ah in the world where mckinney spoken basically the there's only a single person in the world that's big seats uh negatively and that's <unk> [laughter] that makes it <unk> it's a <unk> he's a <unk> found in the countryside of <unk> in the in the nineties and this is a kind of ah ah during the nineties there were ah quite a few you at first sight things in the countryside bedroom so i use that <unk> that things for people who remember about over the over those news abide those <unk> that they could uh uh <unk> uh connect the dots and think oh maybe [laughter] yeah could be an <unk> oh i see i didn't even get <unk> no that's ah that's really an <unk> an inside joke for the people who remember those uh those news especially in <unk> ah we had a lot of about during the nineties oh okay mm that's that's interesting um yeah i don't know if you really had to make that can seat in order to to to avoid doing a lot of kahn world yeah that's it it's it's term yeah it's it's makes it more easy for me i don't have to give an excuse for why somewhere or how they all i just see what i don't know [laughter] [laughter] that's the [laughter] [laughter] to have to think about it which doesn't mean that i don't think about it when they create the vocabulary on the country but i don't have to actually create um food working culture for the language i can just leave some uh uh think of of how things could be um or rather i can try to uh work out how the structure may actually be based on the vocabulary instead of the other were wild so basically starting with the the phonology so your inventory is not so you know it's it's not a huge inventory no um <unk> fairly small but not that small uh you have like five basic vowels you have but <unk> but uh um just for <unk> um just um more interesting like you didn't don't have a whole lot of like straight up our funny but you do have some uh more uh <unk> one thing i just want to say so in your <unk> you use <unk> hi [laughter] or for pat levels and for africa gets wet gave you that idea uh the way i was when that was great when the created more than i am basically didn't have a computer that time so it's more uh it was all created by hand and uh when i <unk> i want you to have ah basically ah four they make <unk> which i could go to a <unk> because once again i don't know what the culture is of the the people who speak more than i don't have any idea whether they're literate and with uh or or how martin he's written in their ah language so i won't need need the <unk> but they wanted him to be nice if i'm in front of me <unk> easy to uh to remember to use [noise] and that's the thing is that i had difficulties with those uh free cats and and the <unk> how was that supposed to ride them and you have to remember i was sixteen i didn't the only languages i had been uh uh i had er <unk> off where basically english spanish bask i knew about <unk> other languages but not much about them yeah japanese but i wasn't about starts using it er see not very on that i had done that i had done that for other languages but for this one i was concerned more about the language itself than the whites was written so i needed something and um basically what what i was thinking about er er the <unk> i felt about using ah some of that sense like the c. and all those but never it never <unk> i've thought about doing double left us like uh the double <unk> that's spanish easy for the uh but i thought electoral votes <unk> quite feats my uh my ethics so and so the <unk> i had the idea is that if i if i took uh t. s. and removed the bottom of the t._v. i have some things that could be treated as a new lesser [laughter] and then i oh i need uh why don't they do that <unk> and then just used that same <unk> uh <unk> in front of the <unk> and in front of it and fun yeah [laughter] that's <unk> oh yeah that's basically what i did when i started using computers i have to find a way to er reprise in that little uh unbiased see on the on the computer and once again it was ninety seven so uh uh <unk> for instance i had to make do with ah computers that had a phones we saw i'd rather have fifty five characters most so um outlook that's what's what's available and discovered that little uh five character that's right look close enough to my <unk> ah could use it and it was nuts leicester which made made each company <unk> um how you call that uh you couldn't mistake it right so that's how it started and now it's just so i could if i want to change that but it's been ingrained if the language festival it's a it's <unk> yeah so that yeah that's it's it's it's an interesting choice yeah it's not a letter and it's not reserved for anything so yeah you're not want to have any problems using it in file names or anything the only thing is you know i call attention to that that that <unk> not a click that is that is basically a diet critic yeah basic on uh either marking <unk> or marking but this is an african yeah <unk> oh it's about ah um <unk> added on the left or just look ugly [laughter] yeah the basic basically that's the that's one of the only reasons why these like use <unk> <unk> in in in uh on an ad so you have you have a lot of sort of um <unk> rules that cover like <unk> illegal clusters happened what happens to um the big lie yeah um ah what happens shoe vowels when they come together um one thing i wanted to point out um this is actually a really good thing that i think uh a lot of common language need to keep in mind is that um basically you are saying that uh so there's a voice saying distinction and and stops freaking lives in africa and all the <unk> and when you're washing assimilation rules um they're not they're kind of not fully explain 'cause you're you're talking about like very general rules for those but um but one thing you you do say is that they the voicing assimilation doesn't take into account and an l. it doesn't take him into account any of the <unk> yeah simple late and the sun rents are and that's <unk> the the reason i bring that up that's a very good very naturalistic um rule a lot of lying languages are off like that um in that <unk> just like oh we talk about <unk> being naturally voice but often they don't really behave like their voice and all that and um there's you know people have come up with technical theories <unk> series behind that but uh just in general that's a good sort of rule too to have in mind yeah <unk> <unk> basically i <unk> i consider them uh for them you can eat mutual [noise] mhm that's also the reason why uh <unk> uh <unk> uh both uh voice than voice <unk> ah <unk> the <unk> the rest or or only have one person right which is a normal yeah yeah yeah but um i i just thought it was it was good that you off with that at the <unk> in the way your rules work um and ah <unk> there's no stress or tone and all and <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> an upcoming uh most of them are on that there is uh uh most and has a speech accents but not not lexical let's say it's ah <unk> phrase level mhm and it's only <unk> there are cases where where it's or wet phrase these are uh distinguished sort of lead by um the kind of ah ah beach that's <unk> on the on the beach but uh it's in the snow that much mm this way it's uh it's quite similar too it's um 'cause it's big influence which ah each bask mm okay so it doesn't have er lexical stress where the summer ah <unk> <unk> but um the main dialects don't have electrical stress but they have they have uh phrase base speech accents and within has the best way to own though he's not into detest there'll difference but the the idea is similar yeah and i think we should mention that um right there's there's some things that will come up that bass gives a very very big influence on <unk> yeah in terms of uh like the way a lot of the things where if you <unk> not argue that though now it's now that's that's one thing yeah it's one of the things that i didn't take because i do lots of make it look too much like a mask [noise] oh yeah no <unk> yeah and that's the thing that everybody knows about bask everybody knows that it's it's uh it's <unk> i don't know about necessarily some of the other ideas so yeah so i'm moving on i'm just sort of moving through the sections uh the like the the <unk> that you have said next you have no next section is mounted pronouns uh i found it interesting like you shut up front you don't really have adjectives adjective <unk> it's just <unk> yeah yeah um when i'm craig morton i wanted to ah minimize the <unk> the number of <unk> of speech and i ended up with three basically no me notice which is <unk> uh numbers or all those kinds of stuff verbs <unk> or what the heck were particles which is uh basically uh politics and interject <unk> okay so so that's that's uh that's all that's more than it has no <unk> no ah <unk> or those are <unk> that's where your <unk> uh <unk> basically or just the function of downs you put a non <unk> behind another behave like an objective yeah and i i <unk> i i will point two people looking at your <unk> pronounce just as um a good example of what i like to call the uh regular irregularity or yeah sort of pseudo regularity 'cause there's you know you have you have like inflicts isn't suffix is on the now that it's perfectly regular but because of the way the chronology works with it you end up with a lot of you know variation in the what the forms look like true that's that's what's basically when the uh one of my goals when doing that's that's uh uh creating irregularity ease <unk> it's uh it's hotter mhm to make it look like natural especially if you should just create the language uh from hold girl too like i do and it's uh it's difficult to keep track of it whereas this way i have ah a surface um forms that looks like look really irregular while the underlying the it's just a regular forms we the fewer rules as i can remember as i can uh apply on the fly on any words mhm it's uh looks quite good to get you wouldn't you describe it but when you use them it's it's easy [laughter] okay it's actually um i'm surprising myself i usually tend to ah to to check myself when i uh when i declined the unknown to to check with um with i have the right for them and uh usually i'm er i'm usually um or was okay it's always write so i'm surprised myself how easy and that makes it in because it looks like a lot of fun to <unk> ah <unk> when it more for fun any changes but um you can have the <unk> on the flight so yeah and um it's not really that many rules you have a few rules don't apply for the whole language is not not technically that natural a lot of languages have like have like partitioned rules at work only for certain like seems and stuff but ah with what you have you end up making it look more more complex than it is and i think that's a very good sort of technique to just start with with things like that um i was also interested in like reading the listen to me that you built into the the noun cases yeah uh where each one has a court case function uh hey temporary function in a location function yeah it seemed it seemed a little bit too clean and like skim addict but at the same time it was it was a very interesting idea to have like you know cases do usually have you know multiple different functions so well let's just say that's in this case i i it's looks to <unk> you have to remember it's only three cases [noise] so yeah the um [noise] yeah i have some basic <unk> the <unk> when you use ah we there look at you meaning the i mean that's <unk> basically look at these essays position which is not ah where it's adult <unk> extremely natural but it doesn't sound ah we had the <unk> becomes motion thought which which which is um so ah basically and i left if which by the wayside quite common language is to have ah <unk> used at least we use ah propose <unk> directional such things uh-huh and the <unk> the <unk> becomes emotion from <unk> which she's ah kind of <unk> of um <unk> is a world i mean when you look at uh french for instance the <unk> position is also the same for positions up <unk> from <unk> so i thought that's really not sixty okay so um when did you come to the temple worse ah side then we <unk> once again to have the <unk> the least <unk> uh location in time so <unk> uh the <unk> um um how you call that uh <unk> mm which i've seen i think eating nothing oh okay and then uh and where the um <unk> and then you have the gym which marks frequency which sounds weird i don't remember having seen that's somewhere but uh some somehow it's kind of ah fifth arrests basic basically it's it's worked so nice city when you <unk> ah the numbers and that's you can simply ah put a number to indulge in this case too to mark the a number of times which in a weird way in my head works whites were so doing something five times he's still be doing something oh five mhm yeah i'm not really that it's it's a very interesting and uh maybe uh next time i'm working with cases maybe i'll be uh looking at that um and seeing about what what i can do with cases that i can get that court sort of listen me um uh i didn't look too closely at your <unk> pronouns indefinite pronouns it looked like like all the indefinite <unk> derived from the <unk> yeah which is you know it's it's uh it's very very er regular <unk> indeed yeah it reminds it reminds me of the core lives in <unk> that's was one of the influences yes yeah so uh in the <unk> let's say in world i kind of try to ah to explain that to way by saying that's probably is if people <unk> speaking most <unk> in some kind of a very <unk> <unk> society we [laughter] because that's not the only parts which is kind of a beep too neat yeah there there are a lot of things that are very very regular in very very neat that you know <unk> make it take it a little bit away from looking like a natural language but you know i'm don't want to like criticize shrunk because you did a whole lot of work on a in a whole lot of this is really really well well thought out yeah so so that's why i thought maybe the excuse could be that uh whoever <unk> language leaving the very prescribe stevie society where people yeah uh uh where they have some people have a strong had the um on the language and basically when they see things they've tried to regular rice things and such and then put a little bit like the the <unk> says tries to do and i've been uh it'd be into academics right [laughter] to me is uh on steroids yeah basically [laughter] [laughter] that that works that works is the fact that i mean like the thing is like for me i'm always like in the vein of i want natural language is <unk> look naturalistic but that's just me and you know a lot of a lot of <unk> like that a lot of common language i'm more like you and they actually prefer making our language is more regular so um oh i i <unk> i <unk> i like to have a wreck irregularities but in the case of <unk> there are more in the uh the vocabulary and <unk> uh <unk> than in um uh uh <unk> so when you actually use the language you know <unk> lots of things with iraq but that's her uh boxing irregular it's just the the morphology so it's a bit like turkey which ah has very <unk> uh <unk> that's fine that's all kinds of we had this thing's happening in a more disinfect level oh okay moving on i was just i looked at the accounting and uh you know in <unk> <unk> <unk> the new rules are one thing that i like um carter your cardinal numbers are not are basically just good the chinese system yeah the big influence offer more ten is japanese right so that's <unk> uh <unk> you know japanese numerals come up with something yeah you'd <unk> come up with something similar to what you have yeah basically it's the <unk> ah what basically the japanese system <unk> shows me that i could have a very regular ah ah <unk> we used to <unk> being simply too thin and yeah you you know that that would be natural that's basically what uh what i saw so i decided to to do that and to er to put the complexity somewhere but you still have all of your um falling logical rules operating there so it handled makes things a little bit more interesting but the interesting one thing that happens though is so you're <unk> numbers in mountain you can't you can't you don't have like first second third fourth you don't just you have to say [laughter] if i'm getting this right you have to say where are you are counting from beginning middle lower end right yeah and you have to <unk> say which direction your counting exactly basically the the er the numbers on within our knocked absolutes they are not based on the upswing it's least from the first of the last but they're related to uh to some kind of origin and you're you can set the original wherever your walls and the <unk> the ideas that's when you use or do you know numbers it's basically you have some kind of least <unk> or or what more can allows you to sets the points from which are going to <unk> anywhere on the list and that's probably needed to be ah actually number you can be anything uh just the <unk> it's the it's just needs to be something that is understandable but we're from the context and then you can say ah in which direction you're gonna you're counting it's it's so worth the beginning so uh if you <unk> are uh towards the s. forwards and then how far you off from that point and then <unk> and er and extra auditing them number and actually most then has three absolutes or in the numbers that's uh <unk> which means first which is the absolute first <unk> who knows what she's lost the so the last points and uh <unk> which is the the middle points basically which is at the same distance from the first part of the <unk> the last part of course least being whatever your talking about that that uh that moments so it's very quiet sensitive well what if you have an even number of <unk> then um that [laughter] it's like every <unk> you kind of er where reality doesn't feats radio that's where we have the language where you just ah kind of ignore that and just use it and the <unk> make um and contacts helps you sound be great basically in these guys before i can refer to any of those too neither one of the uh positions and the youngest uh use context to ah december great okay alright basically that fits but still <unk> using <unk> of the of the origin of the couch eats nuts that's common let's say <unk> uh so it's not it's not something that happens that's always that's <unk> yeah i i can understand that i was just asking the question <unk> you know yeah like like like i like i said um the <unk> very regular but it doesn't uh <unk> or issues when you have programs where did you just kind of uh do with what you what you have what we do basically we just uh and natural language when we have something that's we uh uh <unk> something news that's we don't know how to ah go that's we just adopt and that means that can mean anything from <unk> to um just uh uh make uh use some kind of ah metaphor or comparison and use something that's still exists they're very very rare that language has and specific <unk> or everything that's uh you can throw fits right um i i also was interested you know in the counting part in your counters yeah which it looks like they can stand alone yeah yeah well basically your counters or a class of now that fused with a new merle yeah right and it can be used as class fires yeah okay they're uh they're <unk> they're basically um an optional classify as they are not one of them just normal now but they just happened to uh to nuts you <unk> uh car they'll numbers as uh as i checked teach but the issues with them when you call them and is there any like semantic or any other conditions that you have like two like determine which ones are going to be counters or is that just sort of knew arbitrarily chose <unk> gender words snow um yeah it's it's it's worse for generic things oh <unk> and the words for things like ah time most most of the i think nearly or the <unk> time uh two two <unk> two times are <unk> mhm that's that's the only place where the you you have something that's <unk> i can look i have a least of or or uh or the counters but it's it's uh it's my only seasonal uh online and oh do you have like that no dated in your dictionary uh it's it's <unk> there are a indicated when that <unk> uh <unk> basically when they look at what they have it's it's it's <unk> it's so worth time like that which means year uh sees that which is a calendar day it's <unk> like um let's see for gas which means person uh <unk> which are two words for any more uh are also counters and not have where it's like uh who gave which means <unk> if i remember correctly that check yeah step is also a counter <unk> and what do i have uh <unk> which means uh digital finger is also a counter <unk> so it's really things that are ah things that are <unk> quite comedy counts eat and junior records but there is no there's no no specific foods yeah she's just have to learn and which ones will counselors er which <unk> which ones yeah you have to memorize it but i just was thinking you never some principals <unk> no that's nuts and <unk> yeah um just like or just general <unk> yeah yeah um so i'm really want to move on to the big a big thing to me is the verb system especially coming off of our last episode [laughter] were you were talking about um oh jewelry verbs so you took inspiration from back and said basically verbs do not have any finite forms for for beginners um and i do highly suggest beginning con language read the uh the grammar posted crushed crushed off though 'cause he does a very good job of describe it of explaining a lot of basic linguistics um ideas but um but finite finite verbs are the kind of herbs that take like um i take tents and they take uh person marking in number marking some for some sort of agreement marking in most languages but they take arguments and and finish their lives participles don't really take art art really like full over form so in english you have the finite forums um love to be let's say and is our um and the infinity is to be <unk> um uh or just be um but anyway for you you have all herb's have incentive and a part of simple um and they do have one finite foreman that they have imperative but usually the only finite verbs are uh the auxiliary verbs <unk> again yeah so if you get you can explain take over and explain things um at any point i was just it was very interesting to me how all of that in your interacted because ah basically you reuse your um your taste morphology and then had the <unk> verbs in combination with these it's it's another one of these things it's very <unk> but it's a very cool idea that i thought yeah what's happening what basic that you you know basically that's uh once again that's an influence from basques which also has a has a a hand food offered conjugate the drugs and all the rest ah take on the thirty first six forms so they need to [noise] they have um a few <unk> farms and uh you have to put them together we use uh uh we didn't actually <unk> would you uh usually too hot to be with al <unk> and um to form conjugation in motor and i just when uh over the way we that's the only <unk> forms or uh up to them which needs to be an again which means two half and that all all the verbs including after 'em and i came from the forms that don't exist at seasons forms uh form there 'cause you <unk> using those two <unk> and there and and those things for office every <unk> which is <unk> just a verb or known affection and er <unk> which is basically originally <unk> and they'll just added to the um uh to the series but indeed what's happening is that they can be <unk> in any of the known cases that are available so i mean at the activities and drink tea ethical minutes a combination of ah the um <unk> farm productive together we each case and um oh shoot already chosen gives us the um yeah they <unk> aspect of voice of uh of of the verb basically right and it looks it's quite skim ethic some of it's makes some kind of natural sense the rest i extend that way by saying that it's probably it probably does exist but it's worth <unk> that's where i did buy those <unk> people who ah who like nick at night [laughter] some of them on the other hand are quite um uh <unk> actually arise uh um uh <unk> for instance uh having well quit quite quickly <unk> produce after him to be it's just the perfect aspect is just no make the normal the president's basically what it can be depending on the form of the of the <unk> but there's no no more form issue you should take an <unk> remember the actually the <unk> and uh uh in uh denver were meaning has a <unk> you from the <unk> mhm yeah that makes sense together because the <unk> do racial meaning that you could make a continuous uh aspect using the into the <unk> uh i know the things that uh since the participle ease uh results of teeth having to put the superbowl is it that means that these case <unk> uh <unk> makes the perfect aspect which in <unk> so yeah so it's <unk> all kinds of those things make sense but things like um especially the ah having the <unk> the ah we again me being <unk> mood which means to to wants to that's yeah he's definitely not something that's <unk> you would expect to to come up naturally and this this is what are they extend that way by saying that's probably uh uh the people in charge wants to have this kind of things that uh was already happening with holes and just decided to feed it the holes [laughter] well and that's where when i say it's <unk> it's not like basically it's like you have this chart and every single slot has some sort of meaning and some of them are look sort of related but it's not totally <unk> in that like it's not like you know it's not strictly configurations <unk> right so you can't you can't like you you don't get you you don't obviously get like one meeting from the the case one meaning from and finish it apart as of a one meaning from from the <unk> it's it is sort of spread out in that way and that it's it's um it's a lot of sort of different things but yeah um i i think it it's it's sort of an interesting thing to look at for inspiration maybe people can look at these and then look at what ones are actually you know do happen in in languages and what ones are maybe less less common and then sort of roll their own sort of systems like if if you're wondering where those that idea came from it actually came from bask yes in basques there's this one little ah seeing that you form is it in the future tense by taking your uh um the um the <unk> so the the it's the <unk> that's what we're recording the <unk> and <unk> and i did the uh uh to the <unk> and that's the way the formed um uh the future [noise] okay well some people consider because he <unk> school and so people can see that that <unk> for the future to be different from districts use for the look at your drink teeth but then i discovered that some of 'em some dialects of bask use uh doesn't don't choose this you fix cool to form uh the the future but then as if she <unk> which happens to be <unk> huh [noise] so it really is but uh <unk> uh these two was the <unk> of of the <unk> of uh of the verb added to the extreme you read that's from the future and that's where <unk> idea uh came from of the <unk> the <unk> with them uh not finished forms and the <unk> all kinds of ah distinctions just i i i went all the way we that's rather than bicycle yeah <unk> yeah you just you just went all the way with that i'm usually you wouldn't expect the language to be like that thorough going with using one particular strategy yeah ah to do that but it's very interesting system and ah i'm in winter it to be fair when you actually use the language a lot of it is nuts actually use with orthodox first and in the language also has a tendency for a lot of that offer a lot of those things that's <unk> that's all a slightly more naturalistic which makes use of a of a fur compounding <unk> those very skeptic thing so even the language itself is ah it's kind of uh trying to break away from these very skim and stuff yeah okay um i want to take a break from looking at ah grammar and just um i want to talk about you know in your dictionary your dictionaries really well thought out very good stuff and i wanted to just say i really like how you have all this sort of you should you advice and stuff like um in a lot um the um in a lot of these um you had this like a field that you're calling um restrict <unk> to to say you know this this word let me see if i can find a good um good illustration of this like uh um to go yeah restrict speaker oriented yogi always refers to motion away from the speaker sort of you know say okay here is here is uh <unk> uh use <unk> england lost but this is how different it differs a little bit from the word that i'm using here yeah it's ah it's it's more [noise] once again if the japanese insurance it's it's it's the has sort of more like the japanese equal then you know not uh the english to go <unk> it goes it goes further because he does the second meaning which means to leave mhm yeah another another word that i saw earlier is like you have to find something to find something out i i <unk> um to discover something to uncover or something and then you have under the restriction only use for abstract fine like finding solution to a problem uh and you say you you mentioned what what verb you would use to actually find a physical object um i really suggest people looking at this dictionary 'cause it's um it's a very good example of the kinds of things that you should look at you should think about for every word and i'm i'm guilty of just sort of giving english classes and not making special notes really of what the specific things uh meetings of words are uh when i probably should so like it's uh nice to see when someone does that yeah that's that's has been from the beginning a very strong ah go doesn't mind to er [noise] er <unk> to to to say that to to create a vocabulary which is not just ah <unk> of the uh of the language is i know so and the only way to reach that really do think hard for every word that you <unk> what it's semantic domain ease and two describes up correctly so that you afterwards you don't forget it it's basically <unk> all of that uh uh information it's not just for the reader rabbits mostly from my status so that's when i uh uh so that they don't forget that's when i created a word i created a word for this <unk> semantic domain and uh uh no just as a ah and <unk> and <unk> uh uh transition of and english word mhm so that's uh the dictionary created mostly first for my own use so ah so that's why i put <unk> what was that the information yeah which is also good for people to to to look at it to think about how uh when you create whereas that's uh things can be different from how the language it's we know english french spanish or those do you can have lots of er different ways of uh organizing the the <unk> ah space [noise] right and that's that's just that's like the biggest lesson to learn income line because if you do not tried to make your words cover a difference magic space than in your own language than what you end up with is a relax even if you do all kinds of differences with the white grammar works out if you're not paying attention in your likes to con too what words mean specifically you can very easily ended up with something that looks very very much like you're relaxing english or some other language yeah um i didn't really get uh all the way through there's there's a ton of stuff on the website but like are there any like parts of the language that you really would like to talk about i know that you know you have a ton of you have like three whole section on <unk> <unk> yeah he's on you've talked about that a lot um yeah for <unk> ah maybe you can link to my uh presentation of the forth an english christian conference well definitely <unk> discussed that and basically <unk> always just ah once it gets uh instant from <unk> which is ah <unk> the ability to take [noise] already declined or er insect basically infected forms bases for for the infection to change the uh the function of the ah [noise] i was a worthy <unk> mostly i lost we've known novels but it's also use <unk> form some kind of some <unk> and basically more than <unk> that's a <unk> a lot of it um so that's a that's a big thing basic basically <unk> um uh <unk> <unk> <unk> it's something like our hands full of of uh ethics is but it makes up from afar read by uh <unk> and in a very free compounding but mostly <unk> fix them lots of <unk> of a lot of what you would handle with ah <unk> in other languages or otherwise um yeah uh advice <unk> just simply you read or those uh those <unk> only because they're [noise] it's a it's quite similar to uh to explain so it's too much money or this book that i don't ah we don't want to go fully into it on that but you do a good job of explaining all this stuff in in all of your grammar posted in i think i think this should be uh <unk> this is good uh reading material for uh again i <unk> i think it's good reading material for beginning <unk> <unk> what sort of the idea that going into it that this is one particular language you you there is a lot of explanation of sort of concepts that you're using and such so um it's it's it's and it's written at a level that i think a lot of like the beginning <unk> good could could deal with very well yeah i did that too actually i did that's <unk> that's not just a description of the language i wanted to have some kind of ah um detective value for for the people so so that you could you you you could um come two weeks we fleet or knowledge of of linguistics and still be able to follow mhm there is some kind of learning curve when you're reading it because i do use linguistic ah germs and er what the terminology but er it's time i do that i try to explain that's a far far they follow somebody who basically only has had the um ah ah english come across seas basically yeah yeah it's it's it's a very good um material um so we will linked to all of that stuff and uh it's it's a very interesting to read it's a lot of a lot a lot of stuff um if you are familiar with chris off at all i get emails from all the time he's emails are this long not quite but they are quite long um i i tend to try to explain everything [laughter] yes [laughter] um but um it's it's a very good thing for people to learn from i think and um oh and by the way if you uh if you're thinking that uh more things are very regular language with no exceptions that's all i uh uh advice you to read uh the false number twins which i sort of ease irregularities and exceptions right where are you you actually start to address that issue yeah because i mean like when you're going through when i was going through it looked like you had not so many ah not not so many irregularities but apparently there are quite a few once you get ah ah <unk> into uh actually reading in through the irregularities section you have some some interesting differences going on um i i think um also you say you still have some stuff that you haven't written up yet i think it would be really great if you ask her after um you have all these <unk> ah britain like collect them into like a pretty good book because i think that's ah the quality that you have here it's it's it's in the long term pipeline basically when i'm basically finished tonight seen half something like uh five posts into making before i can say well this is basically complete um then i wouldn't be able to uh to do that's basically i still have uh uh quite a lot of stuff to uh to describe it about the <unk> <unk> what <unk> do you said at the at the beginning um a month and uh i haven't talked much about <unk> and uh uh <unk> intonation such things i have a <unk> coming up uh about that's mhm um i also have um quick check with a half or five times i have a <unk> of uh uh the next one for whenever it's <unk> it's about syntax in general because so far i've been very clear about ah morphology but since access and been handled <unk> very much especially at the well a little bit that the level of the non phrased but [noise] in fact the the level of the sentence and the the level of the five rough <unk> to be handled and that's going to call them um like i said in the nation of <unk> ah <unk> people's names because those have some uh specific cruz that's on that's exactly the same side of the of the rest of the <unk> ah um ah i have a post coming up about ah <unk> <unk> ah ah retrieving that's explanation or the developed forms an excellent excellent exactly how they work because it seems i rode that's um ah that post i discovered that some things are not exactly i've this scene and um so i need to uh to experience i bet the and the doing the same with the the <unk> and that describes also all the pasta positions that that language has been described yet that's all so it's uh <unk> is is that's quite a lot seems to be describes mhm yeah well that that means that people will have things to look forward to shoot him in the future so uh that's a really great um i want to uh thank you for coming on the show and ah thank you for a high also [laughter] and uh i want to think are um uh i think all of our listeners uh our our five patrons um ah patriotic and uh let me um yeah if you are do to get uh there's there's so far one guy who's do to get a shot up that's going to be in the the little ending <unk> once i add that but ah thank you everybody and thank you first off for being on the show and uh have we kinda like [noise] thank you for listening to <unk> you can find are art hide shouldn't <unk> <unk> dot com special shout out goes to scott 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