Conlangery #109: Kataputi

Conlangery #109: Kataputi

Published: Thu, 07 May 2015 04:38:33 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 oh you <unk> say but oddly enough they will sell them on some <unk> boss ooh [noise] <unk> language is people who create though i'm george carlin and down the road away is william and [noise] everything [noise] and uh uh a few things on the top <unk> everybody remember you can support us on patriotic <unk> we're up to sixty three dollars a month [noise] that is sixty three percent to the goal of getting a new site <unk> okay [laughter] uh but um other things uh just recently we had the uh what's the the six yeah language creation conference uh i have not had a chance to um to watch any of the things [laughter] uh i am in grad school and i have i had about four papers for it so uh to work on basically for a few <unk> several different projects to work on so i didn't have time to to tune in the stream <unk> william you you tuned in i did um there are lots of some talks mhm um the one i liked it too especially mentioned it's ties to talk about some of the legal questions the l. c. s. god it's a nice lawyers to do uh some pro bono worked for us to sort of research the question of protecting con lanes either through copyright which sounds like no forget it [noise] um or patenting which is for all practical purposes ain't no forget it [noise] um so we have to talk um all of the the [noise] conferences you to know [noise] <unk> and we have um mostly aligned to sound for the first time ever [laughter] for the uh archives oh okay good the talk we have a slight notice i came up with we have the actual public <unk> gave us um and there was something else you know and that's that that um that that better but i especially think you know either read this thing or uh watch the talk or both things because that's something that comes up quite often <unk> in the <unk> community and so that's i think that's a good reference for people who are who want to know more about how intellectual property law and con lanes could could interact in u. s. <unk> yes in the u._s. only that's true um and uh <unk> on his in his talk but uh <unk> is not a lawyer right china's not your lawyer denton is not your lawyer it's the else yeses lawyer um right um i had a little um <unk> post about disliking to all the <unk> there was also in two thousand for a harvard journalism on technology um somebody decided that this was a pressing issue in wrote a paper called the constructed languages and copyright colin a brief history and proposal for divorce [laughter] um their idea also was it like which is just can't be copyrighted oh yes again there is a little bit more abstract very long and all of that material together is interesting if you care about the matter the problem with patenting accounting isn't it has to be something that nobody has ever thought of before and we all know and to do so the chances that you have genuinely created something that no one ever have thought of before and will pass the prior test is very low yeah yeah so if <unk> intellectual standpoint i thought that was interesting but i don't know how many people care about copy writing or something [noise] well there are a few people who who who want to but uh yeah uh just just go over that go go to that one and um there's other talks to uh william you said that um ah britain talked about um the documentary he's making yet uh about <unk> oh that's a very exciting um britain who uh has actually him has has an ad actually competed uh film before <unk> at least ten [noise] um so um there's a good chance of getting completed so if you look at um the start [noise] to the saturday session i believe they talk about um the thing there so short video sort of encouraging you to participate uh if you want or uh and explaining with the project is so my hope is they will actually be able to complete this um i know that in the last few years they've been ever attempt spite people to make documentaries and then no one ever heard from them again mhm [noise] um so this one has some chance of being completed and it's also being made by uh <unk> so there's a little extra motivation there yeah that's that's that's definitely a good stuff and i'm just just check out all the all the stuff uh when i get time i'm going to go through all the <unk> and watch them all because you know it's good stuff yep so do you to videos have links to to page that has links to all of these flights for people who had slide so [noise] okay and i i can lead to the <unk> to videos <unk> is it just uh the two days or the like two <unk> two days there are two for saturday because it was too long and one for some day okay alright one more thing i passed my first <unk> yeah and i now qualify for a masters degree in ah linguistics so i should be getting uh no they ah did all the paperwork for that and uh i will get my diploma her masters degree and probably about six months because that's how these things work yes well and then on to the p._h._d. yes going on to the p._h._d. i did uh <unk> and now i don't have to do some tech [laughter] at least not so much [laughter] that's okay [noise] so that's what's that all the announcements out of the way we are doing we are featuring icon line today called <unk> it is one of the uh kind of huh con lines and so we um uh it's created by a user that goes by the name the <unk> um i tried to contact ah all the <unk> we feature though languages uh but um [noise] i couldn't find any like email address on here that's um [noise] i don't know how to contact people on account now or i mean anytime you don't have an email address it's it's kinda hard for me to get to contact your so uh if you created this language and you're listening maybe let us know [laughter] but uh we couldn't you know obviously we couldn't get that guy on or or or contact them but [noise] so we have got the <unk> it is so if you're if you're not familiar with the economy project is collaborative count on your project and basically they have like a con world that's you know that you know they have maps and everything and uh <unk> yeah and they have several language families where uh one person to sort of made <unk> you know you have people who may provo languages and then you have people deriving languages out of it so <unk> is uh classified under the do make languages in the uh kind of world um yeah and he has stuff like it's spoken in <unk> um [noise] uh region uh you know he has he has all the information that sort of a kind of specific and uh it's uh s._o._b. <unk> knitting an absolute him [laughter] so uh like where you want to do we'll start off with sort of phonology um [noise] it's <unk> kind of not not super small but kinda small constantly been tori h. weirdly missing a b. and has a <unk> yes that's unexpected that's <unk> yeah it's against the the usual pattern usually you have ah bush didn't voice was series if you're missing one of those two it'll be the <unk> but uh but then it sounds horrible things happened to be as well so that's not too surprising yeah it's it's okay um and it's like it it only appears in one cluster as a result of voicing simulation uh vowels it has the regular five vowels uh long insured except the mid vowels are only long apparently <unk> find a tactically not so surprising it's mostly follows sooner already in on sets and um [noise] uh it's c. c. v. mostly falling snow already accept as soon as we can come before stops that cannot very usual yeah um there's an interesting thing of [noise] so there's <unk> there's e._r. uh so <unk> can i like and all but the it apparently and all but one of the dialects it's uh that's become sweat and as well so <unk> okay i'm not you know the little bits of about probes be depicted predictable stress yeah yeah uh it's <unk> it's yeah more time rather than civil suitable or that i mean i mean that the stress <unk> yeah ah which you know except for people who don't remember what that means um a more a is a unit of lakes so a single bible is one more <unk> okay yeah well um and then yes is determined by the ultimate morris so if you were word ends and along that well then that stress rapids there otherwise it happens in the ultimate syllable right right um here it's <unk> i think he's defining yet as <unk> one more in long <unk> our our two more edge right ah no <unk> figure languages you define the more as differently a little bit differently but usually it's short short and long <unk> are that way um coated confidence can have all sorts of fun for <unk> this language doesn't have any of those really yeah i don't think he has <unk> and all the um <unk> <unk> yeah so um yeah uh just uh understanding <unk> some language don't believe in more as some <unk> language do but like if you have more as there's uh the idea of you know any any language if it has more is it'll do the short and long val playing but <unk> sort of knocks thing uh but anyway not not to go too deep into that uh he does have a few notes about dialects all um it's all phonetics it caught my eye because i'm taking associate phonetics course right now so socio phonetics uh yes socio phonetics so that's what <unk> does amazingly comparing yeah doing um socio linguistic analysis on phonetics i didn't know that got its own name i just thought that was that seemed linguistics or part is that okay so soon phonetics [laughter] so yeah okay so you're fanatics can we have socio more phonetics [laughter] [noise] i don't know that <unk> decided that is going to be my sub specialty in life and they're <unk> [laughter] <unk> socio photo tactics anyway sorry and yeah yeah yeah yeah um [laughter] [noise] more phonetics eye on like i i think a lot of linguistics at like weight morphology in mexico but anyway um so we have um [noise] my thing with the dialects and personally um i would expect to see more notes than just dialect thing <unk> more than just put a logical things to maybe word meaning differences yeah shades of uh meaning idioms grammar um and there doesn't appear to be any of that even in the body of the documents and he just talk about the dialects from time to time but [noise] yeah actually for logical thing at this point yeah yeah <unk> but i don't watch <unk> fanatic stuff is cool it's just some more <unk> other other things about the dialects would be would be a good uh <unk> and and even this stuff it's like uh yeah and you know uh <unk> you you you could end up going into a rabbit whole just with the phonetic stuff 'cause when you when you look at well research languages if you look at you know work this is done on english dialects and stuff just in in phonetics then it's massive so uh [laughter] uh [noise] it it's massive and complicated lots of changes going on [noise] um so and he has a little thing of example words just illustrate all the the the differences between dialects sort of card made comparative thing sure um uh he has some stuff on morphology and we're phonology uh so the main i think the main thing with his more phonology is the mutations [noise] so is an interesting one or two of them are pretty darn surprising to me and that underlying may have mutations that lead to either to z that's fine tea that's fine or p. that's much more surprising to me yeah that looks weird to me and i i i <unk> yeah and he also has our can go to tea or to pee right so we have the <unk> i don't know what's going on there [noise] um i i didn't have to i didn't have time to do was sit down and compare this to the federal language that's being derived from if i'd had a little more time to do that i might have been able to figure out what was going on there yeah that might be that might be a thing to do yeah that would be that would be interesting to to do i could come up with i could probably come up with the theoretical reason for that mutations but it would be weird in funky [laughter] and it's a <unk> so i don't really feel motivated to do it [laughter] so ah and a nominal morphology he has three <unk> and i'm a little bit like some of the things that are happening in the clintons look like they're <unk> they're they're related to the mutations classes yes in both the different classes and in the non classes you have some variations going on that are related to the mutations so then you <unk> are caused by various kinds of free sections but they have echoes throughout the language apart from just that [noise] so the [noise] it looks like various things must have sort of their life is clinics and <unk> and then they became attach 'cause at this point well critics can change stress systems as well but at this point they're part of the previous word and um they themselves have variations so the popsicle absolute [noise] in the first to question is city so all right in the clinton too is p. t. o. y. and into clinton three is <unk> <unk> so we have this um r. t. p. thing going on which [noise] um yeah yeah and it shows up in um at least the effective parts of the verb system as well yeah i mean i'm not sat down and looked at every way that this might mean full but i guess it's [noise] yeah all sorts of places and he has some example um the clinicians if you're interested in that i mean what would it it's interesting if he's got variations in <unk> some have one step informed but there are different stem gradations for some words like to work for needle has <unk> <unk> <unk> well um and different forms take different stems right he has like a strong medium and week stamp right and so that makes sense and looking at the coronado language we're <unk> which is uh do <unk> uh-huh so that's been through some very serious changes [noise] <unk> yeah i can see that long <unk> it's more surprising well anyway [noise] um okay so i think for me any <unk> <unk> it would be an interesting thing to sit down and look at what is presented to you and look at the front of language independent language is not particularly well sketched out has gotten very things going on and then they had to separate project where i guess people didn't say what was going on in terms of their some changes so there was a project where they reconstructed the credit language based on how it looks in the various um child language is people have created oh yeah i've heard about that um that's that's an interesting so that's fun to look at it too [noise] okay so mm moving on <unk> there's just possession is just a ah prefix oh [noise] uh you're looking at the turn down system uh i was looking in possessions possession right now just going through the okay your turn up in a wreck so the sort of interesting to me is the right so you're looking at the possessive prefix is fine mhm first second third person this to me looks like a minimal augmented system so most of us are used to singular plural pronouns first person zing you their second person's <unk> and <unk> second person for arthur presumes or [noise] um and for the second and third persons in this language it looks like that you're except that you have singular <unk> right the first person gets confusing because you have a first person exclusive and the first person inclusive and the forms the first first explosives or all clearly really the forest for the first person inclusive oral clearly related but you can't have a first person inclusive singular makes no sense so it's dual dual so instead of thinking singular versus plural if you think minimal versus augmented the minimal call them has all of the singular is plus that one first person that second person that some first person inclusive too ah okay and then for your <unk> that's the augmented system and that's what this has and i find that the minimal augmented language which actually occurs reasonably often human languages in various places um it's just easier to lay out and explain um using that instead of saying oh we have this weird too yeah okay yeah i can understand how that that that works now that yeah so [noise] um um i suppose we should mention that both mountains in front of us have three cases absolute burger two and a week mhm um do you believe is used <unk> posts position um a few other places and also for a positive [noise] oh okay special special somebody's face time thinking about a positives and that is nice 'cause that's when you say things like um my father taught about the doctor the doctors and the positive uh-huh yeah i know but you know but i don't know <unk> who yeah um [laughter] [noise] so that sort of when you use a known to clarify uh uh some term in some way um isn't a positive so that's nice i don't know that you would ever use a positive pardon [noise] um but for now <unk> so i thought that was uh interesting it's definitely um it's a little thing yeah <unk> it's sort of like uh i could do an ad for [noise] or something [noise] it's just yeah it was it's a little extra thing that most people say um there's a section called core electives so that's our fault yes possibly [laughter] well <unk> upper so we basically said correlate it evolves are kind of not a thing except for an s. bronco right well i did that thing there are lots of languages where you'd have something that looks kind of like <unk> but it's a little bit messy mhm that's not surprising to me i mean i say it's our fault i mean this person they never have listened to russia i don't [laughter] they may have just seen us bronco and done that or a latin or greek grammar layout is very common in in those old things as well anyway it's not it's it's it's not like you did anything super weird with it though it's simple stuff yeah he didn't do it he didn't do the weird like the way the weird uh as bronco way or anything you just called it that that's all so verbs have the same sort of thing with ah <unk> in that they have the three contradictions yes that are similar to the uh the mutations um there's some uh he <unk> you mentioned the little bit that there are a few other um <unk> uh reflects or prefix and and it's passive suffix roast pfizer suffix [noise] um but the just the three different classes the firms are congregated for a person just mood and aspect and this is tuned to me it looks more and the differences between the um the conjugation classes themselves makes me think about australian languages frankly and here's another place where the um radiation the mutations happen [noise] [noise] yeah so so young and looking at that and it's kind of interesting [noise] um it's not it's not a whole lot of her ah <unk> you know just like oh it's cool yeah i guess the attributed for which is a relative eyes are but it's also used to let your adjectives act in tribute in way so adjectives themselves can act as verbs okay no overt but if you want to say you know the big dog then you need to use this uh relative eyes are in on the <unk> yeah there isn't <unk> passive but i'm disappointed in the description of it yeah it's like there's more to a passive than getting rid of the agent is eight inches off instill stated uh it's just really <unk> um and service various functions the anti passive up to do that too but we don't see any of that elaboration in this language <unk> not that i'm going to blame him because then what life first published languages i did exactly the same thing like oh well <unk> passive that without yeah my um the ending of what you used it for nice simple kind of boring um chinese style ah number system remember of system it looks like uh numbers [noise] yeah i just never look at that [noise] i just i i didn't even see it on the first passed reading through those but i just saw it now uh he has some <unk> morphology going on um the derivation laugh exes have their own classes attached to them which makes sense right because [noise] different stems undergo various changes and they represent that really from <unk> so the verbs also have up to three um different grades um onto each different endings go [noise] so that the <unk> for to boil has three stems which i love which are he he he and he [laughter] and the reconstructed form is <unk> oh okay so anyway but that's what i i like this this idea of uh different stems popping up it looks to me like what he imagined <unk> what's happening is that it's some stages of language there was an extremely strong stress accents what your blood related everything that came after huh okay so things disappear um and then the sound system and to be more reorganized if if the rules okay and then a couch in a different sense 'cause none of the different stems radically different it's not like a co versus went uh-huh um it's clear that that are related to each other so that's that's interesting a good way to add that sort of natural randomness of random or natural irregularity yeah i do i do really like uh the difference them <unk> and the mutations put together that makes a a very interesting combination [noise] yeah i didn't have time to look into the origin of this mutations that's more interesting 'cause he had two different kinds of <unk> which is more surprising because normally mutations are <unk> <unk> processes so uh-huh [noise] i'd be interested in it with the thing he wasn't that if we could have found that person okay do we wanna talk a little bit about his syntax selection uh we had we had a positive <unk> we mentioned the positives what you usually bleep for positives uh we have basic word orders and so we um [noise] with some flexibility and it's um it's uh looks like it's sort of just japanese like [noise] not well because japanese is s. o. v. like [laughter] yes [laughter] both positions fight oh yeah oh i know all of that usual stuff yeah um um uh okay <unk> yeah something that he gets he calls the sub jumped it uh-huh <unk> yeah <unk> more like nominal <unk> which i think it's hilarious and beautiful and approve of [noise] <unk> because i've given everything else that is the the suggestive is used to named why should it also name a kind of nominally station [laughter] yes [noise] so that's all i have to say about that it's uh <unk> um [noise] protective affective alignment and the <unk> so that's pretty standard uh interesting stuff on different kinds of vacation mhm that i thought was interesting it upsets me terribly that he has laid out um [noise] different kinds of syntax using transformation <unk> uh [laughter] [noise] i think it's it's just a descriptive thing without necessarily in <unk> endorsing that particular theory of language but it's still uh yeah and it tells you what <unk> what happened so i suppose [noise] system yeah nobody really does transformation anymore but uh um he is he has a nice little section on questions yes and um he did a thing that i like in that when he was talking about polar questions the so yes no questions he talks about um whether whether a given uh uh uh give in a way of asking a polar question <unk> <unk> <unk> poses a positive answer a negative answer yes this is important yeah because uh that's the thing that is important to think about so er w. h. word questions i think it's just it's just w. h. institute yep so enticed although i love the um example sentences a shark <unk> my face with my face who did the shark bite [noise] who's tasted the shark bite that's good [laughter] a complicated question to ask just for just from the standpoint of constructions and syntax yeah [noise] uh what the thing is minded district like i don't like that sentence [noise] um what sort of shocked at my face so that's good [noise] sort of sharp [laughter] hey he got used to what kind of question marketer [noise] and we've got nice sample pacts and uh thursday electric <unk> ah any thing that popped out to you about the lunchtime that's cool uh about the <unk> the standard um a kind of like to come for these languages day everyone gets the i guess we're list and then they go through and do things [noise] um [noise] the semantic richness of the dictionary just not as nice as he could mm [noise] um in my opinion that's just me um they do they do at least sort of include some some ah words for like a common specific places and people yeah i mean that's [noise] i only test this mixed feelings about we keys for documenting <unk> the <unk> stuff is nice first because it's just attractively laid out it's not as ugly as many <unk> [noise] um and when you have a shared world like this <unk> some of the stories also or some of the example sentences from time to take make reference to places are people's are cultures in the world and that just makes it nicer yeah cross links that without having to do because we fit that sticks thing that's going on so that's [noise] mhm [noise] um but he has a vocabulary not striking anyway it's a nice solid list and they put them in the language and go on that one thing that i thought was interesting that i i'm looking at my notes any skipped over um in addition to the personal possessive <unk> uh-huh um find a decent extent there we go there isn't agenda too construction for winning downs are protesting <unk> example is the <unk> the man's trousers okay um but for an alien and bleed possessed now [noise] you use the <unk> and the um possession marking okay um [noise] the man's trousers but it's the man's [noise] his legs okay and it's interesting a nice little touch there that um <unk> uh inedible <unk> has a little extra work going on [noise] um that's a big unusual in the normal yeah i'm uh things <unk> session is usually some <unk> er yeah it's usually less mark usually that smart but that's okay effected their distinguishes fine by me yeah um so that's that's generally all that we have on uh <unk> it's very interesting looking at ah i i will link to it in the <unk> um and i also edit the provo word list so people i i definitely think looking at this language and comparing it to that put a world list is the most educational part for beginning hunger okay yeah that's uh that's that's a good point and uh get an maybe maybe later i will look look at the parental language a little bit too that's uh you know that's the thing yeah you know [noise] um so yes that's all for this i guess it's gonna be a little bit oh not too <unk> uh an episode um uh william you have any last things to say no i don't think so hey well guys uh check out the all the uh l. c. c. talks i will make sure that i can see that uh do those um [noise] one thing i will be in china all of next month or so uh [noise] most still dealing with <unk> maybe william don't run the show uh so just know that can expect that um [noise] uh i'm hoping [noise] since i can [noise] once i finish up this semester and get all that crazy stuff i need new done maybe during the summer i might be able to put together a bunch of shorts that i can i can start i can get ready to put him [noise] during the year um [noise] i'm not i'm just gonna say happy time [noise] thank you for listening to con like [noise] you could find our archives in sherman oaks <unk> dot com [noise] support us on patriotic <unk> patriotic dot com slash fun lying or [noise] you can also find this on the face of both quarter and <unk> and if you would like to hear your online featured on the top of the show you could look at our [noise] tribute hadley from or what you translate how to send [noise] <unk> basically provided by the language creation society and our music is by no divide [noise] welcome to <unk> languages and the people who are great them let's start that again let's do that [laughter] okay [noise] in three two one um [noise] [noise] hi [noise] thank you charge [laughter] someone's calling me i will cause georgia georgia georgia answers the phone when he's driving a car okay somebody that was that was an automated call about my <unk> supplies [laughter] mm mhm well [noise] all that stuff [laughter] georgia falling apart

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