Conlangery #118: Linguistics Databases

Conlangery #118: Linguistics Databases

Published: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 04:00:02 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 she's i'd <unk> i'd be soldiers <unk> <unk> [noise] welcome <unk> started languages and the people who create them i'm george bush really uh with me down the road ways is where they will you man that's [noise] the <unk> all over that [noise] i'm coming up with a cold so i know quite as much like johnny cash and i did yesterday but [noise] [laughter] to me ah sneezing to the microsoft and i'll just sit here surfing t. okay yeah that'll be fine [laughter] yes so william is not one hundred percent right now no um i am doing fine as much as you can be when when there's a baby in the house so no sleep but otherwise [laughter] it's fine we got up very early today [laughter] um but um our topic for today is all about online linguistics data bases so um william had this idea to do this this show and because we've talked about previously about walls and some other other like tools on line you can look at but there are recently there have been even more of these big type a logical databases that popped up yeah it does seem like in the last three or four years suddenly everything's appearing meanwhile it's it's been around a good long while and that seems to have motivated people to um put things more things so even though there is that actual book associated with balls and there are books associated with some of these other databases um in addition to the research and dissertation book that you produce they're not making these things available um online databases mhm which is you again recent and wonderful okay um the first thing that um we went to ah say and this is what you have at the top here is we want to acknowledge that none of these tools are perfect sometimes you get weird errors in um they don't always have you know they they they sample as many languages as they can and try to get a balance sample in different families but you know you can't get all of the language is obviously so right so you can't get everything so we'll talk about as we do different each a different one some of the drawbacks to them but um yeah but they are still very useful tool and coming to one of these databases as a researcher is different from coming to these as a <unk> they're all sorts of irritants in <unk> if you try to do actually dallas is on it as a researcher that are irrelevant test is called lakers because we don't care and less a database would actually you know producing vast amounts of false information i can't imagine why i'm accommodating or cares for me personally i want breath of family representation if a database has only one family typically less interested in it than i am is if it contains more languages or at least make the effort to yeah but that's purely because i just want to know the range of possibilities um so all of these databases art out here too constrained your car laying unless you want to use it that way but to give you ideas that you might not have considered in the past and you have them at some like walls i consider upgrades linguistics education in general is you just read the chapters don't just look at the maps don't just look at how many languages how the <unk> but read the chapter discussions that issue and you're gonna learn all sorts of interesting things yeah well it's definitely it's definitely great for <unk> you know there's questions about how useful it is for linguistics i i can definitely see like knowing the researchers point yeah i mean there's <unk> you could you could still work with walls but there's you know obviously it's like second hand it's not the data itself it's from sources but still it's but that that stuff doesn't matter for a <unk> right exactly so it's <unk> it's pretty reasonable and so walls we've talked about right so the world atlas of language structures hey just has a bunch of type a logical chapters and gives like you know either is points on a map or as like percentage is how many languages what languages have such and such future right or such and such very end of a future like um you know if you go to go to third chapter on choppers on grammatical gender you'll find how many languages have no gender at all which is most of them for like half of them about how many of them have uh sex based grammatical gender and how many have not sex based in grammatical gender but that that's that's the kind of informational get from walls and you'll get good stuff if you read the articles cause they give examples of each of the categories are talking about right and sometimes if it's not clear do you what the categories even mean <unk> um the article will typically explain that to you as well right right but it's it's definitely good um as sort of high level type a logical working out but your language is gonna look like there's a specific one for creoles um yes ethics <unk> pigeon and creole language structures and it has it's just i think the same software is <unk> except they change some colors mhm um yeah so both of these have an ability that i don't think it's used as often as you can combined features mhm so you could look to see what things occur <unk> occurred together um so for one example is funny she like if you click um feature six eight that's <unk> confidence and then you'll see you view that page there's this box with the six day option then you could just clicking that box and you can add additional options so i was curious to see how many languages had <unk> confidence and blood <unk> confidence that didn't say attractive sending plus tips and so on and so forth [noise] and it turns out that languages that have done of either are far the most common um but languages with uh you'd be alert stops as well as you feel or stops and continue and um [noise] excuse me somewhat likely to have the <unk> that's just you know an interesting thing that could send you off in a different direction if you're working at a <unk> hey you can do the same same thing with um you know syntax and we're in order and various other number of er you mean can buy whatever you want [noise] um yeah it it it it hit <unk> certain combinations that have program or somewhere thought didn't make sense um which is annoying sometimes but for the most part uh multiple feature mixing it's pretty fun when you um download these [noise] yes the walls data is download a bull <unk> big ugly u._c._s._b. <unk> yeah i think that's the the standard for a lot of these um there's another one i just want to mention quickly cold you wave that but that is uh the right it'll be electronic world atlas of varieties of english so that one's actually english dialects and then also throws in english base creoles so that might be not as useful for all con language i will say as the um a fixing the walls because the like the features that if you look at features are very much you know they're focusing on diagnostic creatures of different english dialects riders so maybe it can be useful so people may be useful to if you're making like a future english or you just want to have some like general idea of how much dialects getting married but um definitely the walls and <unk> a picture useful for everybody i just wanted to throw that went in there and there's also calls c. a. l. s. which is the <unk> version of this yes although um much less filled out typically yeah because it's all self reported by a con language so some people don't fill up a whole form [laughter] right it's all right or you're going to say george oh nothing so i'm just saying let's move on to other things alright so another one is sin tactics structures of the world's languages i find it has an extremely clunky search interface [noise] um which i didn't care for however once again the properties lists like if you do something like uh click the properties then you can look at the article and examples they have their uh in addition to that list of old languages that had that for example and this is something i i don't think as clearly as i should often about mass <unk> versus [noise] um [noise] what's the opposite of a mess down account now come down to take it um so <unk> feature you know one of the teachers have a cat does indefinite mass no object physician require an article and it turns out different languages handle this quite differently that's not something i've thought about before and here's a lovely and brief article about the subject mhm yeah that's that's that's nice so they are definitely the articles are good i tried to play around with the search and i cannot figure out how to get anything so yeah it kinda <unk> it's <unk> it's either broken or i'm just not rocking it but um the articles i think are definitely useful mm there's a huge about there but it's always there things to learn and it's interesting like it's a lot of like very specific word order thing going on so you can just like go through options like that okay so the next one is p. base which i wouldn't mentioned anywhere in the hope that it would be appears it has gone missing the u._r._l. that it used to uh exist at no longer answers yeah no it's it was a wonderful and hopefully it would be like an aloe phony database which let you ask questions like show me the context in which team would turn into our yeah <unk> uh or when when it turned into a cloud will stop i pill edge the data from this heavily myself for some software wrote for myself so i know that the stuff that the data set was once download <unk> hopefully it will be back some day because it was a really nice thing mhm okay so the next one is for evil people to have fun coming up with the names for these things [laughter] um i forget which <unk> stands for i don't know but it's fine anyway oh you did this i just want to go on line right <unk> um uh it's kind of like wild for phonemes <unk> and it's important to know that this combines multiple <unk> um online data bases so i'm not going to talk about <unk> today simply because it's data is sucked up by <unk> <unk> okay um and there are a bunch of others uh that hurt and they have a lot of data hundreds of languages like many hundreds of <unk> it's much better than um these things normally have mhm has nice maps but it does not have a particularly nice uh ways to search you can click on the inventories field and pick a language and just say okay here's the list of its phonemes uh it was you could have listed out at a long list or you can just see a um an i. p. h. art which is nice you can pick segment so you can look at all the language the world that have you know and which is nearly all of them um and it will show you a nice mix and then a really long list of those languages and it has a super super detailed uh feature analysis off to the side bar right right it's nice it's interesting it means better search capabilities in my opinion at this point right right and uh can you like combine <unk> no doubt so that's the problem however so affordable is nice but these south american fun a logical inventory database sat fallen um is magnificent it has this super super simple um cory mechanism so you get the front page and then you get an i._p. h._r. me and and then all of a huge list of languages from south america at the bottom everytime you click on a phony on the chart it reduces that list to how many languages had that feature [noise] if you click it twice the little box turns red and it shows you the language that don't have it and you can click on multiple so you can say show me all the languages that do have each <unk> tea but do not have it <unk> p. and there are three of them and you can go look at through my um and look at that fucking inventory that's nice i just uh this is what foibles needs in my opinion right right it's definitely 'cause 'cause like that way you could <unk> like like <unk> out like different possibilities writer or taken you know just get an idea for what sort of things traveled together yeah it would be nice [noise] it would be nice for forty will have this because you know this one is only south american languages right there's there's you know you get a lot of things but you know there's also a lot of um you know <unk> that are not present and any of the language is so you just missed it and also you know it's a sample of south america so there's gonna be like regional thing going on there but it's still great like sort of you double like on a plane tea it shows you that there are two languages in south america that do not have a plane an <unk> my favorite is colorado shop because it is the most amazing phonology i've ever seen in my life oh my okay so <unk> so <unk> <unk> uh playing huh <unk> <unk> <unk> inclusive <unk> two <unk> okay [laughter] this hurts my head it's wonderful i kind of i like i i wonder i like this this this this language is so weird that i even like wonder like i wanna read the analysis on it right to see like <unk> um <unk> some issue because it's very odd [laughter] this thing is weirder than playing on so [laughter] it's pretty weird and end up i'll even tories larger than the constant inventory which is which is that's also weird [laughter] yeah so you know if it's true i still wanted to be true [laughter] [laughter] well i mean it could be but but yeah so um eduardo riviera wrote a rivera wrote a a <unk> two thousand two so you'll just have to go to chicago to get the dissertation yes yes and find out what's going on yeah with any of these um phonology things these databases depend on the analysis of the source they use it certainly that's the sort of thing people argue about right right but i mean we're kind of language we're short of casually looking at possibly <unk> you're not a big deal yeah and that's my linguist bring going into that and thinking mm [laughter] you where someone could have listened perpetrated something but yeah that that's for that's for other conversations but i i have that place [laughter] [laughter] okay so um definitely uh uh that's that's definitely another one so we've got a couple of ones that are really good for um [noise] you're funny mandatory right uh uh the next one you have listed on here is world fun uh tactics database so that's your next step right this one's pretty fun it's kind of complicated they they give you um guidance on how to use this tight which is good mhm um it is um <unk> i think it's an excellent interface but if you're an used to this sort of thing it's gonna be maybe a little overwhelming um this they've done really great for data on this this database includes photo addict uh foot tactic data on over two thousand languages so that's pretty good that's almost a third oh wow yeah that's good so this is going to be full of contested data [laughter] oh wow yeah whatever whatever it's not good samples right um so to get to this go to the bottom of the left side bar and there's these large database it'll take a while to do that the first time and then you'll get a map at a box living in the middle of the screen basically you just want to add to features so there'll be a little dream button with a plus <unk> hit that and then you have a a series of options some of them are complex options where you need to add other data just for fun if you're playing along with us go to um the database and then click c._d._c. language um in the menu items and that's a simple one and then you can click the plots again and you can pick whatever you want so i just got to go down and say quota equals <unk> stop uh okay only allowable <unk> right and then you click the circle arrow thing um and it will update them that that's not that's not as much interesting as the stats tap so there's gonna be a tab on your floating middle box and you quit that and that will show you how many things are c._d._c. languages um which has only uh uh <unk> stop and that's three percent of their inventory um just some people know uh this this thing this database is not working very well in a fire fox for me right now you know yeah i don't know what the deal is uh are you using it in power fox or safari safari okay so uh just like maybe if you're working working with that um there might be some browser still do it better than others just playing around anyway at the <unk> the stats table um we'll just each teacher with a plus call them at a midas call them <unk> means it has that the minus <unk> does not mhm um so that's that there's a legend which explains what the <unk> colors do um and you can add and subtract features as u._c. <unk> if you add to many features your stats view will be too complicated to read so be restrained with that mhm but i i find it fun to play with it's interesting to explore possibilities um i can't say that it's ever made me select it very particular thing for a <unk> um but if they ever make their database publicly available i might use that you know to write the phonology generator to [noise] mhm [noise] and it's just fun to play with right alright so these last three things um for the phonology stuff aren't really databases per se but i still think they're useful resources especially for <unk> [noise] the first one is a great just little site called survey ups and bottled systems [noise] <unk> um it's written with language in mind uh and it just talks about the i guess we'd say the geometry of level system [noise] yeah we've talked about we talked about this and oh early episode just about voucher system right so uh we have mentioned it's it's basically it just shows a lot of different um possibilities for bell systems right and uh it's like i i think you know if you if you just want to grab something you can just go to the site and like look through and grab one of these calls systems too right yeah so ah or grab one and modify it since it's a pretty expensive i mean like there's always a possibility that you know we just saw a language that's probably not gonna [laughter] outlets certainly not to because it's crazy but uh you know it does have it <unk> does have like going like up to like languages with like seventeen dollars right now it's it's pretty good and it gives you just some sort of interesting principles of how these things how how you might split up the bible space um and why some things are more common than others like yeah i mean i think i think does he mentioned like one thing is you can get a vertical <unk> you can't get enough horizontal rebel system right uh does he mentioned that um he talks about there was a little bit but he doesn't i mean is that really going into great detail yeah yeah and that's why i i think it i just think it's a nice little [noise] mhm but i think reference um and then <unk> and then there's yeah there's this great um c._b. posts cult that guy to smoke huston inventories which is just a lot of fun mhm um and it's worth looking hit list and then just reading people's comments there's it's not uh i was asked post but um i think it's interesting [noise] oh yeah he's just got a ton of these like okay under twelve consummate systems yep uh twelve and under yeah mhm okay um and then of course i'm sure everyone knows about the index diet product kind of known sound changes yes that's that's handy to take a look at although uh not particularly for trouble [laughter] no no um for my own self i <unk> went through and just made something database like out of it but i just can't keep up with all the changes so i thought yeah <unk> handy to have a like a search and it would be very handy to have a surgical database of that but it would be a lot of typing [laughter] to get it in all right so the next two is about how this is nice it's wonderful it's it's it's handy it's the failing saint patterns leipzig online data base that's really a natural english but somebody decided valid powell is the key word um for this you can download the data and you will get um either t. s. b. piles which i didn't know what those are or a sequel like three file uh-huh so if you know sequel your clothing um i've grabbed it and played it a little bit the database structure is a bit complicated in that part they don't documents [laughter] so you have to do a little exploring to figure out how the tables in a wreck let's let's talk about what it actually is right oh oh so they decided to find out how failing see was managed uh for a small court vocabulary um for a bunch of languages so for example in the past we've talked about it other shows things like verbs of perception sometimes have different kinds of argument structure things like date of experience there's didn't we do one like what what happened to the subject uh i i don't recall what it weird subject or anyway something like that like that so this is just dealing with that how're subjects objects and various adjunct nominate have go where am i doubt it yeah yeah um this just takes a whole bunch of different verbs um with reasonably well known semantics and just did an inventory or a survey across different languages to how to do things [noise] so uh if you're following them on let's go to the verb meanings tab <unk> and <unk> see right and that's just gives you a list of thirty nine for forms of how the argument structure is better than ah handled in different languages right if we look at english we have a nominate at first that uh for which might be alt additionally cut it for the subject and then he accused of it i see him or he sees me right and uh that's that's the the key thing is that uh it gives you both um like cases it gives you the cases and the like the the positions and the sentence right and marking on the verb if there is any right so george you know how <unk> hotel and then you can see that the subject comes first and the object and then uh massive stuff it's attached to the uh yeah i've been to see let me let me actually find it uh-huh oh yeah that's right yeah so a lot of these have your normal sort of non native native or a rather nominated accused of oregon of absolute if that works away we well but that's <unk> tough because that has um what we consider the subject is in the late of says right on motion case and and the thing perceived isn't the absolute <unk> so that's really interesting to go over to the coding frame and click on that and we see that five verbs of the of the <unk> that they had their questionnaire about code the same way here no like see wallet followed these are cognitive verbs right so it's it's like perception and and um psychological right thing perception that site so that's really interesting and you could use that like if you're doing it kind of thing and you like i want to do my perception verbs a little bit different what are some other things i need to consider here you are so but that's not the end but wait and there's more so let's pick um from this example of cutting fame so we have <unk> which means to like so let's click on yet all [noise] and that gives us a whole bunch of stuff it gives us an example of the sentence mhm it says what's going on and then down a little bit further it has altered nations there's the cost of that exists in this language and here's what happens when you use that mhm [noise] so we go back to the to the fever page um let's try one you know we're called laying errors noted accused of it's kind of boring but don't let that fool view let's go look at yucky which is near the bottom and there for four to see is <unk> so do you click on the beach um you see that this language has a marvelous range of bailing see changing operations it has an executive a closet in the middle of pass it and it's an determined object right i love ah determine object for because it is marked with regis location [laughter] yeah in in um yucky anyway so and then any of these examples can be clicked on four more detail so there's lots of data hiding a little bit further into without how database is worth looking after you just learn about all of the possibilities for so see seems about the most boring verb conceivable but here we see that there are yes many languages just student <unk> or <unk> but there are a few that do things differently japanese uses a date experience or for this [noise] um [noise] so yes there's there's lots going on here much to be learned and its worst clicking on things that maybe you're not sure what they are just to see where it takes you [noise] <unk> ah charge just gotten lost in seventy two oh i'm just i'm just uh taking a look [laughter] so ah yeah <unk> learning how to read the coding friends is a little bit goofy so it might be worth looking at um some of their introductory material um but it's really great i would also strongly recommend for new languages <unk> that you're working on they've got eighty court meanings verbs here grabbed him putting them early into your language and start thinking about how you're feeling see works right 'cause as soon as you have like they're they're definitely like not you know you're going to need <unk> you might need more birds and the nets yeah [laughter] i'd have to have very small numbers of her but you probably won't need more but like as soon as you know like think then you could see well i think maybe the same pattern you can use for like consider or or uh well i mean think is is it think about er just think is is my first question when i say that it can be think or think about i mean that's another thing is they they expose assumptions you might make based on your native right right right right um but i mean like as soon as you've got you know you know see in here and smell i think they have and maybe if you have other perception verbs that you're including uh then you might have like maybe see and notice would have sort of the same pattern right that kind of stuff so it's it's sort of gives you a basis to go off off right um and and again as i mentioned before they're very lots of ultra nations going on here that they also bothered to ask about no not a languages have them and the all of those that have them even have examples but it's still definitely worse um checking into to think about the possibilities um right and yet start with those basic verbs because they're going to determine how the rest of the language herbs work okay next is clicks yes i love to collect smell <unk> <unk> that's the database of cross linguistic collect certifications and this uh this is one that's really easy to to get into <unk> uh and now this is based on work uh i forget the guy's name um i had used early version of this data um for a bunch of the maps and my toddler years the sars um but this is a nicer way to interact with it so clicks the front page is kind of it has pretty pictures but it's kind of dance she wants to go to the browse option mhm and then there'll be a little form uh for concept um view and then okay buttons to go to the concept and let's go with see again so what's your type to see you will see that there are four items in their database that they know seed seek see and seem so we're just gonna pick c. and leave the viewer load on community that <unk> okay mhm and then a little thing will see them into the screen which will show you um how frequent see is used the word for see also codes other things that are different in some language so this has to do with pull a semi words that mean multiple things so there are plenty of languages in which see and to look at the same item yeah and so you're getting once you get a nice graph year that shows that see and look at er quite frequently the same thing see and find happens sometimes um especially it looks like a foster nation languages um and see and the meat um also is moderately frequent um whereas to look at and meet um as a single example so you click see this little thing pops out and you have these words connected by lines if you hover over the word you will get some additional data um related to other data will see the moment and if you click over the line it will show you a long list of languages in which that um occurs what family there and and ah what the word is right so there's a lot of great data here at a tiny little <unk> uh showing you what's going on as well yeah [noise] so mostly you're going to <unk> so what this is this is you can use this multiple ways in a <unk> [noise] one you can decide that in my language see and find are simply going to be the same thing mhm you can have as a historical process you can say okay this word means see here in the early stage of the language but it'll later stage of the language it will mean something else and you can just start moving along these lines to do that or as another historical thing you might say okay this word means see um by itself but in some compounds that also means look at [noise] mhm [noise] so you know there are multiple ways to do this and i've talked about you know the colors that sars before and how to use that and this applies um all of that applies to this is <unk> yeah if you like using the <unk> the stores and looking at the map center this basically you can generate maps on the fly in here and just get a bunch of them [noise] you <unk> you might want to be cautious because occasionally get odd bugs in it but there is a bug so if you look up um if you type so as oh w yeah as in so seat and you get the community deal with that there's a hilarious bug yeah because it includes both so as in the plant and sal as in the pig right because it adds up because they're spelled identical lead the database scraps them both so you get a very improbable [laughter] somehow it can mean plant it can also mean pig and bore which is obviously a spelling error i told him about this and they're going to make a change that database to yeah to fix that filthy on the lookout <unk> most of the time it it makes makes ah plenty of sense well yeah right um the thing offers to excuse one's called a sub graphic art community too and one's called um a sub graphic view this up graphic view can sometimes produced amount that basically fills the screen [noise] ah it's it's more interesting for sort of like deep or or more radical changes over time uh but if you like do it for see you'll just get a jumble that's when we ah ah change it to <unk> okay and uh it's not available really it doesn't allow me to do it [laughter] any normal diet map um that has words that it it the oh now it's doing it yes oh yeah it's um yeah it's kinda huge now it's just basically um bringing together some of those more marginal collections and you get this gigantic um collection yeah also um another thing if you instead of doing the the browse you go to <unk> and you go to like um oh links you can get these things as a list too right um so it depends on if you if you like to look at the list that's the that's the handy thing to do the i think the the browse handy isn't like a visual thing of like oh i have this map i could go like from this point to this point to this point um but uh i think this is like my new thing that i will be looking at when i'm uh making vocabulary there's the other thing they have their core concepts right right so you won't you won't find everything right and the the the cliques database is generated um automatically are there are a bunch of databases um and they did that existed because of the um another database of uh frequency of bird borrowing uh-huh which i'm not included too because that's less interesting to me as a common and they use that to generate these maps automatically um so yeah it's only this like two thousand were uh list um but they're basically the state of based on [noise] yeah and like some things you don't get much like i just looked up sugar and it just says that there's four languages where it's the same as sugar cane okay which you know that's useful but i think you know it you know i i would want to like uh i i know because i recently added a word for sugar a big thing is like a huge number of language is just borrowed it right uh [noise] from sanskrit or from arabic much borrowed it from sanskrit or and so it's it's it's gonna be hard to get any get much of it much um from that particular word so it just depends on like what word you're looking for uh but still a lot of these are our fare or corporate civil calculators so yeah there are a useful starting place yeah it's it's it's yeah definitely a useful starting place so similar to this is a database called dead s. t. e. d. t. from berkley i don't i don't remember what that means [noise] um [noise] and it's also has a long list of uh concept and words in them and what they are two different um sign up to baton languages [noise] no this is similar to cliques but ah curator differently and focused entirely um sign up to bat in languages mhm so the [noise] the page that we have linked here will take you to a long list the most interesting ones um we'll have large numbers in uh the number of emma column obviously um and the ones with the flow chart we'll have things that look like the the match that you've seen clicks now the website is broken which i told them about this is normally the page should show you an image of the semantic math but instead you get a broken image box yeah if you click on that you'll still be given a uh p._b._s. okay um so you can still see them after he was i for some reason <unk> the <unk> ah for ah ear wax ah which is <unk> with stock in some languages so that's something i didn't know before [laughter] um so again lots of interesting to listen means ah [noise] focused on the side of defend region right and then finally in the same sort of thing is a project uh a database of um semantics shift this is useful right this is again same idea polygamy meanings that change over time so if you go to the front page of getting you um i._d. number for is to taste can interchange with to try to attempt right so do you go to the far right and do the show but it will give you examples from the language and they classify [noise] whether it's just a <unk> so apparently owned shot in swahili could mean to taste or try mhm um but they also have derivation where there's some route in common uh even though the actual words are different right and that's <unk> that's really important to think about it sometimes <unk> only show up and composer generations um and not and just how the word is used in day to day life right you don't want to be like making just like piling on alyssa me into one word route you also want to do derivation <unk> stuff uh make things more interesting right and it's pretty common for a word to have one meaning by itself and um a larger or smaller range of meanings winning compounds right which reflects you know when earlier station which [noise] um this data bases pretty fun uh in addition to just having actual words um it does a concept thing [noise] um so do you click on the meanings have you'll see that it starts with a bunch of items that are in uh ankle brackets mhm and those mean that the word uh what example for example is bird square the angle brackets bird mhm means that uh let me search here for the bird uh it means that different words for bird are <unk> with words for people who talk too much [laughter] so or talkative person it may be a different bird in different languages english apparently uses j. um uh the ice lenders use that kind of goal uh parakeets rico can be a <unk> in some <unk> spanish um uh turkish uses jay atone so far so it's not just oh the word for crow means chatter box because italians there it has this <unk> there's a little bit more thinking this is it lots of different words or different languages like to pick some noisy bird um to represent the people who talk too much um another one you know apparently some words bird is ultra related to that worked for <unk> yeah i don't uh now i can't like i don't know what's going on but i can't get into the information that you're talking about if you go to the uh semantics shifts uh-huh and uh hit search uh-huh and then meaning a it's a huge list and you need to bring that down and birds there don't play pick any of the other stuff and they just hit search and then you'll get a different options on the bottom [laughter] okay so talkative person <unk> yeah the federal one seems to be confined to the ball can area okay that's the way indian romanian ukrainian i guess a rainy romanians not reason bulk and that's a good deals anyway so the vulcan slavic here anyway so their data is pretty um solid in the sense that they give you the extra day that you care about um i prefer to pick ones with lots more examples <unk> accepted realizations if that has a bigger number that i typically happier lots of languages from the old soviet <unk> very well represented um and the further away you get from that the less well represented language so but there's a good um cross simplistic coverage in general <unk> interesting yeah yeah so that's it for a databases that i found especially interest yeah so that's yeah i'm not i think about all we can wrap up we can do and <unk> uh the like uh this <unk> this stuff is actually helping me too because like the greek clicks and be semantic shift database art tools i'm going to use now because before i was looking at the con language the sars and uh the thing that i still make do is look at which mary ah it's not designed for this kind of thing yeah but you could look up a word on on which nursery and you'll get you can get like a bunch of translations and then you click through and see like what do those translations and other languages mean what're <unk> animal allergies and stuff but like i think that i'm going to uh push aside that more now and just do that when i can't find something in clicks right or or in some ethic ships or or something because um you know it's great you know if they i don't find the word in those ones than i might be able to find some information but uh there are there are a bunch of um lexical maps and that's the sars that i wrote that um are not from clicks so therefore they're going to be some data they're that southern clicks i'm certainly not going to add any <unk> any more to um [noise] the <unk> just because it's more conveniently available in in the <unk> state of it yeah it's easier it's easy to look it clicks yeah and um so this is going to change the way i do some my lecture com yeah bunkers so right it becomes really easy when you first discover these things like highway to make this <unk> seven things um right i think what i can recommend is tall dog like take the cliques map and just like make one word mean be entire map [laughter] right 'cause that would be crazy i mean you could it could happen theoretically but more likely like you could pick one or two of those and then you could also like go and get your creative juices go in and see well i mean you know maybe i can put this other meaning onto this word because again clicks is not exhaustive all languages right and there's a lot of <unk> only occur in one language right so you still you know want to like take a look at this as an inspiration him as a tool but you can also just go a little bit crazy on on your own do do your own stuff [laughter] yeah <unk> yeah clicks is wonderful i'm surprised that they were told you about it before it's a great tool i think you yeah i think the first you mentioned it to me was uh when we met with the madison pound language this month oh [laughter] and then uh and then i forgot the name of it until now so [noise] um yeah if there are any of that we're missing police comment and let us know 'cause i'm always happy to hear about this nice big [noise] is a big database is a new ones are occurring fairly regularly [noise] anything else we need to say george i'm not really i think we're good okay um uh i will say like these are different but um i i would say you know all of these tools or you know things to give you inspiration [noise] you don't have to feel constrained by them right right as as williams said at the front and you don't need to um like i was just saying you don't need to like use these to promote like kitchen sink semantics and like throw a whole map at the one where um but that might be fun [laughter] did you see a lot of really weirdly broad words hitting the language [laughter] that would be it might be fun yeah yeah yeah honestly i mean we don't use words by themselves sweetness words with other words and it might be quite clear very often based um the argument structure um what what meaning it's intended anyway yeah right someone l._a. that experiment is we [laughter] well but um yeah if if you if you'd deliberately wanna just do that then sure tell us about it if you think it's succeeds yeah but uh otherwise it's just it's just something to look after see what's what's <unk> what's <unk> i mean like no you know the sea and look at things you see that you see okay this is really common i can just use <unk> yeah um [noise] so [noise] it's they're they're very useful tools for people to look at these things and looked at them in more languages than you would usually [noise] than any one online or [noise] news on in their own [laughter] well [noise] okay [noise] so [noise] with all of that i'm gonna say thank you for listening and happy homeland [noise] thank you for listening to con lying or you could find our archives in sherman oaks <unk> dot com [noise] we could support the show on patron ask patriotic dot com slash <unk> you can also follow us on baseball quieter brutal plus and on top of more now all of those you just find online or our web space is provided by the language creation society farsi music is by no device on our news site was designed by bianca richard [noise]

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