Conlangery #17: Aspect

Conlangery #17: Aspect

Published: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:00:18 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 <unk> <unk> <unk> huh <unk> [noise] [noise] [noise] then well like the <unk> started like which is people create <unk> my lovely pro coach bianca hello [laughter] it's a great state of wisconsin we have had uh hello i'm <unk> [laughter] [laughter] uh <unk> his picture huh she will will picture yeah but i was just saying you're finally say i'm lovely but he never say he's lovely coach he's uh do i don't care who love <unk> [laughter] but anyway uh uh from the fact that he's <unk> not <unk> nah [laughter] i don't think i'd big cult do quite a long time either yeah as we're recording this year finally going removing yeah [noise] so i guess our next episode that i'm in [noise] whenever that is a winning then by the way well good luck with that i hope everything arrives that's a <unk> so you're going to be an english yeah that's good news will be probably changing the recording type too but ah we'll talk about that later but anyway so last week we tried to talk about pets and aspect that we've found out the pets what you'd call [laughter] oh it'll be easy pet for the future who cares [noise] went down no and then and then we start talking about oh ah you have <unk> past and you have various different distinctions it passed in the future and you can have relatives that says and all this <unk> long story short we split that we're going to just do the partner is a three part series and so we're doing aspect day but then mood next week so i feel like we should call it the holy trinity or find [noise] uh i don't know i don't necessarily have to go i'd be you choose that already 'cause i already <unk> for the first one pretty sure i said it before that too i think i said holy verbal credit or you or something [noise] regardless but yes so aspect pets aspect or the easiest to get right 'cause <unk> deal with when it's hot slipping happen aspect i would say supported as simple as possible is to say it is how something happen so whether it happen continuously whether it's uh something that's habitual whether whether it's a single event [noise] hearing on it stealing yeah what what you say that that well you say that's a good sort of some up for it it's sort of a good <unk> but the issue is even deeper more complicated than that aspect in the strictest sense just describes sort of a temper rule window or temperamental slow or a lack of such a thing how would appears to the point of view of the speaker this is very important if i say i was going to the store yesterday and i went to the store yesterday i've used to two different aspects but i'm describing an identical act but i use i use the aspects [noise] for discourse reasons and you know what's most important and how it fits in with the with the rest of what i'm saying [noise] this is complicated by the fact that most verbs have something called lexical aspect there's an intrinsic time [noise] or or duration or lack of duration associated with any verb so then you have the mix of grammar aspect and lexical aspect and people get all confused 'cause they started thinking [laughter] yeah i i went right in this a lot when people were first trying to figure out not be verbs which are much more aspect obsessed than they are tense obsessed and people were constantly getting confused because a word like sleep [noise] seems inherently derivative [noise] it goes on for a long time so the idea that that would occur in the perfect was very confusing to people but [noise] that has to do with the the lexical aspect of the river which is completely independent of the grammatical aspect [laughter] that is an interesting thing that you would bring up sleep because i remember from spanish classes that if you use sleep in the <unk> that means he was sleeping it it it's the the act of being asleep but if you use it in the predator it it usually means somewhat fell asleep exactly and that's a very common distinction as well in ancient greek [noise] you're constantly having to think about the lexical aspect especially um is the <unk> or not [noise] that is does it have an <unk> and the point [noise] um interacts with with aspect in funky ways such that a inherently eighty like vermont like these sick when used in the prospective aspect means to get sick and it can never ever mean that with something like sleep [noise] see that's interesting not not sleepy it can't mean that with something like you know sit down or sneeze or whatever you can't have that sense oh okay that's something <unk> thing uh that you can do that with her effective it <unk> i did something similar in what language i was working on that i actually used <unk> to make that distinction <unk> sure and and some language is to have a separate inception why don't we roll back and talk about just the perfect him in the <unk> the most fundamental yeah those are the most caught and then we can go on to the the the world of of a special exotic uh from there [noise] okay so her affective in perspective you probably will run into this and a lot of languages even i think even english has some degree so it's sort of complicated way function but well we talked about this last time tense an aspect or the markers dinner so likely to get jumbled together that at some times becomes difficult to talk about just tense or just aspect in languages when they're all mixed up so english puts us at a disadvantage my point of reference for that is in spanish so this is uh <unk> and <unk> that's an aspect because it's only in the past that jesus sanction and you see there's the predator <unk> which is all you could call it affected because that's what it is and the <unk> and <unk> just to explain prove listeners reverse to sort of <unk> the complete in the past the my right basically saying that no well [noise] [laughter] [noise] when people say complete my head explodes okay we're we're not necessarily describing an action that is complete we are presenting it as a package event right okay so that that might hit it completion especially in the past maybe depending on the the the lexical aspect of my very strongly imply completion but that is not the fundamental job of the perfect aspect you does that indicate completion it is it presentation of the <unk> in in the solvable whole yeah i went to the store credits <unk> attack hi hi patty labelle hi i i'm a wall and <unk> it's a way and that's about all like [laughter] i hear um i think of the best way to explain it is with an example on i'll take an example spanish okay so you have say somebody says kwan though uh this creepy uh <unk> <unk> while i was writing he interrupted that's sort of a common way too so [noise] <unk> and then if it's the law yes so while i was <unk> yeah [noise] while i was writing is in <unk> and it's there's that thing that if that as something that's going on going yeah at the time at this point in the narrative and then he interrupted me is perfect and it's presented as a single fat in this case interrupting the literally interrupting the the <unk> thing you're works scott sure so i've heard too descriptions of the <unk> of the perfect of imperfect of distinction [noise] um it's not quite as <unk> wouldn't be on 'cause teachers gave her the first is the <unk> is a movie the perspective is a snapshot uh-huh that makes sense right and from the discourse perspective and this i find far more useful once people get used to thinking about discourse matters [noise] the <unk> background the perfect of is for foreground yeah ah drive the fat found conditions in situations <unk> effective and then you use the prospective to describe the relevant <unk> in front of it if i were walking on the street and i ran up to complete stranger and i said i was going to the bookstore they wouldn't want me to say something after that [laughter] i've used it in perspective i am setting them up i've given them background and now i should say something that's true when you're in giving these examples and and i <unk> i was like no matter what happens [laughter] exactly exactly so then i was hit by a bus [laughter] exactly or <unk> <unk> in my case i was trying to catch a bus [laughter] <unk> [laughter] um so i i find those especially the foreground background distinction is far more useful starting place to really get the core of aspect because that's what aspect means right uh view [noise] and then the aspects that start to move out and take on other sorts of senses so that you're in perspective almost always also means progressive <unk> activity and your perspective then searched lead into the sense of completion um more overtly that's <unk> i mean <unk> [noise] hey had thailand <unk> i'm spanish certainly how mhm uh well like <unk> very similar golf but yeah <unk> [laughter] because probably 'cause we weren't voting you might know from the examples in english or giving we kind of used the past progressive warm and you know sort of a an imperfect you sure i would consider them you perfected frankly yeah so um now that we have that basic distinction and [noise] i know that looking at different languages it seems like it could be very easily when you have some one where um language that's very <unk> to a language <unk> aspect heavy very common for somebody to mistake a perfect do for a past tense right yes i think that's right too <unk> i see that in manager and all the time people thinking of <unk> as a past tense wondering sexually uh aspect market right um <unk> honestly it it's a little unnerving if you're used to tennis language to be thrown into a language that no longer has it that that was honestly one of them were puzzling parts of me about chinese getting comfortable with the idea that actually i'd verbs can't do the job of tense [laughter] address and contacts actually are enough [noise] yeah it's oh no i kind of got used to it and internalized that [noise] but there's still a little bit of <unk> <unk> me i'm like uh the uh a little bit of me that has trouble with the fact with ah like difference between <unk> war but [noise] we could kind of talk more about i think we've got the perfect event perfected stuff out [noise] but there's so many more aspect that you can throw in in fact i may just linked to the the big <unk> a list of aspects because there's there's lots of them there's there are <unk> yeah you probably if you have any aspects you probably have perfected perfect but you have <unk> do you have dirt do you have all sorts of insanity well there's <unk> there are a few that are more common than others mhm i think the usage of which sometimes gets called the the ritual which is <unk> you know i used to do something so you got <unk> where you do something they're <unk> all the time [laughter] you <unk> have has the idea of something that you used to be regular but he's no longer nah i used to run to catch the bus [laughter] [laughter] i have no i'm in l._a. how though [laughter] i i never heard of that as a specific aspect actually we're sure so that's really common and then you have incentive or in <unk> which is incentive usually means just to start to do something [noise] and in code is is usually the same idea but for <unk> so the idea of you know i got sick isn't in code if whereas i started to read the book is an incentive but some languages complete the two of them yeah and <unk> right i don't call them <unk> sure wait a minute wait a minute what was in code of yep that's that's entering into a state [noise] oh okay yeah i kind of cold army right <unk> <unk> and that <unk> [laughter] <unk> yeah you guys have the one night and like i think if you're getting not only a semi wow ah no the the about too sometimes called the perspective is yet another yeah so it kind of it that's kind of makes an aspect attached yeah i mean the the big example of something that completely confused as both aspect and test is the english or or rather just sort of western european perfect [laughter] i have eaten indicates that have passed act <unk> you know has consequences and the present yeah and do um retrospect there might be a better term for it because it's you you because you don't wanna confused perfect with her perfected pitzer entirely different thing they're completely different things [laughter] <unk> [laughter] ah but um yeah those yeah the the perfect is kind of a weird one because well i'd hardly thing i notice is so we mentioned in our tents thing that future is the moody as some of the pets is [laughter] i think past might be the most aspect driven up the <unk> that's probably true ah <unk> <unk> we do talk about <unk> you know mankind my paycheck shit on all the hell's happening but you know now it did happen i <unk> but i still would say like there are certain aspects like bitch or aggressive or something that can be like to the to the president but like the <unk> those exist in the past that man [noise] um [noise] with languages up ten still use for everything um very very few languages have an overt presents for effective if you do but uh tend to do weird things like turned into a future [laughter] yeah um i think that's what happened in bulgarian which technically has you know that box filled in the intersection of prison i think it's both i forget that helped me to that [noise] um [noise] i i have her um in chinese people use <unk> which is basically a perfect [laughter] in the present to me ah like <unk> with me i'm coming now but <unk> it's indicate that you've yeah right it seems but i think that i think that's a different <unk> yeah the affective <unk> too many different things it's hard to [laughter] hi it down to one thing so yeah [noise] so the only thing i wanted to add in addition to you know the sort of <unk> at the perfect of might take on [noise] and this sort of progressive or <unk> the imperfect my turn on the perfect of in a number of language i've i've seen <unk> used to indicate a interior passed so in complex sentences in english we use very confusing lead to pass perfect after i had to run to catch the bus [laughter] my tended was no longer attached properly right so i just driving stepping in the past and i need to go even you know the past or the pastor the interior path in in a number of different languages i've seen the prospective gets used for that and i i think that's i think that's normal i think that's that's that's a general habit outside of even european languages by the way i think i i failed to actually put that in the last episode the example about uh running to the bus than having some injury this is something that actually happened to william <unk> [laughter] the splinter comes off tomorrow [laughter] [noise] um yeah that's why i keep using that as an example [noise] [noise] [noise] i think a lot of using that [noise] her factor i think that are from last time i actually have more friends right <unk> <unk> <unk> [noise] [noise] you know yeah <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> i <unk> i can drag it out and not be foolish [laughter] well english uses the perfect to indicate experience um i have eaten <unk> he's a statement of something i've done that some indefinite time in the past and then other languages actually have like a specific right so miserably yeah has an experience <unk> yeah so is that what do you call that an aspect [noise] gosh i don't know you get some of these things that becomes really hard to tell what's going on here yeah that [noise] i don't know i even <unk> you know i don't know either [laughter] i think it usually gets all the <unk> you know it will be in the same chapter that love occurs assuming it's not gotten its own thing so it's sort of group who the aspect [laughter] 'cause it 'cause it has similar morphology <unk> well similar syntax rather [noise] but yeah i don't know actually honestly chinese is not the best example even though it's an aspect heavy language just because it's so hard to heal part what the aspects are small that kinda i happened to <unk> [noise] yes and then we go ahead no ashtrays and we haven't even talked about the complete madness that is not over yet oh so tell us about now i love <unk> so much [noise] it has eleven primary aspects and ten some aspects no vote or oh dear is right the <unk> the <unk> some aspect can cross cut with all of the primary aspect in theory some of them don't make any semantics and so they don't occur and some of the sub aspects can even co worker [noise] um [noise] and because it's not <unk> determining what an aspect and <unk> aspect or him play involve some horrible combination of <unk> indifferent <unk> template slots and the verbs then chosen right so let's let's <unk> they don't call them <unk> to give them different names which is annoying but they have the perfect of an imperfect uh as primary aspect they have the repetitive which indicates an action that is done over and over again [laughter] they have something called the simple fact of which describes a single act mm [noise] there is a diversity of which indicates that either the subject of an internship for the object indirect object of uh transit <unk> [noise] is it involves movement here and there are two and <unk> <unk> okay [laughter] um there's a comedy of which indicates that there's an attempt to do something but it's coded like it's called like an aspect um although for non goal oriented so for eighteen like verbs an ancient greek if you use them in the in perfected it can mean that you are trying to do something [noise] so that's another case for things that complicated and and i'm not going to go through all of the the the primary aspects of <unk> because there's a bunch of [noise] some of it's lexical and we'll talk about that in the second reminds me um in spanish actually if you put something if you say you cry do something if you put that something the <unk> of what you were trying to do or you have to it's the verb what's <unk> tri rails near them ah china right on right car no authority but anyway there's something about if you put it in in perfect dip it means you tried it and you fail but if you put it in perspective it means you tried that succeeded okay that's right <unk> yeah yeah [noise] and then when we get to the sub aspects we get to some of these things like to start doing something the inception determined to do to stop doing something [noise] um my favorite is the <unk> of which means to do something one more time [laughter] what am i there there's a there's a marginal aspects which involves several pre fixes that means that you started to do something and we're interrupted but haven't picks it up again yet ah hey if yeah i i [noise] some of them are good um [noise] now some of this <unk> both within the aspects and both and within the some aspects to say that these are available in navajos little misleading some of them are pretty lexical okay so you're you're <unk> at the simplest tends to be extremely generics concepts [noise] from which many winner altogether different verbs in in other languages are drive by combining you know <unk> and various kinds of repetition and and so on [noise] some of the aspects and um some aspects are only used with verbs of motion summer only use with verbs of [noise] uh well effectively bruce we're giving um and and that so it's a very complicated system but it's not like every verb has that entire <unk> available mm which is good because who wants to hundred and [laughter] <unk> [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] anyway so so that kind of strange things a lot so this sounds terrifying but much of it will be memorized especially by speakers of other languages and probably even in sort of needs food if since the native speakers have simply different verb mm okay not not this this analysis is very um you know pulling things apart and and might be useful but it's probably not how people are thinking about things when they're speaking okay so if [noise] you could almost say that if you get like tons and tons of aspects that they can turn into a derivation old <unk> sure sure i think that's right um one of the guys who was most <unk> the guy who's most responsible for the sort of fan compiled not be dictionary decided shoo [noise] he was going to spend exactly six thirty days and he was going to invent a language and he borrowed a lot of the the sort of primary and secondary aspect system of <unk> [noise] and after he was finished with the language he realized he had no idea how to use the aspects system produced for himself [laughter] this has happened to me before i'm sure i have lots of language adventures they said this is cool and they go crazy and like wait a minute [laughter] ah this this happened to me slightly but not with aspect specifically with other things but uh i won't go into that now but anyway [noise] so i guess i've talked about all these complicated aspects and if people want to go back and think about them i want to really really emphasize that this is about presenting an act it doesn't necessarily you can you can describe the same events with many different aspects <unk> nothing about the event has changed it's just how you present it in the in the the larger discourse [noise] mhm yeah i mean it's like you're going out of the picture <unk> they'll let you focus on on that pay check can regulate change yeah isn't it yeah it's it's as much about what you're thinking as it is about how the forget my early explanation about trying to say it's how it happened but if it's how you're <unk> you're right and and when you're documenting your language and your duck and if you're going with lots of aspects you need to give us examples that are complex sentences or that are several sentences current together 'cause that's where aspect really shy just gives me one sentence with an imperfect translation that should be secondary [laughter] yeah my in my opinion preferably right narrative in the language so you get down what the aspects do and that sure that's a good test yeah yeah it's a good <unk> well [noise] it's a good test for a lot of things yet but aspect really works best in [noise] due to present the distinctions works best in in the context of more than one thing going on yeah i <unk> i agree [laughter] i'm like <unk> if i hadn't even heard of is a very important uh part of what language is used for anyway so it's always a good idea <unk> exactly what last thing i want us to say is i'm thinking [noise] i don't know if there really are there any languages that lack [noise] even the <unk> [noise] i don't know i mean gaming climatic korea altogether altogether including harass [noise] [noise] [noise] i got now i <unk> i don't know if that's grammatical <unk> i don't know that much i'm not sure i mean there's probably like plenty of languages that lack yet um saint louis <unk> really morphological <unk> we can't really do it but there are <unk> ways of doing yet [noise] [noise] yeah i would say that that aspect is intrinsic to the english verbs system it's just coated differently <unk> it's very hot safe yeah [noise] <unk> [noise] so i was thinking i would say at least the <unk> if <unk> even if you're not going to include morphological like you might wanna think about how to make it so that <unk> even if you're not <unk> it's not even gonna show up in your grammar as perfected it right but uh but right so things like arabs might get used yeah some writing so in um in some language is the ad for already tends to turn quickly because it gets used a lot for marking what's effectively a perfect sense and eventually get to blood all sense of already interest becomes a perfect of marker [noise] and then they have to invent a new word for already [laughter] <unk> how come i may have <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] you know you <unk> and <unk> and that and i like together [noise] that sounds highly a natural to me i can't think of a sandwich where where did that occurs i mean where you have tents <unk> complex ten system i mean like i said <unk> is as you've seen completely aspect obsessed but it it doesn't mark pastor president really has sort of uh well there's one kind of passing thing but we'll ignore that [laughter] but it does have it has really robust morphological future 'cause the future's weird [noise] and it was also you know the same sort of thing that happens for the future happens for things like the opposite fried it's very mood like yeah [noise] so i can't think of the language has the usual you know past versus non passed or whatever and then also has some sort of separate says i can't think of anything that does that [noise] i <unk> <unk> you know more than me [laughter] [noise] yeah well i think if anyone knows they should tell us oh now i have now you have to learn from it seems to me like aspect we covered the basics of it but if you want to go really crazy with it you're probably gonna have to do research yourself yes uh [noise] then we can point you in the in the direction do that but i think we can move on to sue unless you had something to save younger no okay well so far future calling today and forgive me if i miss pronounce this i'm not sure what it is but it's [noise] uh [noise] <unk> or <unk> and this is <unk> what's the name of the guy bianca um primarily from on now [laughter] i don't believe in <unk> [noise] let's see if i can yeah uh [noise] if it's on his thing but ah the uncle you extracted this out if this person right you convince them or shame to them into giving us their grandparents <unk> good friday <unk> [laughter] okay um did you [noise] he's on his he'd be be right maybe i don't know that c. b. i only might be out both um but i i try and you know how much <unk> since they <unk> nice sets of classes mhm yeah he's good he's good blessing [noise] you know i found it and casting fashion audio example i don't have that [laughter] which is also quite interesting [noise] so <unk> is part of i'm guessing this entire family is [noise] [noise] right the yellow yet well family that um it's supposed to be in canada yeah it's sort of um eastern canada yeah it's kind of <unk> that way and that it [noise] yeah <unk> <unk> has this <unk> history about like it was the the um and it's written like an actual like linguistic study where he talks about so the <unk> <unk> are seem to have been from <unk> and they may have had contact with <unk> no <unk> <unk> there were people [noise] but that's not exactly certain what timeframe and they ah it <unk> them all that stuff and so i don't know how much <unk> affects his so you were mentioning that it's mostly the baskin which would be no no no i wouldn't say i think most say he he's clearly the inventor clearly knows about ethics asking okay but but there's nothing especially as of asking about the rest of the language okay fine it's i think they were assigned that <unk> quite now whatever i don't <unk> how <unk> cats are [laughter] they can't know everything guy yeah i don't find when can i don't know i can't analyze frankly where the influences <unk> obviously he created that they've hired like fictional family but um i found a few things interesting and they're very things that make you feel very natural and very like this thinking of all like so i didn't get <unk> and the grammar but i did read about the mark and <unk> now for [noise] with the different with different differences and how the <unk> for a curves based on the <unk> them and it's interesting that like you have certain cases that derived from the mark warm and some <unk> uh cricket yeah no that's true [noise] yeah <unk> have you seen testing i don't know what <unk> honestly that reminded me a little bit of <unk> grades in in in uh <unk> in the european [noise] where a word might shift apple out [noise] um in different parts of the <unk> fortunately most towards do this is er if i recall correctly but some did oh okay [noise] um put the [noise] you sit there was some interesting stuff with aspect in <unk> right <unk> it has uh this this dual system of primary versus some aspects okay um and just like my <unk> you have little <unk> primary plus the secondary ply married less inside their secondary [noise] um [noise] so right let's see we have let me find that <unk> [noise] to convince the pages aren't written that's very <unk> um can we convinced this person to um like let the i know he's very protective of it but it'd be nice if other people could look at this language 'cause it's really interesting i didn't deserve [laughter] yeah i i agree i <unk> [noise] not you want to be completely <unk> complete it'll be like six hundred pages long yeah we should you should mention at this point [noise] there are one hundred <unk> this this grammar as a hundred and thirty nine pages long and it's still not complete [noise] i think we should also now it's called <unk> [laughter] which kills me david introduction you should explain because it was soccer feet [laughter] unless the one thing that i found that i mean i get thirty nine pages [noise] there's there's brian er <unk> does have another <unk> yeah there's no <unk> there's no phonology section which is why i wasn't sure how to pronounce it but [noise] oh no i'm not gonna fall came on that quite a bit yeah yeah honestly i really hope that um by the time we get this publish or sometime soon afterward <unk> online i lick it in the <unk> if he has it on line but so far he doesn't um found the staff at not like <unk> you can <unk> um the sat on the <unk> [noise] pretty much <unk> okay but so he's got he's got a simple ten system [noise] of um [noise] i need them out of your sample yeah oh i took <unk> okay so we have things like <unk> conclusive <unk> inconclusive [laughter] present perfect conclusive and he gives <unk> some sort of fucking it's about what these things mean [noise] and then it usually at least two example sometimes three [noise] not um some of them are are not i would prefer complex sentenced to know exactly what's going on but okay why don't we play the <unk> the audio sample and then i'll get back we'll get back to the park with that so [laughter] [noise] so um let me see no [noise] <unk> yeah <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> you you don't mean i [noise] i'm in the u._n. and eats up yeah <unk> how many [noise] now that's come on you know once you know i'm not saying hello hello hello i'm sorry you interrupted well i i forgot to set it up see here ah but i don't know listeners her all of that so okay fine [laughter] but um the sound of it it doesn't sound the uh so much like a native american language and that might be deliberate at least to me but i agree uh-huh um [noise] oh that suddenly the aspect list [laughter] see what has four primary aspects conclusive inconclusive habitual in perspective [laughter] glistening inconclusive to me sound more like lexical aspect [noise] um and then it has eight secondary aspects reverse of what should be like you know undo something simple fact of <unk> frequent to do <unk> and demand you too [noise] so some of these certain really yeah i'm gonna go see what that means um [noise] [noise] yeah that's all it is uh aspect <unk> oh that's nice so this language is so big i don't know if we can really cover everything that maybe i wouldn't even try yeah alex <unk> an action frightening [laughter] <unk> yes for somebody <unk> it mhm that's a little hard [noise] i wouldn't i don't know well i mean if the morphology is identical to an aspect and it's sort of makes sense for to put it in the aspect but i'm not sure i would consider that aspect [laughter] but that's one of those <unk> and <unk> and you know i kind of <unk> [noise] [laughter] alright alright that's useful phrased to be useful verbal especial half assed mood [laughter] right [noise] <unk> if he doesn't have something on line can you try to ask him permission <unk> our our site um by the time by the time there's posts but i don't think we're going to get through like talking about everything and i don't think we're going to do it justice out i completely agree i'm gonna i'm gonna linked to the forum through it and i hope he gets his grammar on line sometimes and [noise] i mean even actually <unk> i now that that's a good amount of <unk> just seeing how like <unk> which i like that at least that's available but i yeah <unk> <unk> quite a lot of <unk> yeah let's [noise] it has a completely fear <unk> morphology [noise] oh yeah [noise] he might have known marking for singular versus plural but at the table that fills an entire page and part of another one yeah it's <unk> the the ah the morphology as burgers [noise] i think the way that he did it the the uh the tables that he did i think it's part of how he's trying to present the grammar which is has hey <unk> hey hey hey hey documentation oh as if it were a documentation are real language uh-huh so called the learners grammar yeah you are going on in spanish rice gotten criminal <unk> [laughter] and i'm pretty sure those don't really do the tables up as much [laughter] [laughter] but uh hey there were some sections where i was wishing you had actually some examples where he did but in the most for the most part he had tons of <unk> [noise] yeah um well i think [noise] why don't we before we are right run two law on time why don't we move on shoes the feedback and because we're not going to talk about everything that's language [laughter] big <unk> allies we would be talking for years i can say that just one quick thing what to say that i really liked is i always enjoy seeing another language that is preoccupied with [noise] um agency under control oh yeah yeah right so did you do something on purpose or did you trip [noise] which some languages especially native american languages can be very fussy about in this one is also which i like oh let's go quite like that i <unk> i only recently kind of got an sat with my second my rights and it's just a whole new world [laughter] [laughter] it is i i need to study how that hurts because i <unk> [noise] well um i'm a rewriting if i <unk> i went to incorporate some of that [noise] somebody said i was lucky that [laughter] but uh he doesn't say say he said i was lacking some of the things that go along with <unk> that is wonderful but uh [noise] but anyway um i <unk> i don't we move on to [noise] um our feedback from it [noise] because there are some feedback but i really want to talk about [noise] so we got an email from a guy named oh one in maine u._s._a. [noise] not too far from you will what kind of <unk> that actually [laughter] i i completely lie because i have a guy [laughter] but i was thinking i i've heard you know i think i was thinking in the realm of michigan but it's actually buddies farther away would be closer <unk> anyway he said <unk> probably actually closer to me it'd be <unk> uh-huh [laughter] [noise] but uh anyway he said hi discovery potash uh last weekend on <unk> and i've been listening to all episode this week which by the way i'm glad that somebody five this i too because i didn't expect that [noise] i really love what you're doing uh i've been interested in <unk> her almost thirty years mostly in a vacuum so it has been wonderful you're talking about the topic <unk> my <unk> i was fascinated to cure the like me you tend to use <unk> so so spreadsheets screwing out your <unk> your average [noise] i i think talking <unk> about me because i use google box i don't use spreadsheets and spreadsheets [noise] um [noise] he <unk> and he said i have just cried i'm gonna call this lick <unk> yep yeah on on windows <unk> hey where where's the wigs style editor that output p._d._f. using tech and i have to say it's very good quite easy screws based like well well laid out documents so thanks for the heads up [noise] um i actually downloaded lick <unk> however you pronounce it mhm and um it's a good program i like it but uh i need to figure out how to make it functions because um there was something that failed that download during the installation i think it's just some <unk> libraries or something yeah and it will print so weird yeah it won't print or or to a printer or to uh uh post script [noise] i hadn't realized that this project was still alive i had i would have mentioned it during the thing 'cause it it it gives you the best of both worlds it's a little more friendly for people who do not want to produce markup [noise] but it gives you um a lot of the the really wonderfully [noise] um tighten sophisticated type setting that you get out of the tech so <unk> i keep wanting steady income right now <unk> <unk> <unk> but then after i got on the office and i'm like okay well i'm glad i finished it like <unk> it's kinda hard to get around so i was trying out liquor and [noise] there's some things i still can't like i can't figure out how do the number of examples like you see in <unk> [noise] oh that's that should be easy okay okay it's weird um uh he also said fast if we have any examples <unk> personal contact she says you hear a lot of yeah [laughter] actually that's actually in you know that's <unk> and y'all <unk> is mine that's you spell it almost right instead of a g. h. i use an ex more um but ah [noise] the guys to publish them too well mine online [noise] yeah <unk> i'll i'll like two oh <unk> yeah <unk> me the link put it on to talk and i'll like to that yeah i don't have anything on line up by the time i publish this i'm mike hi julio on line but that's an entirely different language from <unk> i'm not working out and you all talk because it's you know a world that i'm not working out at all right now but [noise] uh i could work up something on it [noise] i have like i say <unk> barely started grammar on it so i might be able to work up some stuff [noise] and uh the last thing was he was saying um i'm not a linguist by any means i tend to relate all my <unk> st louis french german <unk> so does these are the languages i know i would love some tips from you on how to avoid making making my pepsi <unk> german spanish and lie for him [laughter] learn novel ho learn um you're out in front learnt nah i <unk> yeah learned learning not into european m._s. yeah learn learn it in the sense of get a good grammar obviously right so the joke is that um a linguist is somebody who checks at a book from the library on friday and comes to work monday saying they know swahili well [noise] that's my ah you need to be <unk> but you don't really of course the swahili but yeah no <unk> we don't you you might suddenly discover that you want to learn i don't know black foot or something [noise] but these days you just really easy to find large detailed will last <unk> of endangered languages that operate altogether differently from into european languages yeah george maybe i'll give you a few links just to include you know when you when you post [noise] it it's so wonderful to find these things um we can <unk> it's surprisingly good you know decide we we've talked today about the arab asking language family [noise] which <unk> has the same language family category just look at all of them some of them will have links to really great resources some of them <unk> yeah i mean i so i picked something absolutely <unk> will have some selling commission on it i will say <unk> better on grammatical features then on the <unk> which is just because <unk> articles can only be so long yeah right right right right well <unk> they can give you a taste and and and very often [noise] we'll have reference links to very complete references yeah um yeah that's that's the information [noise] the same thing i i would say is <unk> in the european languages [noise] <unk> <unk> but it's great to see somebody [noise] talking to us and enjoying the <unk> i have one more for <unk> that somebody had one thing if you have access to a good library see if you can get the book the languages native north america from cambridge press by marion <unk> it's a large heavy tone you probably didn't want to buy it unless you feel good sixty dollars is is a good thing to spend on your commenting habit [laughter] but the first third or so of the book just talks about grammatical features that occur across this continent and then the last two thirds is some raise it varies languages that first [noise] third or so is [noise] uh <unk> wealth of information about different ways languages can do things i cannot recommended too highly for people who want to break out of the in the european mold yeah [noise] uh i i may have to find that myself [laughter] everyone should it's just it's just <unk> really i can recommend it too i think it's a great book [noise] yeah [noise] just [noise] go out there and [noise] fine languages [noise] look into what you're interested in [noise] um [noise] so [noise] we have one more other feedback which i loved yeah but ah william o'reilly responded to but i thought we should take this on the end of the show because it's <unk> you <unk> this is from <unk> was a comment [noise] phone or uh profanity episode which if you have it listen to that [noise] was your in your headphones and go listen to it right now [laughter] because it was awesome but anyway he says ah this this is safer we're <unk> but anyway he says russia has repaint vote in the european roots for [noise] a fart [noise] ah [noise] um <unk> so you know russia pronunciation i assume that just yet impaired yet for is it yeah uh which correspond too [noise] 'cause the silent part and then her so loud for um for <unk> and the former as often used in the sense to be scared so if you look at it so much that you're the is here to give it a little [noise] but it makes sense [noise] that makes sense because you lose control of your fouls when you're really really scared okay spoken like somebody who writes military fantasy novel [noise] well [noise] sorry [laughter] [noise] well say so yes that was a nice that's a nice little bit of semantics bread i liked that a lot uh-huh yeah that's something that's something important for common language to think about [noise] has as much as it's a funny thing it's like [noise] you know [noise] if you are going to die or chronic method at least [noise] you need to know [noise] the words can have these very fought changes either i think my favorite one that if i had an apple at wanting scared like <unk> fast <unk> people [noise] [laughter] good i like that that could happen yeah it could happen on my eighty iraq [laughter] so anyway i think that <unk> what we have the say here uh william any hurting was was the nope ah bianca no way <unk> [noise] why do i ah all the time anyway okay now now <unk> <unk> <unk> that you in cleveland when u. s. so bad calling on very badly nuts like clean nonetheless it's tags on the end of the shows anyway [noise] so anyway i will say happy caught like thank you for listening to con library you can find all our episodes and show notes as well subscribed to r. i. too or are assess speeds through con larry dot <unk> dot org you can also like our face book paid or follow <unk> con library on porter if you would like to contact us with a corrections comets questions or suggestions or even suggest your own caught lying is a future please a male <unk> uh gee male dot com or call in to our new voicemail lard three zero four eight seven three six to eight one [noise] we also have a handy suggestions more on our side martin was created by then during the day is mm mm mm mm mm mm [noise] yeah [noise] i haven't and cried and cried drawl whoa whoa whoa [laughter] it's the world is going on what the what is that noise [noise] knowing [noise] there's a horrible static he sound [noise] [noise] i don't know what's going on [noise] i don't mind [noise] every time you talk it get louder [noise] plug it in <unk> plug your head said hi [noise] [noise] ah but better okay hi it made me <unk> yeah okay anyway

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