Conlangery #19: Role-Marking

Conlangery #19: Role-Marking

Published: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:00:56 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 oh pro about it uh <unk> um <unk> <unk> <unk> oh gosh about constructed languages and the people to create a b. in london and in england [laughter] anyway my lovely cohost someone who is in england somewhere i thought they were like okay uh uh before we go too much further i introduced in wisconsin or tell a trip and furry informed cohost william penn that's hello <unk> earlier this week i was at a pub fish and i was so mad because the question or something like on american football team what city are the vikings from and now it's like well i know it's the minnesota vikings but minnesota's not a city so i made up since city from minnesota just cause i thought it was and i got the point wrong because i yell at him afterwards [laughter] your raw [laughter] yeah but the question was wrong so anyway for a city not a state okay anyway for the last time what what city are you in um well it's about an hour north of london it's a really small [noise] okay i'm just gonna say london for no he's had a lot and i'm going to yell at you [laughter] well no they were the city [laughter] she would not have complained about the food if she were in london [laughter] i i was in london for six months and fortunately i was too porch afford any sort of nice food and the food i could afford us quite craft although amusing late they have cookies that are named to marry land which i say may land because obviously no one had to stand thing when i say marilyn [noise] mhm so like there's like the pause and like oh are you from maryland they're like oh merry land and i'm like no [laughter] we do not come from a cookie um when i'm in another country and people ask me where i'm from i usually start with the united states 'cause everybody knows that straight tell them american yeah but everybody knows that and if if if i say west virginia and this works in certain parts of the world it doesn't work in other parts of the world or say west virginia and they don't know where that is i start singing country roads [laughter] okay [laughter] it works well in in uh japan i wanna see that on the street and lump on tour you want to see me <unk> <unk> yeah roads maybe at least i've never heard of yes i don't know what that is [laughter] capitals mongolia [laughter] no i <unk> i <unk> i might be roads you haven't heard okay country roads take me <unk> oh i have heard of it yes has drawn denver it's a song about west virginia that named landmarks they're actually in virginia [laughter] <unk> [laughter] [laughter] have you had pepperoni rolls i like an amish market which is bizarre in west virginia that's odd usually even like just across the border people have never heard of <unk> well i'm assuming it's like <unk> thing was pepperoni in it and cheese yes yeah that's pretty much it [laughter] yeah [laughter] but not when i was in west virginia holiday just go like through the shenandoah valley and see like a cabin okay but i was like twelve [noise] it was actually really fun anyway <unk> i need to figure out where where he went then [laughter] okay like liberate caverns but we're not here to talk about bush junior geography that we're now we're to talk about linguistics yes well you're more you're still with us yeah okay uh we're going to talk about this is a little bit of a complicated topic i think but we're going to do as much as we can [noise] we're going to talk about role marking now by rule i mean the <unk> right and so the like the basic semantic roles are the subject i think you can call it an experience or to the agent and the patient ah the subject or if your parents or is like the subject of an intensive sentence they and the agent is the the subject of a <unk> person who is doing something to somebody else and then the patient is the person who gets uh who receive the action of somebody else is that uh a rough uh good explanation maybe things i've always been irritated by the word patient mhm um just because if i say i see a cat the cat is a new way impacted by my days [noise] comedy if it's show didn't guys cat right okay so is <unk> ignoring lie theoretical physicists um or you know i see a wall or i hear a bird chirping it's it's more describes you know the focus of some herbal action and we don't need to get into that most people understand that are so used especially english speakers [noise] are used to what a direct object is stated that way that that will will survive yeah yeah that's [noise] makes sense though as we get into our future <unk> we'll have to to to mention uh something that he specifically does with that kind of sad but anyway yeah and those are the the three main ones uh we should probably mentioned there's also the theme and the goal which i'm not sure if those are always the <unk> <unk> <unk> they get switched around a lot and like what you call them depends on who you talk to a lot as well yeah but basically <unk> talk about when you have a <unk> those are only affected when you have a diet trance diverse [noise] oh no see i'm so used to dealing with languages where die transit actually means you get to the same thing marked [noise] um i i don't i don't think of them much in terms of this topic oh this core what do you what must you have before you're verb well makes sense okay and <unk> <unk> the reason you want to discuss the roles separately from the cases or for other things is because different languages split up the function of those roles differently yeah they're like now we're speaking of language where the subject roll and the agent role are always subjects what what we call subjects and then the direct object is always the patient where's an absolute of language the agents transit verb it's marked one way and the patient <unk> and the subject i mean in transit <unk> get marked but differently but at the same way yeah and <unk> those are the two core um basic align mutts yeah and then you can have mixes in between right so and we can talk about you know on a different show the whole fundamental difference there between a line that you can have a small number of languages where the subjectivity <unk> marked differently um <unk> does that in a few languages in australia and then it's starting to look like an awful lot of languages that were once thought to be other nominated accused new <unk> or actually active state of languages [noise] mhm which is confusing where um in in transit verb <unk> tyke can take either <unk> or a subjective subject marking depending on how much involvement and how much agents see the person doing the thing is is involved so i sleep would typically take an absolute <unk> that is the subject would be in the in the patient roll whereas i walk would take and take agents subject working yeah [laughter] and i think you are right to say like we we can you just went over that very well and i think we can kind of let that stand but what i really want to talk about is different strategies you can do use to mark the age right so yeah long discussion about all the implications of nominate <unk> [laughter] well that find that can wait for another show yeah um so [noise] er the l. c. s. recently started this um um um i'm gonna call it a journal but it's only one article <unk> called <unk> and the <unk> article for september was tastes marketing end event structure one <unk> investigations and in the the first couple parts he actually goes over the different strategies um he goes over um accused of an argument and then he goes over the different strategies for marking um poorer for marking roles and he focuses mainly on case which is one way to do it is you use your court cases to mark things but uh in addition to that you know he mentioned that you can use syntax you can use marking on the for those syntax almost always follows nominated of accused of no matter whatever other stuff is in the language i think [noise] i have no idea [laughter] i will take your word for it oh okay that makes me um less caught for that when you [laughter] i just didn't know what i i have no other way 'cause i i can't remember the last time i read anything about that i think there there are languages that have affirmative syntax they're very rare which is odd but um and again there's more to this when you get into the interaction between <unk> ah accused of syntax argued if syntax but let's not too far down that rabbit hole but so this first syntax basically you can use english is an example or mountain english [laughter] the only thing that distinguishes the different roles and syntax the uh the the things that are non productive the the subject of agents come before the verb and other stuff comes after the verb although subject is marked on the verb so it has a verb <unk> as well but it's mostly the word order [noise] yeah <unk> and this is what this is the the whole you know if you are so v. b._s._o. all that fun yeah and you can have i think this is true i can't think that any of the possible word orders excluding we'll just leave out the super red ones for now i think the big three common word orders b._s._o. s._t._o. i'm s._o._b. all have languages representing them where we're <unk> alone or mostly alone determines the roll yeah well if you want word order only by itself chinese those eh so that's a video [noise] yeah that's not even talking about the chinese 'cause it's a topic heavy language and all sorts of madness happens because of that okay yes yes um i was going to talk about chinese isn't ideal but yes um when you get into more complex sentences <unk> yes if you actually want to say something real in chinese and that whole <unk> thing falls apart which is also true frankly of english uh-huh in in exhausted literary styles all sorts of weird it's gonna happen in life and it's also important to know that even i cannot restrict what a lot at that doesn't mean <unk> most stuff around and <unk> how you could shift their stuff around but still make it grammatical language well yeah i mean well no i'm not saying i'm suggesting that funny line to <unk> he thinks to add yeah you can <unk> you can definitely shift word order around even when like we're we're talking probably mostly base word order there's a lot of things that happened what topic realization and other other shifts for emphasis and such that yes are and um you know question um mutations aren't questions and all that crap that that we don't really want to talk too much about [laughter] the syntax no i don't want to go down that path either each penny <unk> and how it relates to exact meaning ah would be too long [laughter] so but let's not talk about what we don't want to talk about let's talk about what we do want to talk about so we've covered the syntax strategy the other thing is the market on the river and what most of us are useful you are used to in in the european language is is the the subject has some agreement marking on number but as we have noted with even a language we've reviewed in the past it's not that weird to also to have both the subject and the object marked on the verb [noise] right [noise] so the simplest example for most people if they wanted to go look something like this up is swahili all of the ban two languages do this but it's while he leaves they'd probably the easiest to approach [noise] um yeah in a transit verb both subject and direct object our cross referenced on the verb and um the you know external subjected object are also uh overtly marked for their class so you have nice agreements you can it's always clear who's doing what whom because the subject role in object roller marked on the verb and you just have to measure class to the words outside and so long as the participants are not of the same class in theory you always know what's going on [laughter] oh is there a way to december you're at that as i'm sure there is but i don't speak swahili so i mean i've not studied in in in enough depth i would expect that there is a difficult word order or some other yeah how did you ever sadly these classes ten to make it fairly obvious which one is <unk> wage and laugh it's like an extraordinary case right <unk> uh what was it ninety yesterday i did visit swahili was i didn't think of swahili as bad too i thought it was a creole [noise] up to an arabic no well no this has got plenty of arabic vocabulary <unk> certainly simpler than the other ban two languages but it is still [noise] altogether band to down to its toes yeah well that's just a a side thing but sure [noise] um and and like we just like not by who do this as well [noise] and then you have the the direct inverse marking where you can some in some languages you can mark uh with one with only one uh morphine that marks both the subject and the object as far as person but [noise] that can be a little odd too right that's yes that's intimacy hierarchies which was not really talked about yet yeah you can put that at some that just that it is on the list you know there's a lot of tangential stuff that gets involved with this right that we need to treat and other episodes but uh and then the third way to do this uh is with case marketing and so english uses case marking in um only on pronounce your other probably a very clear case [noise] well i don't think we want to talk about japanese necessarily either because it also had <unk> but uh yeah but it's it's often use an example at least uh the nominate of accused of case marketing and you can mark case you and there's ways you can more case you don't have to necessarily have suffered exes or or ethics is but you can also have had positions <unk> but yeah there's there are multiple ways to mark <unk> so let's just go with that so <unk> <unk> mark rules with case [noise] so you can do it's very popular with people who are in the in the europeans fear right you have <unk> conscience for additives you make them agree alone for a standard [noise] um in plenty of languages you do not mark the case of mountains you mark the case of <unk> so your entire down phrase whatever it is is given and then you attack the case marker on to the end of that whatever it is it happens to be at the end of their [noise] i don't see too many con legs who do that mhm [noise] right so mm which online were viewing today does that actually yeah right but did they say exceptional one yes it is yes it certainly is um but but that's a possibility too that that some people might want to explore is you don't have to go through this whole agreement nonsense you just slam up your non phrase and then <unk> um the japanese does this with these particles when i was learning they were called relational i don't know if they're still called that see that's the um the thing actually with the japanese they're called particles they work hard particles wen hi with the materials but i tried to learn stuff with but the more i look at it the more they look like just playing suffix [laughter] well we can talk to a <unk> about that some time um [noise] what are you doing <unk> <unk> [laughter] um [noise] so [noise] right so that's a possibility that that that might be new york to visit some language inventors mhm and uh that gets in a whole other thing about the the boundary between clinics and ah at positions and all that but anyway well that's a good point right do you want to present this as a separate word to do you want it all we used to be criticize on the previous word which may or may not actually be an island [noise] um there there are questions there that that people want to look into <unk> um i'm most accustom to phrase level case marking being a clinic process um yeah the well the phrase level yeah you have to either either use a clinic or uh an ad in addition i'd i'd be sure but and if you're using it fixes it would be probably a mark on probably mark on them now but um [noise] okay we're getting a little confused here you know i i i'm just the possibilities are pretty long and then we again ah everything we're talking today everything we're talking about today cross cuts so many other things it's a little hard to to stay on topic right you're going to have <unk> positions are positions <unk> you can have <unk> you know some <unk> thing you can have [noise] <unk> which are you know usually a little less likely to change shape there just to guam down to the end of whatever the thing is i mean that's what the english possessive is yes that's right and center for example of it right at least i didn't <unk> [laughter] yeah at least that much ah english english speaking linguists they always use that as an example of a clinic and they wouldn't we have yeah [laughter] <unk> <unk> it is very pervasive most people don't think about it [laughter] right so for people who have no idea what we're talking about in english the possessive apostrophe s. does not actually attached announce it attaches to untie phrases so you can say things like the man i saw yesterday's dog yes [noise] so that whole phrase <unk> than bush has been turned into possessive and that may not be the clearance example but it's it's pretty pretty pervasive once you're uh another one another one that i've heard is the queen of england's jewels or clean up england's <unk> whatever you want to right it's not like a euphemism [laughter] <unk> where even though where you're talking about something belonging to the queen but it's marked on the whole noun phrase right and um [noise] right but you can <unk> pretty much anything with a clinic and what we're talking about right now is case marking on a click with <unk> with a click on a noun phrase [laughter] which is something that uh certain languages do <unk> i'd i'd be going into our future <unk> do you find the example if i were going to get an example but um so you have those different options for marking it now when you're going to go into this you also have to decide on depending on where you're going you may have to work on your animal seat and and i'm a c. hierarchy um another issue you you may need to deal with is um well obviously you have to choose whether you're going to do or do or not um or accused of or some other thing i mean well <unk> <unk> <unk> where i <unk> heard of an excuse to do but um or go with some of the less the less common alignment [noise] which i think we should just transition into our future con lying because it has i wanted to mention one less thing okay one last night [noise] um i've run across one or two places where a language that uses clinics for chase marking [noise] may have especially phrase the level case marking may have a separate weight to distinguish a um predicates adjective burned down from a non profit petty shepherd down [noise] so the difference between the big dog and the dog is big oh that's <unk> that's that's something that we failed to mention yet because credit getting down's work very differently right they kind of like so in english [laughter] you can mark um you can use the whichever upped the novelty of or accused of pronouns you wish your english teacher will tell you to use the number to pronouns but in practice people will use the the um the accused of so there is that shows that there's some sort of confusion in there but it seems to me that they work differently from uh regular verbs are popular <unk> works differently than you guys ever rapidly ribs absolutely they're completely weird and it's just one language i was looking at <unk> i think it's dead now yeah [noise] um spoken in [noise] uh southern california once um because adjectives that go with <unk> can go on either side in differently linguist who invested in investigate into language could never figure out if there was any sort of pragmatic implication there if you had big dog or dog big [noise] um i suspect as a result of that flexibility predicates adjective takes special marking <unk> okay and some languages do funky things in front of kidnapped does that language has zero <unk> [noise] i would have to go <unk> george <unk> okay i'm sorry [laughter] um i would have to go look at the grammar we can included uh a link to it it's interesting the grammar is available on line dissertation it's pretty good oh okay well we we should we should linked to that that an interesting case but yeah marking predator kid descriptive prior to <unk> <unk> now separately something that interests me because those seem to work a little different like just for no reason ah shall we move onto our future online sure okay so this it relates to our topic this is a theme show kind of because uh it was the so the author of the paper i'm talking about i was talking about is matt pearson he's a professor of linguistics uh and um whereas the professor yeah i'll have to find that but um and he created the language <unk> which was formerly noticed took on now but he chased name why i don't know but anyway language inventors do yes i've changed the name of my my first language is a couple of times so i <unk> well anyway [laughter] been around long enough to be an issue [laughter] [laughter] you probably will in the future change names somewhere but um so he used this and he specifically look into case marketing and different ways and he um that was part of what pushed him into creating <unk> which is a fictional language that i think exists in a con world because i the the uh like the the place names that he um he mentions and the grammar are unfamiliar to me right he was kind enough to send us a a a an update grammar i don't know when this will be on line but he said that uh that he that somebody's working on putting it on line i but it's it's i don't get that it does not need to be a web page is perfectly fine as a huge p._d._f. i don't know let's say for me well dining <unk> absolutely and it's <unk> yeah i don't really know chat box <unk> yeah he said that it was someone was gonna <unk> converted to h._t._m._l. i always say oh this would er look very good at and h._t._m._l. unless you did a whole lot of <unk> <unk> it has this there he is it's very very verbal <unk> which is not a bad thing i what i'm saying it's just that he has very detailed descriptions it's much more it's it's uh like three hundred twenty pages um three hundred and twenty two pages altogether and there's the <unk> it's too long to put an a female they should just put a lake um to the p._d._f. i i agree but anyway to get into the actual language so first of all let's talk about his align rep system he has really bizarre well all have is alignment has an odd sort of logic to it so at the start it looks like a regular uh <unk> language but there are certain cases like we're we're um well william you were saying that sense i saw the cat the way he would do that is actually mark the subject i in the date of case and his idea was his data is usually you're native is for the recipient of an action or the recipient of something when uh of um of when you have it's when you have a direct an indirect object the uh the direct object will get data is that right interact indirect object will get paid if those are the direct object is somehow pass to the rec object but and i ate out his mind is han <unk> his language this is dave is whenever somebody sort of uh receive something and the idea is when you see something you're receiving information about it so he puts it in data <unk> everybody's very silent no it's it's it's confusing what he's done it and i recall so we've got we're looking at his gigantic beautifully laid out the tech grammar and then there's a separate issue which is this paper for <unk> and i i recall from that paper where he said he wanted to come up with something is funky as possible and still we <unk> and possible uh-huh he has succeeded in producing something fairly funky yes well i don't think the state of <unk> strange it makes sense to me you know make high it has a logic to it i i can't recall them offhand but there are natural language is where the data gets called to do surprising things like that so [noise] individual bits of what he's doing are seen a natural language is well i kind of <unk> myself but instead of having a <unk> i had a <unk> instead of looking at something <unk> makes you <unk> same age mhm but it's the same kind of idea yeah mhm [noise] and like he has he is extended further how these things go talking about um uses lucrative for for some verbs <unk> i just decided to stay away i said ah <unk> and so i don't think we should say before we move onto the more exotic cases uh-huh is a lot of what is going on here has to do with the semantics of um [noise] the lexical i <unk> i should say the lexical aspect of a verb uh-huh so <unk> verbs versus eighteenth verbs also plays into all of us in subtle ways mhm so you know you need to go read rick more knows um lexical semantics semantics giant articles somehow to to to figure out some of what's going on here 'cause there's a lot of settled stuff about how verbs work [noise] um that needs to be understanding understood before you can correctly choose the cases [laughter] you know <unk> it's it's it's a very complicated system so this is an eighteen like uh yeah yeah eighty league low agency [noise] with the half twist of line you know you have to figure out exactly where that verb is [laughter] i tell you just memorize it [noise] well right i mean when we were talking about the um the active state of languages where hi agency actions are sort of <unk> um lower agency actions are kind of in transit in some languages you just have to memorize it's just a rule this verb is always mark this way other languages you can <unk> with the semantics you can make implications about how the accident happened or whether it was successful or not by switching back and forth mhm honestly we got the oakland or grammar so recently and it's so freaking huge i don't know which way he goes um i'd probably go with a little bit of fell yeah i can't i just it's too big <unk> thing like they're all <unk> they're like two if he asks it's gonna be this one yeah mhm yeah it's um and this is kind of uh uh this kind of draw draws into the whole idea of mm okay yeah it does it does happen that way sorry um i was i was doing other things while i was talking [noise] which is not a good idea but anyway yeah there's it's on <unk> i like to think of <unk> kind of how you let it take if that's the face and any place at all [noise] you know <unk> they're fanatical fast because it depends on how you see the <unk> okay and the situation and that's how you <unk> depending on which strategy you take yeah that's the only thing that if i have to face yeah like i don't think most of us <unk> seen action as something way yet <unk> and it's coming to you <unk> yeah um yeah and that's what he he was saying was that he wanted this language to take certain things like um specifically verbs of perception he wanted to make it so that the person who's doing the the perceiving is receiving something so he designed that part of the language after that specific um but there's other things like um he has an example <unk> repairing the fence and then the feds is dated whereas we would probably pathetic accused do or um other languages might make that absolute if he makes it data because the fences receiving <unk> repairing right so here's here's a great example of what he's doing and <unk> and when it's so interesting [noise] um so for you guys it's on page thirty so i'm just gonna read this paragraph cause it's cool [noise] compared to following sentences in for forty five and four forty six the event of writing and once the letter is finished and ski hoon letter is the limit her and takes the date of case [noise] example for forty six also includes a non case marked noun phrase <unk> an hour which measures the amount of time from the beginning to the end of the of the events to the end point and four four seven the temperature measure phrase itself to limits the event that is the event is over one hour is over once an hour has elapsed not once the letter is finished since the measure phrase identifies the end point it appears in the date of case <unk> which is the letter um no longer can students to deliver is treated as a theme argument and takes the nominees case so for forty five <unk> wrote a letter <unk> non native better data of right effective then the next example was suck you own wrote a letter for an hour <unk> er give letter data of one hour right protective and it only gets wacky for the next example <unk> worked on the letter for an hour suck y'all are good of letter nominate two one hour native right perspective yes we can cut and paste that into the <unk> the show notes when [laughter] when we posted but so that's an example of of of [noise] the the internal it's it's almost as factual it's uh-huh aspect interacting with the case choices which is something that happens <unk> he was saying oh geez oh i'll have to clean up that format but anyway um yeah this really um yeah <unk> there is a lot of there's there's just a lot of different consideration is to do whatever you're constructing sentences and this language about <unk> and never see felicity agency and you just have to be thinking about so many different things pragmatically successfully construct a grammatical sense it's really uh takes a while do um what other features that you guys um i i know you guys didn't have a whole lot of time to look at the grammar [noise] so um you might not have looked to far beyond that [noise] what other things did you find interesting about it uh trying to think i was reading through it he has one of the different classes of were [laughter] right and then they're not on hello pardon oh hold on my mind [noise] um so you're going to talk earlier georgia about the luck of the of that's words used with verbs which express emotion or physical sensation mhm so i'm i was happy he's marked by i in a lock addictive happy in the past in perspective [noise] so that's interesting ah honestly i was most impressed by the gigantic miss a missile so well documented so many examples mhm i mean i i'm a big fan of derivation of morphology i really get excited about <unk> and now i feel like a slacker because he doesn't just give one or two <unk> examples he gives half a page of examples for a lot of these things or quarter page at least yes he's great on the example <unk> uh he's from you you'll see and he explained <unk> example too he <unk> he he as you can see from the thing that uh you can tell this guy's a professional linguist that's all i can say about it yeah [laughter] right yeah i wouldn't like <unk> like give beginning <unk> i'd <unk> uh-huh um i thought well you can still get <unk> get something out of it by looking at how structured [noise] ah i'm not saying that i'm just saying i went when i saw someone <unk> [noise] and so i feel like <unk> <unk> it's going to be really banned it is pretty tense uh-huh oh i might i might wish for more than just the north wind in the sun for it connected example 'cause i'm always excited about longer running discourse matters yeah the north when the sun and the sun it's it's sort of a standard example everybody uses but it's a kind of a short example um just a short example and that's okay but other short examples might be nice yeah um i mean they've got to be bigger example somewhere 'cause this this is a vast work and we're not even seen the dictionary i hope other sorts of texture being produced than just examples uh-huh well i don't think i think it <unk> it out there in a fair amount of [laughter] well i could be making stuff up i have a feeling that he wrote a big long like almost novel about this guy suck yeah because he's several operate any example [laughter] oh oh see i've just seen example that makes me hit the language y every language that has a word for squirrel i want nothing to do with why why'd ones are evil [laughter] well i passed [noise] they're evil y y <unk> wash this year and they ate every single one [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] see i liked squirrels we oh i'm a little i had to deal with <unk> like <unk> um a one year we got uh squirrels to actually pay peanuts out of our hands on the front porch see yeah you got to catch a <unk> [laughter] you are the party of the enemy [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] but ah yeah and he has a lot of [noise] oh this is interesting so his <unk> turns yep he distinguishes older and younger which is <unk> i i like he distinguishes mothers older sister from others younger sister watches interesting maybe there's <unk> there is there to entirely separate um ways of counting <unk> and the language one is paternal one who's maternal oh okay um and you cannot marry within certain relationships in either there's do you belong to a multiple clans at the same time you don't go has some good <unk> culture stuff along yeah yeah absolutely ah yeah i i'm seeing now yeah return on maternal on everywhere and um eleven basic colored her <unk> pretty low it's not that weird it's a little bit large but not <unk> not that not famous for that and it's but it's um a little bit larger [laughter] yeah well english does has a lot anyway well yeah we don't we have a large basic inventory but yeah [noise] um he does a a little and the section on on his his verbs of motion which are well thought out so trajectory verbs versus manner of motion verbs are art art work work interesting okay and that fits into that kind of goes <unk> <unk> <unk> ah go towards the shore and life is that right time now as examples boy why well not only when you read their grandma <unk> why do you feel like <unk> <unk> [noise] well if i haven't had any like red sox fan [laughter] well i feel like people like you <unk> what what what are you looking for like i say i just saw the sentence <unk> jumping around in the whole seems like an office [laughter] to me [laughter] how are you looking for like uh colorless green dreams or whatever it's like every once in a while i get lonely i thought like i don't know how many years <unk> and <unk> <unk> oh sure [laughter] no i'm i've been responsible for such missed defying examples from time to time and you can't think of as someone who in my as yet and publish grammer ah composed these sentence i hope the frog does not um [noise] uh [laughter] hi i say i i i i also [noise] but yeah you yeah you could get some weird stuff and he doesn't have much <unk> [laughter] well i have a bunch of examples involving cooking a duck so i [laughter] should complain constantly <unk> right it doesn't really help <unk> [laughter] <unk> not in law yeah well i don't think it's going to rain that's useful sentence [noise] yeah well it's pretty you know it's fine for you want to use too many screwball like now i'm not <unk> it's what people do i pay attention to the grammar which is which is what you should be looking at um oh what a thing i saw and i didn't fully read the section so i wasn't really sure how it works but his [laughter] his pronouns have two different have uh a a full form and then uh i'm wanting to say and aspects or a clinic for um i'm trying to figure out where that ah i should've read before i <unk> that's true but [laughter] um <unk> no <unk> this phonology is fun i liked it he has <unk> h. i always like that oh yeah how sort of a hard time hearing code age what like <unk> said penn penn <unk> i don't <unk> i'm not convinced they actually <unk> he he is saying it [laughter] i'm studying yet [noise] but it's really interesting and it really throws english speakers for for a loop because no one ever to learn that some languages let h. b. in a code and like oh i have a salary tied <unk> like i've heard news announcers [noise] i i think in some cases they're pronouncing code h. as uh instead of an <unk> sometimes and but i like <unk> h. as well and i like um he mentions so he has ten minutes but stops cannot gemini eight and what happens if two stops come in contact with each other is the first one turns into an age oh that's interesting sure yeah which leads to a lot of <unk> eight [laughter] because you know the from his friend uh tactics that that kind of thing happens fairly often but that kinda stuff and i'm like <unk> what sign on h. the word final hates [laughter] some <unk> <unk> what's <unk> what's hard about work finally <unk> some some dialects of spanish had phonetic word find a way [noise] and they can select final age yeah arabic has word far away [noise] in any case this many lives just enjoyed that [laughter] well i actually like just <unk> that being like <unk> yeah and he had raped fisher thing <unk> yeah let's [noise] only get back into chronology here it is very funny that's it's a <unk> a little heavy language right lots of teas and s. as in and the lateral africa thingy claw quiet now he has he has hey uh both fly and he has about something yeah yeah that's that's not fun <unk> [noise] well it's it's <unk> i mean look at the constant inventory of navajos sometime it's like they they didn't want their tongues ever leave from move from behind their teeth [noise] um [noise] but it had it but it it has as it has the ladder <unk> and <unk> [laughter] that f. just strikes me is really weird for some reason really <unk> i don't know it's just yeah the um [noise] what our world com i can't remember [laughter] yeah maybe a dental nope just f. and then the baby o._p._n. em ah libya dental nah yeah he didn't have those <unk> <unk> that's that's the saddest point um anyway i just i'm just observing that it's something i thought was funky for <unk> for your <unk> s. f. and <unk> and <unk> and [noise] yeah if you if you kinda has affirmative okay ah yeah well i suppose it depends on the language whether you're gonna count that as a <unk> yeah um i don't know um what what do you have added subjected there what do you have remove the f i'm not sure i would probably have to move to f. f. is pretty calm i neither have for the <unk> yeah i just i i just might have a personal hostility death [laughter] um he doesn't have a whole lot of confidence and um which i appreciate i love i like i like small constantly victorious the people the interesting thing was with <unk> i mean i <unk> i'm not a slash <unk> last lotta bankruptcy i'd actually rather has the fact that ah [noise] yeah yeah mine are <unk> an issue i don't know like <unk> the way you use is why i'm not <unk> i it's supposed to be a <unk> or um it it is <unk> yeah i don't <unk> it looks like when i see wise of foul language i wanna sit you call it <unk> well you know i mean i don't care i mean typically if i <unk> i'm going to use eat with an <unk> which which you can blame the albanian but why is not a bad choice [noise] certainly and play it makes sense yeah well i mean the welsh somehow survive with it so mhm although yeah one well she has multiple uses for why we just want to talk about but [noise] [laughter] yeah no it's [noise] i just wish he would not worry about this turning into h._t._m._l. and and let me tell you as somebody who uses attack it looks like he's done a certain degree of his own <unk> customers <unk> to make it pretty and that is not going to pass through a program that will automatically converted to h._t._m._l. well at all ah matching anything confiding nice while at all yeah why not just <unk> it's a lovely gorgeous p._b._s. all that i could ever ask flexing p._d._f. i would only ask for a title page with the times they have to say what version it is you know and i <unk> oh uh he could actually do that easily yes i am from uh yeah yeah i um i know i don't mind p._d._f. 'cause i get lost or forty pages i don't know how i did it like three hundred and twenty two [noise] my guess is <unk> it's that there's multiple source pages <unk> glove together at the end um [noise] anyway [noise] george we're going to make you are ambassador to have him just put this up okay i'll send him out email it does seem to be it does not need to be h._t._m._l. a dictionary it'd be nice to see though um yeah <unk> and uh he actually has a dictionary that he offered to send me but he hasn't gotten back to me about that but uh oh like how he's got instrumental prefix is i just noticed on page three hundred and six [laughter] uh <unk> nah attaches to number of stems to drive verbs expressions action performed the hands well to to you [noise] forms verbs their reactions before but the legs are feet nights i wonder how that their football so pound with that pre fixed becomes pound with one hand speed or throttle throttle is useful for about a half [laughter] um [laughter] uh <unk> dump which is drive from grinder pound mhm now this is interesting that's very idiomatic so um <unk> uh which means become hole or complete when it takes that the hand instrumental novel that means to repair semi colon succeed at accomplish or attain oh that's nice that's i love that at least like <unk> yeah isn't that nice that's that's i like that [noise] anyway george making publish it [laughter] yeah i'm going to ask him oh shoot an email to 'em and tell him uh our opinion is that you could just put a p._d._f. up on our hands h._t._m._l. would be wrong but it's lovely and gorgeous half a day and that and fifteen on h._t._m._l. erased okay and hopefully he'll if if if he agrees if he agreed to do that i will put linked to that in the show notes because we can't talk about everything in this grammar but we <unk> we have i have a <unk> even a heightened <unk> uh-huh um i have a feedback but i like i only had one feedback that i actually wanted to cover in annapolis yeah as a feedback i have another one that i would like to start an episode with so and we're we ran a little i think we've talked for over an hour already on this episode [laughter] so i think i'm going to save that from the next episode and then uh 'cause of next buying would we are going to talk about is not this not quite the <unk> it's a great language but it's not quite that doesn't take quite the uh breaking down that this language [laughter] [laughter] and then again if if he has it up in it whatever four in the future when we publish this i will make sure that i uh linked to that in the <unk> for this episode because it's cool you need to you need to actually look at the grammar and we're not saying you have to read the whole thing [laughter] and because it is very long [noise] but uh well i would i would uh recommended that but barring that just skimming through and looking at various different features and it would be valuable for inspiration i thought all <unk> grammar is for fun pleasure [laughter] [laughter] i don't know how that grand my studied doing this [laughter] neither did i really i but now you do the wonders of calming okay so uh any partying words of wisdom from bianca now uh from what not today no okay i'm going to ask kinda got like a <unk> [laughter] i think every time i read it that's what i thought okay well [laughter] <unk> thank you for listening to con lying or you can find all our episodes and show notes as well subscribe to r. i. too or are assess speeds through con larry dot <unk> dot org you can also like our face book page or follow <unk> con library on put her if you would like to contact us with corrections comets questions or suggestions or even suggest your own caught lying is a feature please a male <unk> angry at g. e. mail dot com or call in to our new voicemail lard three zero four eight seven three six to eight one we also have a handyman more and more on our side was created by then they uh mm mm mm mm [noise]

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