Conlangery #20: Ideophones

Conlangery #20: Ideophones

Published: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:00:56 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 you <unk> they <unk> well but god on an cities that much less mobile on my <unk> and then next uh mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm well go to called lawyer <unk> constructed languages people would appreciate gorgeous early ah yeah actually it tell some work near load is by <unk> <unk> hello <unk> and and you said it wasn't near like you said it was <unk> about the the little boy [laughter] okay now i like train that's one way isn't it oh okay well uh uh you just heard talking up it's [laughter] it's a great state of wife scott my <unk> [laughter] right well you're ugly [laughter] very wise cohost william at us to start wise <unk> st just <unk> [laughter] i need to start thinking up different adjectives for both of you you just hot now oh good you can say that <unk> [noise] [laughter] oh jeeze anyway so what are we hit or do we're here to talk about language and control and and uh uh <unk> linguistic features and all that crap right yeah i'm here in charlotte cheese [laughter] okay well you can talk about cheese and <unk> you while me it was about linguistics [laughter] ah so this episode is gonna be kind of fun i prefer because we are talking about video phone [noise] and um maybe your phones according to um uh mark <unk> feel are dutch names fun i have no idea how to pronounce that that's okay what is going to idiots to a guy he's dutch than it would be <unk> ah what <unk> um uh i don't know anything about that he's the if your phone or he he runs a book called the phone and he has a very concise definition idiot phones are mark words that depict sensory em a tree so he goes he goes more into the the uh the the detail like he says he they're marked in that they stand out from other words so an idiot phone sounds different from other words for some reason for and and do they tend to not to slot into [noise] the rest of the grammar of language very well yeah so the reason we're talking about eighty phones is because i put it on the list i have never been able to find a <unk> that includes them except one of my sketches [laughter] [noise] oh really oh i before we started the show but when we decided last week cable do idiot phones i did it google uncommon laying idiot phone and i thought my own language which was disappointing yeah that's really sad because they are so fun so he has one of his posted that i you know like two in the <unk> you need to go to this because it there's a little bit of a <unk> <unk> there's some comics that there are about these japanese in <unk> city of phones that you liked it [noise] and so the first one you have a picture of a lady who's going insane and their bugs crawling over her walls and her for and they had been a little freaked out about this is a depiction of uh <unk> which described or here's your your job i'm trying to pronounce japanese right now [laughter] but it describes many small things gather together and moving such as i swerve insects are crowd of people see this [noise] so this is the the idea of what an idiot phone is it something that that stands out from other words and it it's sort of a symbolic ah well orange or are symbolic really but it has it has it has some sort of century <unk> <unk> there's a new idiomatic component sometimes there's um <unk> ball but it just has it gives you a general sense are feeling rather than having a specific definition [noise] yet so from the from the type of logical standpoint you phones are interesting because um they're kind of unload linguistically or had been in the past they haven't got a lot of linguistic work on them because they are kind of weird um they don't often don't fit into the grammar normally so people are like can we even talk about these things linguistically [noise] um [noise] and it's kind of hard sometimes to get real feel for what they're doing because they are so [noise] um they can be they could describe quite a range of things but they're they're not uh content bearing in the same way as like book or sneeze is they're describing the we're just supposed to present sort of a holistic sensory thing which can be aroma appearance movements sounds all of these different things um can be an indicator with with any of phones [noise] um [noise] a language like english doesn't have too many of them <unk> i guess <unk> um [noise] some languages of africa may have many thousands you phones um which uh it it looks a little bit like it's kind of hard to elicit [laughter] and get definition [noise] [noise] yeah how'd you how'd you ask someone something for an <unk> what do you do like you'd see like how would you what would you say if you saw something big get round or whatever <unk> yes oh yeah it's kinda hard to figure out like i would say today [noise] right so why don't we just give it a few examples of these from some languages and people get an idea of the wide range of them we can come back to the <unk> the [noise] the funky grammatical questions okay these these these guys bring up so i'm just gonna ignore the english ones um so <unk> here's something from a language called or oh cool [noise] um and i'm not gonna try to pronounce these 'cause i don't always know the the phonology what's going on but here's one that's bowl which means which describes the son of a heavy branch falling but <unk> is a light branch falling [noise] or you might have a bunch of <unk> related to movement in water or so <unk> means moving in shallow water so boom boom it's moving in deep water um [noise] there was there that sound like on a <unk> sure so and that's another thing that comes up as people often confuse them with <unk> cause so far we've we've talked about things that are related to sound yeah however if you go into a language like uh <unk> um they've got one that's beautiful bob bob which describes something that has a suspicious appearance [laughter] yeah [laughter] <unk> describe something or describe someone is being aloof [noise] um [noise] let's see if i can pronounce this one <unk> <unk> <unk> ah describes somebody's smiling hypocritical <unk> which seems like [laughter] i used to work [noise] right so they cover a <unk> a wide range of a meeting some of them are related to sound [noise] some of them as i've just mentioned have nothing to do sound at all [noise] mhm [noise] um movements motion and posture are really common [noise] um [noise] uh have uh a lot of words for these so here's the language <unk> um has an entire set of your phones for describing people who are walking um unsteady yeah [noise] so they've got one for people who are disoriented one very useful for people who were drunk one for somebody who's walking on their toes [noise] <unk> yeah <unk> yeah yeah uh no they're they're walking an steadily nine <unk> [noise] yet [laughter] we're seems to be some sort of sounds symbolism but that's just my general sense of it you'd have to right you'd have to actually study it to actually be certain that that it is that way but the the guy we've talked about before this this dutch linguist um has uh uh uh not very recent block posts about daniel <unk> who you may have heard of he's um a high functioning autistic savant um who's famous for learning icelandic too conversational level in a week or two and freaking out the ice landers who like to think they have the hardest language ever [laughter] even on t._v. so he wrote a book um about sort of his life and and how he see things 'cause he you know if you present him the digits of pie with a mistake he he finds it um [noise] apparently is a strong physical <unk> negative reaction to even seeing that he thinks it's appalling that people would treat the number that way so he's trying to explain how his mind works [noise] and in his book he gave an example of an idiot phone mhm and present it is a question about sounds symbolism and and the quote from the book is does the adjectives <unk> in the sequel language of africa describe a round a fat person or an anger thin person [noise] sounds like wrong with that exactly everyone is going to do that but the great thing is is there's no such word and see how he got screwed up his example but it it it it makes the point of this sounds symbolism that this the touch linguists interested in which is [noise] people all humans well mostly make the same judgement on these sound symbolism things yes and that's the actually had like traffic line [noise] um i was like <unk> or whatever but i think they <unk> and they had it on <unk> yeah and i found it interesting actually one hundred percent fat fat fry <unk> actually found it like around one and i think what are you insane [laughter] [noise] that is highly type logically unlikely yeah i like that i've never had any like counteract you know asinine pants and stuff like takes i think that's the first time i saw someone <unk> they opposite lay around [laughter] [laughter] [noise] that's uh yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't say it that way either um so so some languages that have your phones do have single civil ones where it's not obvious what's going on [noise] necessarily <unk> with the symbolism and and and like any sort of language situation [noise] <unk> there's never so i'm looking at a <unk> a list of examples from talk the word butter shouldn't there's nothing about that to me that's particularly describes the sound of sucking porridge [laughter] what that means yeah or what's another one here uh can i make this noise but <unk> <unk> <unk> which describes something small but beautiful [noise] yeah that actually does not sound like small right so it's still <unk> we don't want to get too hung up on the sound symbols and that obviously plays a role mhm um but there's still the normal arbitrary relationship between sounds dignified still applies to to use as as it does in in other vocabulary [laughter] yeah i'm trying to think of so what would you um [noise] i guess we'll get into the the weird dramatic grammar aspect in a second but i want to say what would you suggest if somebody wanted to add any of the newer language what kind of find a logical ideas do you think would be best <unk> into that [noise] um [noise] well even though i've just <unk> obviously sound system symbolism plays a role <unk> imply different things than back bottles um pretty naturally siblings are pretty common anything having to do with wind or water um from a lot of the examples you've heard there is an element every duplication and it doesn't have to be pure just repeating the word over and over again that can happen as we heard and the japanese examples [noise] um [noise] something like bodie blurry which is supposed to describe things that are soft [noise] that is very common but you can also have these um sort of patterns overdo publication um like <unk> or <unk> sure hippie happening right where you have any happy <unk> right exactly exactly that where you have part of the word being <unk> being repeated whereas some other features changing um either at the beginning of the end or whatever if your language has tone [noise] you might do all sorts of fun things with that mhm oh yeah you could you could do some fun so um uh the [noise] for any of phones that <unk> <unk> the thing about eating phones is they are most common for obvious reasons because they're descriptive in narrative contexts mhm when you're describing things consequently eerie duplicated syllable maybe repeated many many times to <unk> you know [noise] to to to emphasize the point you're making mhm yeah it's funny you say that now <unk> hit pretty happy and anybody just come from <unk> exactly [laughter] and <unk> [laughter] um what is it <unk> maybe less hocus pocus all these things [noise] um so i think that's i mean if you do a google search on video phones and start looking at some of and hit the links on p._d._f. 'cause those will be journal articles and and scholarly things you can just get giant lists of these things [noise] and you can get a feel for the sounds um and and the different kinds of ah meanings that can attached to them and you say get a feel for and i think that's probably the really good a really good um thing to say is that you need to [noise] you can't really be thinking too hard when you're making these uh well i mean you can do some planning but yeah i i think that's right i mean working it out in <unk> yourself will probably um could could be quite productive yeah just just saying some nonsense words with uh with the with the the proper fonda tactics yeah probably going to do it hi and cambodia found sometimes break contact fixed too [noise] yeah sometimes they break the the normal rules oh language okay um yeah i know you're going to say something well i was gonna say if you're trying to create them <unk> they <unk> they were still a absolute eventually you're <unk> sometimes description if something's better <unk> <unk> <unk> yeah in fact it was me dreading doing another translation of the sudden north wins that inspired me to add idiot phones to one language oh i wanted i wanted to come up with words to describe the wind blowing and in the the poor apples guy walking down the street and all of that oh yeah that's great um yeah describing a guy walking down the street while the <unk> north when they're looking at a <unk> right right you can <unk> um for the guy in his behavior in his flapping code all yeah [noise] oh dear i'd forgotten about these uh what about the weird radical things is there anything interesting really to talk about there there is there is there is so it used to be thought that idiot phones were completely outside the normal syntax of language and in a few languages they are you just say these things that go into the narrative but they don't they're not conjugate it they're not <unk> not adjectives [noise] they're just thrown in in part of the narrative to sort of add color and description of what's going on [noise] it turns out that this is not true that they do not <unk> in some languages use the <unk> [noise] sometimes are derived from like uh adjectives or there's some sort of relationship going on there that we didn't know about [noise] um [noise] typically if you want to use them [noise] in the more complex way than just using them you know just using them as color [noise] they'll be combined with a few simple verbs you either do video phone or you say the phone or sometimes we even go the idiot phone which i find very interesting because of how people use go in english when talking about people saying things in english and quick narratives [noise] right and then he went what are you talking about you didn't go anywhere but it's but it's a it's a <unk> go is a funny way to market direct quote but yet here it is showing up in in languages other than english that's interesting [noise] so [noise] and sometimes that can be used to kind of is a state of or be things so they they kind of insect but <unk> how would they kind of <unk> kind of [laughter] [laughter] ah that's that's the thing i wanted to be i was curious about because it doesn't seem like something like this would inflict at all [noise] um yeah right but if if you wanted to say and then he you know made this noise um you could just use that video phone with the with some sort of are marking to located in time oh okay [noise] oh ah that's unusual though the impression i get is mostly they float along on their own or they're very simply locked in with do verbs are say verbs huh okay that's a very interesting to me that like you can just <unk> you could incorporate them in the grammar [noise] to me it seems like there there's somewhat of a gray area probably there [noise] sure you have many choices available to you olive which can be justified my some natural language somewhere yeah um but yeah so you guys you need to get out there and put some idiot phones in your language is if if there is a comedy out there that uses them heavily i would love to hear about it 'cause i could never find one yeah <unk> find this one listeners or if you have one that has a lot of video phone call's about it [noise] yeah um other people think about this it's an interesting thing to add that you don't need it maybe one or two would be a good idea but uh you don't need to have heavy into your phone but it's an interesting concept to try out i would love to see a con language hundreds of them [laughter] i definitely want an addict capital now mhm sure <unk> having a couple is quite common it's these languages that have hundreds or even thousands of them that are more than usual and would make for an interesting <unk> no one's done that before [laughter] so why don't we move onto our feature on line which has nothing to do the yoga [laughter] because there are <unk> oh yeah i have no idea <unk> uh let me get like the the stuff up i i found it on <unk> yeah i don't know if he has his own website anymore but [noise] um old arabic also known as out beer in uh it's created by <unk> uh <unk> <unk> i can't do <unk> <unk> your <unk> and uh so the whole concept behind this language is that uh old albums speakers are pre celtic inhabitants of the british isles and that say inspired l miss about else so they're l. but not actually ill right there <unk> um [noise] you <unk> uh-huh [noise] but [noise] one thing that strikes me in so much of this stuff is that for being pre celtic inhabitants this languages awfully andover european [laughter] in many ways like some parts are not yeah some parts of dogs are definitely not but it has masculine feminine neuter gender has ooh only marginally though <unk> <unk> okay i mean from from the standpoint of grammatical it's animate versus inanimate it simply has gender distinguish trouble for critters where it applies oh okay mm okay so maybe i i was little wrong about that uh it does have singular dueling plural and has the case system is not entirely uh in the european no way it works [noise] uh but um [noise] and it has it has well not <unk> well hey you know <unk> it's definitely <unk> both of these but definitely <unk> is common all over the well not common but it pops up all over the place okay i'm <unk> i'm like well about the move these fun uh tactics where you can have up to c. c. v. c. c. [noise] pretty but they're not entirely because you can that <unk> they're so uh um [noise] but it's i find it interesting mainly because of the <unk> these are these are the ills but they're actually entirely humor [noise] well that's um certainly <unk> other people anthropologists even and not just you <unk> um [noise] to [noise] alexandria and due to about two millennia go called <unk> also suggested that all of these stories of the gods and mystical creators [noise] um are have motivation in stories about either remarkable humans are different kinds of humans mhm so elves and [noise] and <unk> are just <unk> no european and happens possibly uh um i'm not sure i believe it but it's it's a well known idea so let's let's get into some different things about the language so we talked a little bit above phonology and um i'm trying to well hi on hot out and have enough examples down here to <unk> [noise] <unk> he got a lotta spelling fight <unk> typical way you see it on <unk> [noise] um [noise] haven't caught i guess the <unk> the technical <unk> forget it now [noise] i <unk> i like to say okay <unk> yeah you find it hard that comment and quite often it's <unk> yeah that's that's um [noise] well at least he mentions that with vowels <unk> outlaw out i didn't see yeah he <unk> he does that and that's interesting that slightly more advanced technology is that a lot of people will get into <unk> that's why i think you don't see it as much and like when i was going well my <unk> i got out honey rascal aren't they some of the <unk> in my language or [noise] i'm kinda went through the same thing but i never actually rent that explaining <unk> because i don't think that many kindling i go into phonology in that respect just because it's i don't know if <unk> pass happy to see um very very quickly yes uh see for k. no there's nothing wrong with c. for cake [laughter] see if it's friday [laughter] [laughter] okay anyway what let's not have this argument to get but just getting to do this every week yeah um but uh he had was found something about his um it was it the aspects system or something [noise] well it ah fluids ass language <unk> yeah which is nifty so yeah that is in in the last episode where we talked about [noise] what do you do about in transit verbs um some of them is like right so nominated accused of language active or um [noise] in transit verbs are just more like normal subjects them in er good of absolute of their <unk> like direct objects and in a in an active state of situation the kind of action that the <unk> marks will be marks differently so one where the agent is involved there's high degree of agency like walk or run then it's mark the same way as a transit of her [noise] and if it's something like sleep or fall over where there's a low degree of control than it's marked as um [noise] uh direct object <unk> [noise] yeah that's the case system in in general is very interesting that he has an <unk> an an objective spam and then the other cases are formed uh out of that but only only animate now it's habit <unk> correct them so [laughter] milder like there's some cases you can't actually use <unk> and <unk> and and that is quite normal in in a language like black foot i cannot say the knife cut the bread <unk> semantic <unk> thing cannot ever be the subject of <unk> wow okay that's baptist say someone cut the bread with a knife [noise] okay so that's that's uh a little well it's for something that looks vaguely european that's completely bizarre but yeah terms of like on this planet that's not unusual yeah about my saying that looking into european on the surface it looks into here [noise] but then when you did look into the grammar more closely that has these really weird affection yes uh-huh so like uh you have that the the <unk> see in the case this um [noise] uh let me see um <unk> uh <unk> or um agree with masculine feminine and and uh <unk> which is fairly inner european but hey there's like a separate one for inanimate and their separate drool and horrible agreement [noise] um not that <unk> it has exclusive and and inclusive we uh i don't know <unk> have you seen anything interesting [noise] [noise] [noise] ah it was going to start <unk> [noise] <unk> um <unk> <unk> yeah common i don't think yeah middle voices um not a big uh very common thing uh [laughter] william knows what little voice is <unk> right ancient greek sanskrit some of the old north languages um he had it pops up in other ways to get the yeah it was only has a fairly complicated verb complex and he also has active <unk> right um [noise] i would love to see more examples of conjugate verbs what am i <unk> fit in general and this may be a function of the information i found on it i maybe you should have uh contact your 'cause he <unk> he has a crime or something [laughter] but the <unk> the article has no no examples to speak with them yeah some examples just i would like more yeah which makes it very difficult to really get a handle handle on some [noise] so just like with our previous episode he does all sorts of fun trickery with cases to indicate um we're back to the question of agency volition so for example verbs a perception of motion normally take dated subject again we have another one of these huh [noise] the subject topic can be put in the agenda case to express an active deliberate observation rather than cursory perception ah three in the man sees the dog and the man watches the dog for example [noise] which i liked i liked i liked that idea that you you use case to make that distinction rather than like [noise] right um and it seems to be i think there is some sort of trend among con lakers to care about that suddenly a lot we have these things these little fads that come across the <unk> the world and everyone has to play with it for a while before moving on them and then it sort of well integrated [laughter] maybe they knew one of the eighty or <unk> maybe it will be fun that'd be awesome if we if we did that [laughter] when i first heard the mailing lists um trigger languages where all the rage mhm and then <unk> suddenly overtook everyone [noise] and right now it seems like people are really interested in um argument structure and cases to do all sorts of settle <unk> so for example we've got we've got a kooning which we talk last time old albums doing this um although i don't know how long it's been in this state maybe it's old news um uh what's the big when those rocky does some funky things um with with cases too so [noise] we have to feed her with her <unk> when when we can see more about it than what i mean we can't [noise] uh-huh um yeah it does but that's um [noise] it's interesting to see those things come up i i remember i i i started i <unk> when <unk> he was all the rage uh-huh i may just a straight normal or dave and then when i typed up by grammar i showed it on the board somebody's like oh er good comedy is so boring ones [laughter] so uh i edited it but <unk> uh completely bizarre trigger for the switch between dominant accused of an activity yeah well well what i ended up was uh taking it a little bit and <unk> like turning it into a fluid s. system [noise] so [laughter] uh online now yeah well it's it's it's fine with a with a little taste weird vicious but um yeah i'm going to have to put that now [noise] i would love to hear some sounds samples of old <unk> it seems like my eyes sure there are some out there yeah anyone who invented language which they associate with elvis i expect to be preoccupied with <unk> and and sometimes i like to hear those languages i you know <unk> <unk> <unk> like al from richard <unk> i'm just like you say <unk> fat my see [noise] right <unk> uh <unk> just found for like five in my <unk> mold and my [laughter] that's exactly right it's supposed to sound like the boss of the forest yeah wow for their giant tree [laughter] yeah um yeah that can get get a little crazy sometimes uh-huh yeah and everything oh like <unk> tea and [noise] yeah they're very well <unk> language is usually well except then you get clinton yeah which is very light and like despite it's finished grammar [laughter] so i think more people go with the sin during my she feel everywhere loosened for all my confidence um [laughter] rather than the the the <unk> [noise] no i couldn't be cool since the since these guys aren't actually else in the pointy ear potty and annoying sense i i survive yes [laughter] [laughter] ah i want more examples of what more examples more glasses more examples would make us all happen uh okay but his p._h._d. is actually it's uh actually i <unk> i was looking for that [noise] ah no i <unk> i <unk> yeah that was <unk> i think it's uh yeah i still i met him out in out flowers like there's no i play yeah [laughter] um my <unk> <unk> and then like elephant gift skips on it i'm like oh okay [noise] uh but anyway uh i think we can sum this up as uh starts out looking like a regular elvis language uh but it was your mind [laughter] [laughter] yeah and then well i don't know what i <unk> that it has more <unk> there's not enough information for my mind w. blown yet but it has interesting stuff when you take into it yeah i need to find a butter presentation up um and hopefully that's out there somewhere and i'd just failed behind it but um oh yeah just hasn't been edited in over a year yeah why don't we find um why don't we move onto our feedback [laughter] well we like <unk> because it's like you like have you made any <unk> stupid free if they're talking about me <unk> i was like just cruel thing now i'm like <unk> [laughter] you don't you guys [noise] at any rate they said <unk> oh yeah okay okay so we have that um [noise] uh i might i might quickly <unk> there was a a vibrant discussion on the uh um the <unk> um list william you were part of that right oh yes where <unk> one of the the guy who wanted to come up what bianca should meet in his language [laughter] got moved to the <unk> list yeah at least some people didn't know who you were there like what's going on i don't understand but use the funny discussion it's er it ends up being <unk> <unk> is the word and he eventually came up with uh apparently he is going to use it as a word for her budget [laughter] <unk> yes [laughter] ah but [laughter] we have one other feedback we got an email from a guy named <unk> uh guilt off i'm not i'm not here that's his real name but he's from australia uh like <unk> okay he says hey i've just started listening to your pod cast and since i've started to listen to your <unk> significantly simplified low paradox oxymoron the aspects of my <unk> of the language to just two aspects and all the others are implied <unk> ah however i'm not too sure about the perfect an imperfect aspect on the present tense along with pets is an aspect on imperative uh-huh could you help me out a bit there i don't want to mess with my <unk> grammar until i work out that out a little bit more okay so that's he he still talks more but let's interrupt here for that [noise] in languages that are aspect obsessed you can have perfected and in perspective imperative and does the same thing typically a him perfected imperative means that you're telling someone to do something that will take a long time or to keep doing something or is that it will go on for a while mhm [noise] and a productive um imperative is a simple act do it yeah okay i might be there might be funny pragmatic so where's the prospective implying you wanted done <unk> active saying oh you could do with the future right so there's there's different tricks that can be done there [noise] but it it basically it's the same thing [noise] okay i think the um as far as he said pets is and aspects i would say don't mess with hats on imperative because [laughter] like in the future [noise] uh no presents go ahead be on <unk> [noise] i don't know where you are <unk> ah on 'em and <unk> <unk> [noise] something languages distinguish the president imperative from doing now from a future imperative which is do it at some undefined point in the future okay you just do it now getting over it [laughter] well so we just from it um one to uh get workers procrastination [laughter] so basically what we're saying is uh you know what william said about perfect an imperfect and uh so many other things he was worried about was the present tense yeah that's really weird um i'm in uh <unk> on the show that i think bulgarian does have an <unk> effective presidents but the perfect president actually means the future [noise] and i guess there's like <unk> or some other language that does the same thing but most languages do not mark the president that way i think that's a true statement okay how <unk> the water's all day and night now here's what i would say then that is that it's if you do do that perfect in imperfect on president then make it so that has some odd pragmatic meaning ah that's not really connected to like what you said with reflective being future stuff like that that sounds sounds like a good way to do it [noise] um okay this email goes on so i'm going to go so i'm going to continue reading [noise] also i could i could appreciate it if you make a pod cast on grammatical voices i try to avoid voices mostly because i view them as pointless how do i do this well i use a person called the fourth person or zero person this translates roughly into one person people someone next cetera and extract the object of the sentence and makes makes it never mentioned common person [noise] this makes the sentence the deer was seen by the hunter literally the deer seen by someone uh no it isn't a natural or look at <unk> languages [noise] but anyway i was wondering if you're helping me out with the first part and [laughter] with the four zero person contract i'm not got about out here <unk> because i <unk> i often [laughter] i did i did a fourth person wants to know <unk> it's yeah you're not sure if what you're <unk> yeah it may just be an indefinite pronouns up some crime [noise] bianca go head right now we're going to say something else now so i'm not going to about down because calling it a fourth person is very confusing could typically when somebody had something called the fourth person it is not an indefinite the way you're you're using it here [noise] um typically a fourth person is [noise] uh when it's basically just another third person but it let you keep if you're talking about two different things to let you keep them straight so you're a third person is for whatever issue is most relevant and your fourth person is for the most relevant topic but still needs to be <unk> pronounce [noise] um but yeah everything else you're talking about using a ah a place holder pronoun indicate the passive voices it's common enough um maybe we should do a show about voices sooner rather than later 'cause the voices are not pointless [noise] yeah <unk> <unk> are are a big thing i've been debating whether or not i need an anti passion and i are you <unk> ah so the pastors in the past and all of that are all about how you organize discourse and keeping the thing is most important at the front of your mind [laughter] we can we can talk about that in a show but they're not pointless they serve it very useful point and things that you were told by your english teacher about how it sounds a week or flimsy b. s. yeah but you don't believe anything you heard about uh [noise] uh about um <unk> and <unk> english rational nights <unk> <unk> also don't listen to ah words grammar check her when it tells you to revise massive voice pass this life it's lovely 'cause sometimes i don't think it even correctly identifies <unk> well that's common write this happens to letters to the editor all the time where people piss and moan about see now even on swearing um people complain about the past it but have incorrectly identify some other structure has to pass it [laughter] anyway [laughter] ah i'm just gonna say this guy closes letter you said thank you for a time good to be with you which is apparently now apparently a goodbye i've never heard that um an apology but uh uh from australia you'll law and he says if you say a good day and reply or in a few future oh yes i will stab you in the face well guild off you can't stab me in the face so good they might [laughter] i actually all stab you in the face [laughter] you ain't got kind of lay a cactus [laughter] yeah he he he has an easier time getting to west virginia but i <unk> no [laughter] and relax now [laughter] [laughter] you could have just driven here i could er [noise] that's how i got back from lack <unk> geography [laughter] oh right [laughter] so yes i liked the idea of us talking about <unk> be a good topic hey let's do a <unk> and uh especially i really want to hear what william has to say because he knows about it [laughter] which is something i am very confused about [laughter] i feel like men of life is another one of the <unk> rich credit that probably yeah it's it's not <unk> tend to be [noise] more problematic one [noise] um [noise] [noise] yeah well ah well planned to do a voice episodes sometime in the future [noise] probably after we go after um actual haste marking because like i mentioned anti passive you know <unk> <unk> interact with case marking because and uh and i use the nominate accused of language is you can have a passive and an organ or absolute of language and have an aunt passive and they [noise] george i'm afraid report that turns out to b._s. to b._b._s. oh <unk> lots of non abusive languages do in fact i actually haven't <unk> really yeah not as many but the idea that it's rare numbers turns out to be focused that seems bizarre we cannot save that for another episode well we'll have to talk about how how you can have something that [noise] that promotes an agent and language was already does but anyway i finally hit on catch what the hell did i did my <unk> absolutely not [laughter] i <unk> i <unk> i get uh oh uh [laughter] well <unk> [noise] sorry i was serious that's interesting [noise] they are weird concept to get a hold though but yeah so to [noise] ah and around knocked down and and all that fun <unk> the fact that my professor that wasn't <unk> shaw [noise] okay hello uh let's say um any partying words wisdom bianca i <unk> i never have really <unk> i don't know any phone [laughter] okay <unk> william make idiot phone put them in your <unk> [noise] and send it to us [laughter] yes okay well them happy caught my thank you for listening to con library you can find all our episodes and show notes as well subscribe to r. i. too or are assess speeds through con larry dot <unk> dot org you can also like our face book page or follow at con library on porter if you would like to contact us with corrections comets questions or suggestions or even suggest your own caught lying is a feature please a male <unk> 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