Conlangery #22: Pronouns

Conlangery #22: Pronouns

Published: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:00:03 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 <unk> and you know she's so <unk> uh <unk> <unk> <unk> she <unk> yeah [noise] mm well cats about like the people that are <unk> what can be in england [noise] lovely right ah in the great we have the air or day we'll get married [noise] how do we take medicine in spanish madison [noise] i don't know i don't i don't yeah i don't like that i felt like that [laughter] which is not wear bianca is would be <unk> some people call at one book but still not but she still i know i know you're not a lot that i find it funny though um spanish language newspapers still always refer to <unk> as a key anyway [noise] [noise] oh i had a story i wanna tell you got the only time my dad has problems with pragmatic so i think [laughter] [laughter] so anyway um today it gets dog from abusive [laughter] <unk> [laughter] okay anyway so i'm gonna tell you that day ah my parents were making a roast or sunday dinner [noise] and um my mom said mom was reminding my dad about it and she said that you put boroughs been seen many murder i mean she she <unk> <unk> <unk> in the drier and then mom said the road mowing the room um and i said the drier [laughter] mm [laughter] so but he done that a lot of things like that he <unk> when the end of the <unk> permission to understand him and i don't know if he does not being japanese [laughter] i cannot draw anything we want [laughter] ten minutes can never ends round [noise] ah anyway i guess weird i guess that was not as funny as story but uh so why don't i quit tried to make twenty stories about like say honey stories about my parents would talk about linguistic topic what okay our topic today is grown now so everybody's got to know a little bit about current now her language but like professional now [laughter] her not to watch now not in any way pronouns or basically a clash of words that is <unk> used to replace a noun are now and but there's a whole lot of different ways you can do uh william you listed a whole bunch a whole bunch of crap here so much crap yeah that's exactly what i did [laughter] so right so we can talk about all these different pronoun coming there are free closed and by that i mean the pronouns our separate words they can flip around all over the place and closed meaning that you can't there aren't new ones there's the <unk> and that's it [noise] there's free open which ah sometimes occurs in languages obsessed with politeness where you have first of all their free they float around the sentence you can be used in different roles and they're not attached other word and open means you can keep bringing in new word and using them as pronouns yeah japanese unacceptable yeah japanese is the the classic easily accessible example um they can be bonded morphine which means they're attached to things and can only go in certain places things like [noise] uh conjugation markers um possessive markers if you use those abound ethics [noise] um and they can be included and and and include it differs from abound morphine in this important way in a language like latin <unk> first person singular subject suffix on her like <unk> or or you know we do or whatever can only go on verbs including including <unk> in theory can follow anything in practice they tend to to either follow the word that go with which might be a <unk> a non phrase that they're possessive [noise] or and it's very common all over the world for included pile up after the first free word in the sentence <unk> [noise] so you might have your subject pronoun be included which might attached to whatever happens to be the first reword in the <unk> it may not be the <unk> [noise] and then you have some languages that might have some full and then some included foreigners into european languages <unk> second languages have usually a mix of [noise] of both independent and and doing <unk> <unk> <unk> i <unk> yeah i see where you're going with that [noise] i'm trying to think spanish has has an example where in hatch an object turn out to the end of her <unk> her but i don't know if that qualifies clinic really uh it is with the infinity when you <unk> it's usually stay <unk> blah blah blah say right yeah i think yeah that's eric hi night <unk> [noise] <unk> and [noise] yeah yeah that's how it affects us the various <unk> warm and in a language like french you might be able to make an argument that the object to pronouns there are pro critics they cannot occur on their own <unk> they have to be followed by another one of them or a verb or something like that mhm so let's talk about this close versus open idea and i wanna say her first of all closed system <unk> doesn't mean that the pronouns never change at all it's just they're they're more restricted and there's sort of a set scheme up but i mean one of the pronouns in english as a loan word or is <unk> who have been a little more originally which one are you thinking hey yeah right right right right [noise] um [noise] but and pronouns can't move around a little bit if you're going out the historical <unk> dire chronic method um they can sort of <unk> positions and such and it's [noise] you <unk> you see in some european languages things shifting uh mostly you see um the singular in plural uniforms as well as like formal uniforms shifting around a lot overtime but that never happened take rush [noise] um but it's just that that happens on a historical scale or as say in japanese you can just a <unk> it's a lot more productive and japanese current out it's a lot of them don't even necessarily go to a specific grammatical person [noise] um it's been a long time since i've looked a japanese so i'm not going to say too much about those yeah i don't know well well i have to have somebody else about that but anyway [noise] so [noise] one thing you were talking about one thing you listed class systems can have a lot of hurt person grown out [noise] i know that just gender often get shown on the third person right times on the second person even well i didn't know about the more complex class system [noise] um so a good one it's an easy one to swahili which has you know seven or eight classes depending on how you <unk> <unk> um and what's really interesting there is the pronouns are all bond okay yeah so let me clarify that all of the third person forms are <unk> yeah <unk> so you got separate first and second person pronounce floating around and you have separate third person animate prominence floating around for people but for all of the other non animate classes are not human classes you have a bunch of bound forms you can create independent forms by <unk> by taking an adjunct <unk> the adjectives all and smacking on the appropriate class [laughter] [laughter] so you have to come up with a dodge jeeze create print out and this happened from time to time um i think <unk> did the same thing historically where'd you hadn't eastbound forms where it and then someone said hey i want an independent pronoun and they just produce some sort of <unk> by making a funky possessive or a funky <unk> to greece um with with um the person you're trying to represent okay [noise] so most of swahili pronoun business happened to number but for some reason you need to say that or or it and refer specifically to a tree um then you've got that possibility is available to you [noise] um i forget what it is for the tree class the tree class is [noise] i forget what the tree questions <unk> in here it's uh oh becomes wow what what's the number of the tree class oh hurry three or four all right so the breed depended thrown out of it is okay and the <unk> right and you just you just you're at your little brief texas okay so [noise] one of my so that's classes <unk> i i'm not quite sure if they're called the classes or genders in <unk> so i like the <unk> just to me because it's really interesting so it has formal and informal versions of the first person pronoun and the second person pronouns separate words [noise] and then it had six separate third person genders one for he won for she won four children which is <unk> seen it doesn't matter if it's a he or she [noise] there's a special program just for god there's a special pronoun for animals and there's a special pronouns for water huh okay why okay i'm not going to ask why [laughter] that question we cannot address <unk> adam [noise] because children are more and i met the animals and they're just don't like yeah yeah right right what [laughter] you you you you i like <unk> when you create your language is you can put children at the same and i'm a c. is animals but not all languages will work that way yeah <unk> [laughter] so but <unk> give that a nice opportunity to talk about another weird thing about pronouns which is clue city uh-huh <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> and my <unk> [laughter] fat and it's not uncommon actually like as soon as you hear that you're like <unk> now well i i don't know i i have not used it yet but um i like the idea so what we're talking about is specifically on the first person plural right is some languages distinguish between inclusive clues inclusive meaning you are including the in her little cute or the person you're talking to a listener and exclusive meaning your excluding them you're only talking about you and another person or other people not talking not including the listener right [noise] so what's interesting about <unk> is that the first and second person pronouns are indifferent to number mhm except when did she uses a plural their first person that matches singular that <unk> is exclusive and that kind of makes it mhm and then they had an continue and then i'll ask that question and then they have [laughter] oh now which is the first person sorrell inclusive uh-huh bianca oh actually i usually wait <unk> you get waterfall on an act natural from like a <unk> like what park right <unk> <unk> can you say that you're right [noise] but it's not <unk> i heard and i mean they padded <unk> [noise] yeah like yeah print as can be <unk> it seems to me but inclusive are the more likely one to be weird and maybe include some residue of a second person form somehow <unk> yeah i <unk> not always the case but it sure seems that it that way sometimes i think um you can go a step further too if i remember correctly american sign language you can do inclusive an exclusive and then there's also a sign that means you wouldn't meet oh just the two of us yeah you make a y. n. you point what you're <unk> you're picky to you and the the listener yeah not be has a very complicated methods inclusive an exclusive for both dual and trial mhm numbers which i always always screw up [laughter] [laughter] so um [laughter] or i i have a panic about um <unk> and the next group something else in the sentence [laughter] typically how it works i we did that it arabic if i knew a weird side was coming on i would become so focused on that the rest of the sentence would just fall apart [laughter] so this this distinction inclusive it he he's into uncommon but it's not exactly the norm so i did a quick check at walls uh-huh and in in in in the ones they looked at a hundred and twenty languages habit do not habit and sixty three languages do so it's about uh uh to to one mix of not having it versus having the distinction so it it's not uncommon but it's [noise] particular like <unk> yeah it's it's moderate modestly common [noise] mhm [noise] uh and there's always always politeness to deal with and yeah <unk> yeah because okay even if you just learn some uh like you know you can you know from just basically learning some european languages that you could you could get it but you know some of these so <unk> some language is go much further and right so we were just talking about <unk> which has polite and has formula informal pronouns we're both first and second um and the condition for you use their as i recall is if you're talking to someone your own age are older you use the formal pronouns and if you're talking to someone user you younger you use the uh the the the <unk> forms [noise] um [noise] what's great is in these languages were you have an open class of pronouns yeah that's where you can get the real fun when these politeness distinctions [laughter] where where not only do you have light forms you're expected to used but you have maybe quite informal or maybe even rude forms you can use to be unpleasant without resorting to swear words [noise] mhm so that's always fun [noise] so every once in a while you'll see a con lying about some magical race of beans or aliens where they have all of these pronouns which make really find distinctions uh-huh and i always think they're kind of goofy [noise] but i was reading a paper about um language language spoken in the amazon basin uh-huh and there's one language there um <unk> which has a pronoun <unk> use for guys to fill a particular job oh wow [noise] so what's the most frustrating the paper i found this in the person who wrote the papers extremely coy about what this person actually does [laughter] so i i posted this on the the common language to never various theories about what might be going on they might be a two spirit you know they they might be some sort of showman but [noise] you know unexpected sexual orientation or something like we have no idea they fill a special roll and then they um when they decide they want to be an <unk> they go talk to an older um and they train them and they learn a special vocabulary for a bunch of words and then from then on people address them using the special pronoun and this is not like a free form either this is a bond morphine was invented [noise] i'm <unk> just to to talk to these days i'm one of the air or <unk> i <unk> i would you [noise] can i can i talk really quick about something i saw in fiction [laughter] not from a pulley develop conga line but it's seen uh i <unk> i remember in the left hand of darkness [noise] this is sort of a really <unk> example of how i don't think i would have done the same thing but she she never really did any <unk> really much of the language beyond a couple of words but she mentioned in there so and looked kind of darkness there's this planet where they're human who lived there but they are a gender and they have a weird instead of metro cycle they about extra cycle where they'd be calm either male or female and for some reason she decided to describe when they were talking that there were times when you would use the <unk> just a regular apple scene and then they would have a masculine poor people who work in the state of being mail at the time and then in the state of being female time it seemed a little odd to me [laughter] yeah i don't know if that necessarily what happened so you can go a little weird with with pronouns <unk> [noise] [noise] i know that was that was pronoun form she said that we're being used in that yeah right so that's really a natural humans this is not normal development for humans if there were some alien race to develop this way i mean there's all sorts of things could happen in the language beyond the pronouns that what would you use when speaking to somebody who's been through one of these which is yeah it's uh it it could be something where it's just [noise] it struck me as slight trying to put gender pronouns into into something and make a point [noise] right um but any way to get that that is actually something that always comes with a pronouns is as people always want to invent pronounce systems that includes some sort of politics [noise] sexual politics or gender politics a particular yes so i always say you know there are lots of languages on this earth that do not distinguish sex ones that come to mind our chinese turkish and persian [laughter] none none of the places these languages spoken are bastion to feminist thought right [noise] uh that that whole idea that um but uh gender specific language has an effect on that is not really has an effect on feminist thought or or or chauvinist thought really <unk> really isn't it true at all so surely i mean there are obviously way language can be used to cause trouble not <unk> but but to to to think that removing gender pronouns will somehow fix things is definitely [laughter] <unk> [laughter] definitely but to me that idea it's like the forty where it's <unk> i don't think it's terrible i think there'll be people who clean to that idea until the end of time [laughter] and it's not like you could actually make a language that has those odd pronouns in it and have at least short of people have have the culture believe that that's why the prone out that way [noise] but <unk> gossiping is going on with the <unk> on my which might or might not be related to gender identity so [noise] yeah it's finally seeing it in a human language an actual occurring human language made me a little more tolerant of the idea but mhm [noise] so [noise] well <unk> well for on a little bit you're mentioning that you mentioned the mosh tips right and you had there are to much you can have the <unk> the uh <unk> i would i would say you could probably have demonstrative the term nurse too [laughter] well yeah we're just going to avoid the whole word determine or if i'm lucky today [laughter] it's complicated [laughter] right so it's not like the personal pronouns are the only pronouns out there yes so we have demonstrative pronouns and and question pronouns and and pronouns relating to [noise] she wanted a teen degree um so what an english we use what sort of how many <unk> many that many all of these are available as both demonstrative both available as pronoun an adjective forms [noise] so in english the word or the same this book this is an adjunct maybe or adjective like <unk> or an independent pronoun i see that in english or identical but in they don't need to be there or languages that distinguish them carefully um if you have one of those languages with you know twelve degrees of distance and appearance non appearance and all of that is really complicated demonstrative systems that some people love [noise] you might make many fewer contrast in the pronoun forums than you do in the adjective forums mhm so that's something to keep in mind as well mhm [noise] so you would take <unk> she were distinctions in the <unk> and the right or or <unk> oh i'm saying is i've not done this survey all i remember reading is that the number does not need to be identical you might have a different number of distinctions proximity in one then you have any other [noise] okay that's interesting um oh i could say i don't know i know that <unk> doesn't <unk> correct me and my mom doesn't spanish have different degrees [laughter] <unk> <unk> they have fox channel media <unk> yeah but they have s. oh they do have a kale okay i just don't want your occasional very very often so i don't remember that they uh so i was thinking that they had to hang on his head right [noise] and ah yeah yeah i <unk> uh uh uh <unk> or or yeah [laughter] yeah <unk> why can't share like change [noise] yes um [laughter] but that's a little bit <unk> complications and you're and william <unk> this is interesting that some times or third person poor people only exist as much right so so you you might have independent first and second person pronouns would you might have nothing the answers to english she and she they might instead be identical to the demonstrative oh okay [noise] so [noise] one of my favorite examples is ancient greek which had um including third person forms but they were such puny little things they were already on their way out [laughter] but by the time you know her audited started writing um and the demonstrative forms were in the standard right in homer i see him we use a different altogether different way of saying things then i see him would be in you know play drums time [noise] and that's pretty common that happened and lots of languages when there are no third person pronounce per se that are distinct from one of the demonstrative and and and then this is one of those things where there's no obvious pattern some language is <unk> this <unk> that the pronouns but you know you can do that as you as you see <unk> yeah and then so you could have short of airport you could have different forums but our demonstrative you could have <unk> or i'm sorry so how long will <unk> how stable is that have only <unk> i would think that they would eventually turn into regular pronounce uh you know that's really good question i don't know enough modern greek to answer that in that particular instance yeah the boundary between pronoun in district sense demonstrative games and other sorts of determine like definite an indefinite articles is always fluid mhm i mean they're always changing this way in that way and and in in more than one language <unk> the boundary between those and copy lesser even kind of leaves so all of that stuff is free form so i hesitate to say any of it you stable and then sort of the last thing in your list that you gave us well you i'm sorry did basis all on your notes but that's fine um you mentioned you just listed pro grow up and i like her grow up [noise] [noise] <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> well english english can pronouns in certain cases in regular speech sure yeah i mean <unk> the <unk> [noise] um well like i got <unk> or <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> yeah okay well we should say we deal a lot of times on the show with things that are uh continue [noise] i think <unk> is a continuum so absolutely english english is maybe they would pro drop is [laughter] <unk> language crops pro forms including pronouns in certain [noise] but what i'm saying is you can <unk> be more or less so english is an example of a language it's not very pro dropping all there's a few special circumstances uh particularly imperative you can drop the <unk> you you must drop a pronoun but in a lot of other cases um it's so <unk> about keeping the <unk> now that for example you have <unk> dummy pronouns with weather for like terrain and to show a little bit further on you have like spanish which most of the time spanish dropped the subject what the subject is encoded on the <unk> so it doesn't really matter but ah probably one of the extremes you would say would be like japanese where you can pretty much drop anything any argument and the <unk> [laughter] i thought it was cheap <unk> cheating cheating calling um spanish pro drop 'cause there's a pronoun there it's just part of divert [noise] what'd by heart pronoun though 'cause it's an agreement stuff yeah yeah you're right so this this texas into realms of theoretical linguistics it oh it's better if i don't start right think about it [laughter] [noise] well i actually actually george i disagree on how i think <unk> i think english is more <unk> than you think [noise] <unk> somebody says hey william what are you doing going to the store yes yeah there's all sorts of times especially in really informal english [noise] where <unk> when the subject is easily um decide to bowl we drop it <unk> <unk> it doesn't have to be just being we're much less likely to drop object pronouns just because that that leaves the transit easy you have too many herbs and question yes we we don't crop objects hardly at all and yeah sorry circumstances we drop subjects i wasn't saying that it was that example i wasn't thinking about at that point but yeah and some sometimes in conversations and i've actually dropped subjects in english they'd cases where you wouldn't expect somebody to just because it was informal way of saying thanks this is al <unk> i can't really they get away right <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> you're kidding <unk> you know <unk> that that <unk> <unk> hi i'm cheryl pragmatically forget rabbit pretty much what i think <unk> so william [laughter] you know of any languages that are more militant some english <unk> keeping pronouns [laughter] no [laughter] well that funny i don't <unk> i can't think of any [noise] i'm gonna say and somebody will probably correct me on this but my working <unk> gonna be that pretty much all languages will cropper pronoun in some case it may be restricted as it has to be ah secondary claws with the same subject or something [noise] or it could be as free as japanese which just just dropped whatever but you just have to decide where it's acceptable or where it's even sometimes required to drop pronouns [noise] [noise] right and that can get tricky because you have to think about sort of controlling um reference within a discourse what's going on who's doing what who can get goofy if you're dropping things all the time and it doesn't matter whether you have agreements stuff to compensate or not is japanese has no person agreement at all um chinese heads [noise] um <unk> it's a little bit like english in keeping things but it it it does drop current events in some cases even though it has no kind of agreement on verbs to compensate so it just depends on whether pragmatic legal language can handle having a part of america not right and if you're going to do this you need to layer up the rules pretty clearly about when this can happen and when it can't yeah and people write entire dissertation done this for japanese chinese and whatnot so [noise] [laughter] oh okay well i think we've covered pronounce pretty well or at least the basics yeah the basics men or make a lot of fun stuff were correct age makes gaps then <unk> well this is how we go we go about thirty minutes worth of it wiped out more than thirty minutes i think and the rest if you want to look it up you can look it up and i'll have some like <unk> [noise] but right now i think we're gonna we're move onto our future cod like which is uh the high pronouncing this correctly bottom bottom <unk> that's right [laughter] sorry this this um [noise] so i think this was suggested on our <unk> warm and also <unk> wanted to look at look at it right now no not on the t._v. that much oh eric <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> [laughter] [laughter] they call it [laughter] okay um so [noise] uh presentation here is not ideal because and so forth threat but we're we're gonna talk about this language [noise] um it seems like he has a good deal to fill up here it's kinda hard to gauge at a glance but um so <unk> hey is hey fictional language or what you might call on art playing it's created by i don't think this guy ever give <unk> give his real name anywhere but he's mr burning on the <unk> beat me and um so and so he has this <unk> likes to different sections just looking a little bit at certain but he also has um it looks like let me check some dates here after he started his um g._b._d.s right he uh <unk> i think just this month just in october um has started work press blog yes where he had that was where he goes into far greater detail yeah oh cherish excruciating historical detail on the things like the development of the voucher system yes which reminds me of those great old germanic language kramer's hi can you stand and then [noise] well i don't know if he's german but he i think he had i mean oh he's german okay [noise] okay sorry about that in that's like <unk> okay [laughter] so this plug it a lot better easier read now looking at it but you had yeah his vows system is uh interesting and the way it it's [noise] it's shifted it a lot [noise] what's what's puzzling to me is he has an east sound and then a long <unk> which is written with illiterate i by the way he's got you know eat and eat but he has long i developing into developing rounding yeah i don't know where that comes from i don't know how that had baffling to me yeah i mean i can see it happening because of aloe phoney and they <unk> maybe but i go see that harming into to the <unk> in all cases [noise] [noise] i assume it's a condition changed unfortunately he doesn't talk about how it is it that long <unk> eat um normally i expect ooh to front in lots of languages on this planet where it goes that way it gets you know disappears turns into <unk> but this going the other way to go from front and then take on running just seems bizarre to me but i mean maybe their natural language that this is a cartoon but have to say of all of that everything about this having i with the <unk> be pronounced you use the one that baffles me the most [laughter] yeah and it's the rating system so um he had his [laughter] good deal um well let's just see if we can [laughter] hey got another look number system is kind of nothing and um so we just have that he has <unk> has <unk> british stops march boy huh yeah i <unk> [laughter] ah can you say <unk> it's so weird [laughter] probably has a little no they think oh it's it's just another <unk> language that the longer you're looking at it you're like no linguists or getting into fifty customer what exactly is going on <unk> [laughter] [laughter] uh yeah um so and he has he he actually does have like uh derive this problem it hurt or language cold pro toe <unk> my <unk> my thing i'm probably not for housing that right [noise] right [laughter] and he he additionally has an old rock bottom hey stage uh-huh so this is this is typical of the disney b._b. madness is to go through these very complex historical things and so you know he's got dialects notes on his blog especially for things yeah there's a good number of <unk> [noise] [noise] yeah yeah uh like a lot of um what about <unk> [laughter] not that many <unk> uh compared to english no but i've heard several languages that you buy two birds yes yeah right [laughter] that's still not that many uh regarding the media range [laughter] <unk> yeah we've got another one of these weird um tom tom pounded uh gender systems where he has animate inanimate but the animals can also be divided into <unk> common animate masculine but em <unk> [noise] [noise] oh really oh yeah oh hi i'm stephanie [laughter] uh-huh yeah look on the thread click on gender but ah i <unk> i had a he ain't even has the historical development of that [noise] [noise] [noise] ah from different <unk> and such [noise] what is most so the now the system is very funky to me uh-huh because it makes interesting use of eating fixes mhm before the final confident of system [noise] um which leads to all sorts of uh i would love to know how something like that supposed to happen [laughter] [laughter] ah how do infectious develop in the first place that's that's my question [noise] so [noise] yeah i mean i normally think of that is developing out of i mean frankly you can think of <unk> as having in texas you have <unk> the <unk> the beginning what you're simply obligatory and always always have to be there even though they don't mean anything anymore [laughter] [noise] i'm in <unk> subject an object or in a case of dumb who the object in subjects gets cramped in the middle and then the <unk> [noise] and if you got enough of that going on that you can reanalyze these things and fixes he's got interesting yeah [laughter] the <unk> or you're not too crazy yeah they're not wacky but there i mean they're they're <unk> they don't seem to be particularly irregular uh-huh and adjectives mush <unk> actually kept seventy agreement yeah can't shower partial partial agreement with uh <unk> right yeah um [noise] quite a lot of her greenville <unk> rad yes verbs are complicated suburbs here yes so he has this damn how's the verb includes the verb route pets voice and mood marking and then there's a personal ending that agrees and gender person then number that complicated <unk> <unk> get some double marking going on or what's historically double marking as you know intellectual form start to get swallowed up my changes than you pile on some new ones to beef up things that are getting missing so <unk> suburbs are definitely the most complicated part of the language so far [noise] mhm [noise] so [noise] although i know some things about it seem kind of regular to me but then once you pilot on top that starts to look at the funky [laughter] yeah i don't know i like the <unk> ah when i'm looking to see [noise] a little bit it's [noise] it's very regular <unk> interesting [noise] <unk> yeah <unk> i don't know maybe i'm just like you just like words to start with a v. <unk> [laughter] oh well that's a very narrow when i'm there but anyway uh he was just slightly <unk> hey hi patty near [laughter] [laughter] okay <unk> i'm not used car well now <unk> <unk> hi <unk> automatically <unk> people are like <unk> yeah yeah i was i was just <unk> i was just reading [noise] but uh [noise] that's just how his [noise] them hundred <unk> work but it's but yeah this is cheryl there's some things that low a little fits it seems like he's got everything very well thought out and he's very big on the history very big on the history yes um i enjoy he he's got the demonstrative we're about we're getting back since we're focused on pronouns today um he's got this junk of demands shoes which is a funny name for demonstrative that our separate words and they have three levels of proximity proximate medial pistol fine [noise] but then he's got clicked demonstrative they're only <unk> mhm so that's nifty i like that <unk> okay [laughter] he also has gender agreement on [noise] on um more than your third person <unk> [noise] um so here we have a dialect i logical aside quote in many dialects hey and saw which are the critics [noise] exist as non clinics and are used as an variable third person pronounce [laughter] er [noise] that happens so that's an issue um i don't know if i have much more to say on this but it is very well call that i would like him to collect all this stuff and put it into a p._d._f. [noise] that's right but uh i think it's a minor <unk> quite well all i can i <unk> yeah yeah he did not do small post there's lots of good good stuff yeah and and on the block he has a nice long text with interest than years mhm yes i saw that um let me find that um and that that how old are you a whole lot of [noise] you can see that this is a very um synthetic language like you have a lot of things have hatching who various times there's there's nothing i don't see but uh couple function things that are fun inflicted <unk> [noise] so you have a great story that ends of the line he went away the <unk> cried [laughter] [laughter] oh [laughter] i don't know where the accent is on me <unk> sorry i would read that allowed but i won't i won't [laughter] hi <unk> thing that we can't now what it is yes where the um uh who had the job we don't know what it is [laughter] uh i i assume the person who wrote that was trying to obey some sort of cultural sensitivity but it's a little fixing 'cause it sounds like it'd be pete [laughter] i felt that drink tea secret information [laughter] [laughter] oh so i don't know if we have much more to say on this but no so <unk> it's an iffy language especially if you like the the historical stuff especially his blog posts have all the details you want about well i mean there's some of it in the in the the forum as well but his blockbuster really go into detail about child development so of course i didn't really choose anything for feedback before we start recording so i'm on a fly one thing is i posted a little ah oh when i'm going to leave that up her well i don't know if i'm going to leave that up until this <unk> post sexually but ah [noise] where do we have to record episodes [laughter] yeah yeah pretty much everybody who answered said we just want regular episodes but not a whole lot of people i answered but i guess it's a reasonable sample of our our audience [noise] pretty crazy like <unk> we i mean people are like oh let's give them their vacation [laughter] [laughter] <unk> well people [laughter] [noise] i think a lot of people actually just download a whole bunch of episodes ah and listen to them all at once so it may just <unk> a lot of people [noise] but um we also had a comment on our episode about aspect uh how about <unk> and uh we're uh [noise] well i can copy and paste successfully um we don't have a whole lot of time to talk about but this guy he said he was asking if <unk> actually separated <unk> aspect no yeah well he was thinking of it and sort of if you analyze it a certain way <unk> different but i know uh <unk> let's see i don't know anything about <unk> so i wouldn't say but i'll refer to william when he says no because [noise] doesn't seem like it would [laughter] no it's [noise] that i'm gonna have to disagree with his reading of of what's going on yeah and he also mentioned japanese by the way is that supposed to be perfect <unk> her perfect yeah he's talking about there no clue yeah i don't know um but he's mentioning i guess you <unk> you do after over sort of make sort of an imperfect but i don't know [noise] um [noise] but anyway honestly layer we recorded corey where um short on time i think [laughter] i think we're going to [noise] hard to quit but i will not go out without asking bianca any words or with a skirt william not today i i think i should plan to have wisdom and the future yeah share play <unk> i'm going to finish it can midnight <unk> right up posted note and put her on your computer [laughter] [laughter] yeah i think that nine eleven i should [laughter] clock like alan iverson i'm like oh crap i that i read up on <unk> [laughter] put it in the dark [noise] hi plus he recovering from an illness so i think <unk> sweet yes on our guys say on salary mar before we this train wreck grows any further i was gonna say happy called like thank you for listening to con library you can find all our episodes and show notes as well as subscribed to r. i. too or are assess speeds through con larry dot <unk> dot org you can also like our face book page or follow at con lying hurry on put her if you would like to contact us with corrections comets questions or suggestions or even suggest your own caught lying is a future please a male <unk> angry at g. e. mail dot com or call in to our new voicemail lard three zero four eight seven three six to eight one [noise] we also have a handy suggestions more on our side martin name [noise] was it in by then during the day is um [noise] um [noise] [noise] [noise] [noise] um

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