Conlangery #26: “Emphasis”

Conlangery #26: “Emphasis”

Published: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:39:48 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 hi casey much like monty <unk> case <unk> veins mean kicking and day [noise] [noise] [noise] [noise] [noise] [noise] [noise] pardon me across the board in new york and closer to build very far away from my bread professor william hello a survey for yourself on t._v. i would choose not to take that [laughter] no no no no i like i would like be in in <unk> oh radio voice because he sounds like a professor you sounds like he knows what he's doing he does know what he's doing yeah i i i put on a really convincing act [laughter] have you not like indiana jones professor but it's a normal kind of for say if i had a which i which hurts [laughter] i'm pretty sure it my last thoughts on this planet is going to be william you clubs or possibly that's going to smart oh dear i'm like oh shut down thing i'm just spraying style speaking of hurting things i'd like to give a special shut out one of our most active listeners i think she she sends out a lot of stuff ah cope with this so he recently had uh some blood pressure if you use understatement and uh he's out of the hospital now so uh i hope you're doing very well and uh i'd like to tell everybody out there make sure to check your blood pressure once in a while because um as he stayed <unk> hypertension is murder too the kidneys among other things among other things and i think we should have a translation challenge that great blood pressure's murder on the <unk> yeah <unk> that's a funny way [laughter] [laughter] oh william you've had something you wanted to mention write off oh i [noise] some clever linguists had a conference years ago in germany i think all about things that were very rare type logically and one of the papers talked about a ah baling changing uh suffix in the wall of language which i just loved so i'm going to explain it is though it were an english but because nobody knows well off so imagine that there's a suffix which we will pronounce cronk which can go on an accusatory verbs especially stadiums so things like um orange tabby orange or to be cranky [noise] so when you use this suffix you get something like orange cronk and what that gives you is the transit a verb means that the subject possesses something that participates in that quality so i orange cronk tee shirt means i have an orange tee shirt [laughter] that's great isn't that great that is quite nice it's <unk> it's and it's very very rare kind of thing which is surprising to me it seems right make so much sense like come out and get their laughing it takes a little while trapped her head around that that that makes perfect sense yeah now i wish i had said cutting linguists in style oh well um that's interesting anyway um no joke very old joke it's like the one thing grace joke i now [laughter] what about the uh whole monica <unk> <unk> it's some sort of snort yeah mhm that's not the actual linguistic so people made a symbol for it but it looks like a big snow anyway that was the worst murdering of a joke ever was anyway uh one more thing i want to mention before we get into our show we did a poll and it looks like most people are are cool with us occasionally featuring <unk> natural language is instead of our um richard <unk> and a bunch of people also made other suggestions ah we thank you for all those suggestions i'll be considering will be considering doing different things with that in times when we're like running short of <unk> uh really talk about so yeah there were some good ideas i liked the suggestion that at least a few <unk> could probably handle being discussed more than once you know spread out over two episodes shed like this big ones they did back to back yeah we spent five episodes will now when i saw it on that is i don't want to do it back to back i would but i would read visit some of those like later on well at least <unk> nah maybe less while to go back current events <unk> what'd you say you are oh okay yeah we could go back to sue or even if it wasn't being revised and we didn't [laughter] um i think now we can actually get into our main topic which is williams crusade against emphasis is what i have another dog basically we're gonna talk about a few different things but sort of our jumping off point is what you mean when you say emphasis because there's a lot of things that you could mean by emphasis theirs and it leads into another topic that we're going to get into so william why do you hate people saying using emphasis 'cause it doesn't mean anything rather means too many things and it's really unclear i can easily list you know four or five things just in linguistics that people mean when they use the word emphasis and i rarely do i know what they mean and i i think especially beginning come lingers might use the word emphasis without really thinking through what they mean by that and so they run the risk of simply recreating english semantics and all of that and more to the point english pragmatic so which is really what we're a good deal about what we're talking about today so i mean the first thing is you should never describe a sound as emphatic my notes or anybody who described it sounded synthetic should be beaten yes right you could you could mean to sound is free in july you could perhaps i mean it's <unk> you could mean it's <unk> right there are many <unk> uh doubled concept there's at least three different things you could mean by that when you say you sound as emphatic and why don't you just tell us three one um i think in phonology more than in other areas when you do on a <unk> probably should stick to the established terms as much as possible when you get into like more person tactic alignment another sort of morphology stuff there's some times several different choices of terms you could use but in phonology everything's pretty well defined yeah these days it's it's pretty standard um so the the only exception i would make and george brought this up in the notes is in the semitic languages <unk> confidence or often called emphatic so you're doing if you're doing a <unk> or <unk> <unk> right you know start start with um produce the medic and then run it through the same <unk> change that cinder in went through say then you're allowed to talk about embedded confidence otherwise please don't yeah yeah that's that's interesting 'cause i think somebody's trying to use hebrew to flush out tokens were oven but i don't get that standard notice semitic languages to describe that series the fringe let's confidence is emphatic as long as she now factor standard cat interfere other languages right <unk> and not <unk> not but the thing that's kind of like my stance on apostrophe for non phonetic reasons like if you have ah <unk> then by all means go ahead and use the uh positive free for politicized things as such but otherwise it's not really necessary <unk> having a <unk> [laughter] but anyway there's what there's not i mean yeah there's a lot more who what people call emphasis than the final logical aspect you mentioned in your notes william there's a whole lot of <unk> <unk> <unk> pragmatic didn't smith things that are called focus in for so called emphasis right which leads to focus but yeah right so typically when people say something is emphatic like at the word level of the sentence level they mean one of two things they mean what's usually called focus which can be multiple different things or possibly they are talking about particular kinds of topics and my topic i mean <unk> the grammar not the the top level you know seem of discussion but you know topic as as the grammatical feature so typically when people say something emphatic they mean it's focussed what can focus on me and and that becomes complicated to you can means something is especially relevant or important you can use the term focused to represent something new something that you some new discourse topic you brought into the sentence it's typically um falls under a focus however focuses marketing your language or you could mean contrast to focus which means you're typically correcting you redo correcting or pre correcting what you think you're listener understands right so uh i'm trying to think you know did bob go to the store yesterday no jane went to the store so that's <unk> focus i'm sending it wasn't bobby it's janeane correcting a piece of information and in english these things are almost always represented <unk> which is also very confusing right it's just you say the thing it's tone of voice yeah um and that that probably makes it a little difficult for people to pull out of english because it's not something that you can really see very visibly if you're a a native english speakers like you <unk> you <unk> you kind of have to have somebody explain to you that stress is works this way in english because you can't really see since there's no there's not really changes and word order anything typically yeah and <unk> there's weird collecting things you can do it was <unk> i went to the store yeah you can you can do some some tactic changes but i think most of the time it's kind of hidden and you'd kind of search on consciously giving what did it without knowing what's going on exactly um and in fact uh while i was doing some some research with this topic i i saw some papers where in multiple languages if you ask people to remember the participants in the discussion you know like if you give people tell people a little story or you give them some sentences and then you ask them questions about that later they have a much they're much more likely to remember things that were focused huh okay right so not only are we producing focussed pretty easily but we are primed to attend to to an end to remember it mhm so it's kind of like it's if ingrained and and you listed a bunch of different types of focus and you're right and and such um you mentioned that okay <unk> can be one thing novelty sure that's that strikes me is something that very common like gets different sort of grammar actually exactly introducing new discourse topics into a conversation is usually handled in all sorts of funny ways for example and most of us don't think about this a sentence like amen helped me cross the street yesterday is extremely unusual uh-huh seems perfectly grammatical wise than usual because we don't introduce especially human beings that are indefinite as the subject of trends if sentences yeah like <unk> we do not in fact is so unusual in normal everyday speech that in some languages it is impossible to say but the sentence well <unk> if you think about it it is unusual if if i were writing something and i had something like that happening i'd probably if the man was important enough to really care who he was i'd probably start with some description of that guy before i mentioned have well typically in a normal conversation will either say what we're doing and then describe the details or will introduce him was you know there was a guy i don't know i mean right so you're introduced nah typically focused and then you say what they did yeah yeah yeah um i'm trying to remember what the languages you know they're they're they're one or two languages were the sentence an indefinite now and cannot ever be the subject of a trend independence <unk> interesting wow after you you have to either use a weird passive or you have to um introduced them how is it gross it's just growl [laughter] you're unusual anyway [laughter] thanks [laughter] if you if you look at the numbers a sentence like that even in languages that allow it are are really really really rare like less than one or two percent of the time are you going to get a sense of like that yeah in natural discourse right when people start writing it's weird but so these are all of these things where it's easy for us to come up with sentence was like oh man help you cross the street yesterday you might get weird sort of ideas about emphasis and blah blah blah okay um one thing that makes me most <unk> i think oh we talked a little bit about this kind of thing and our episode about non configurations saudi because non configure racial language is i think you can change focus by changing the word order sometime absolutely so hungarian is a very well studied for exactly this reason a hungarian does focus marking with word order so you have topic which is typically you know what your orientation the statement around is typically old information and you might have some blah blah blah then you have focus the verb and everything else so most important that the focus position is whatever comes right before the verb oh interesting [noise] um so this is really interesting 'cause there are lots of ways i'm working focus hungarian ancient greek um apparently korean uses word order um to represent focuses well here's the problem no matter what you say most of the time something is going to come before the verb so how do you distinguish when that material is focused and when that it's not focused once again in addition to the word order movement hungarian has some <unk> stuff uh interesting there's there's different um stress accent because obviously and this is the problem that you'll see sometimes in [noise] and now this is a dead languages they'll tell you but i i just happened to all the time in asia greek and that and they'll say oh and greek poetry the first word in a poetic line is emphasize or the last word <unk> versus emphasized right there are fifteen thousand versus the odyssey you cannot possibly have it be true that every first word or every last word or emphatic they cannot i'll be focused the same as truly hungarian every single word that comes before verb cannot possibly be focus so you have to be fed up with some things so if you tell me and your <unk> this or that word order is emphatic you would have better explained to me exactly what situations it's emphatic because of that word order can appear in other circumstances that do not indicate focus or emphasis or whatever you're telling me i will be very confused that reminds me that i need to <unk> re trigger some things and i <unk> because i um started with the idea of putting things at the end of the <unk> when the the default orders s._o._b. but <unk> if you put stuff after the verb and i'm thinking really i should just <unk> i could <unk> i should call that a focus position right after the verb and maybe also put topics of <unk> i don't know so so that would give you latin and uh and with a little less flexibility english english we tend to <unk> especially <unk> focus and what we might call announcement focus um off to the end of the sentence but um one question for focus does it have to be any particular grammatical roll mhm well in the non configure racial language is your focus can be anything okay i can <unk> adjectives down there too sure it in english it gets a bit weird we have to do strange collecting things if we want to focus this or that they they may not naturally go uh subjects especially i saw a big ground ball which was green right right [laughter] english has some annoying need where this stuff is regarded i guess <unk> and it's true with any language with pretty fixed word order so let's go through some of the ways focus can be marked it can be just purrs attic mhm like you know i saw him wednesday [noise] it can be movement was wednesday that i saw him and and and other languages have a little more flexibility with their movement rules you can have focus particles either coming before or after the word um we've already talked about word order and the weird problems that presents um some languages have special verb marking huh so both cop dick and pull our which i learned about today use different kinds of conjugation when the default word order is deranged for focus reasons ah okay i see and pull our is fun because it has yet another verb form for when the verb itself is focused huh [laughter] oh no i did see him yesterday or i saw him yesterday and you know that sort of stuff and but in in both the case well i don't i can't remember the copy coffee but in the pool our cases well you have both special burger king and the movement so it is almost always the case that focus is indicated with a mix of things <unk> okay especially there's going to be <unk> which most people don't think about it for their <unk> but it usually seems to be involved <unk> okay [laughter] i don't mind a nuance <unk> <unk> yeah it's sort of any time you get into pragmatic <unk> it's always pack manic fish quite wonderful and annoying it's it's always kind of had breaking not only once uh on the one side figuring out what exactly you mean to put down because so dependent on contact you have to like almost makeup examples of a whole scene or something [noise] absolutely absolutely things like yeah i hate that worst of all this is emphatic can you please give me more than a single phrase or a single centre [laughter] it makes no sense to talk about quote unquote emphasis to talk about focus focus and and <unk> those are two more topics where you really happens at the conversation at the discourse level uh single sentence cannot tell you what you need to know about how this works and i was just thinking about the before the the idea of figuring out based on based on having to create a dialogue you know seen or something but you pointed out the second part of what i was going to talk about is how do you <unk> present this course and such in grammar with example right and and communicate that too even a linguistically savvy reader it's very difficult because i for one thing it's kind of a new study in linguistics yeah how do you explain it you you have to give people like a paragraph example and do all this kind of stuff like no i <unk> kind of in my sort of the non <unk> section of my grammar i use a one sentence example transform a bunch of different ways to show different um word orders and how they mean different things but ultimately that will only really tell you what the sin tactic possibilities are <unk> i can't really tell you how to use the discourse without referring to you to one of my tax or something right i mean these days i typically have an entirely separate chapter on discourse mhm um for my language is just to to cover things like that so i maybe exaggerated little i think if if if you stop using the word <unk> emphasis and and think about things in terms of focus and if you do a little <unk> you know there's plenty of documentation papers talking about focused and and and topics that will give you all sorts of great detail really help you understand this idea right if you just <unk> the english translation or you know put something in all caps for particular discourse topics you know the book is read the book is red you know whatever you can give sentence level examples we'd really or or do what i did and um represent all my my focus things with um in in the english translation with um fronted sure with plastic yeah fronted <unk> which doesn't sound very natural right it's read the book is just sounds goofy and english but you know [laughter] it's kind of speaker or or some sort of photo irish [laughter] <unk> what oh <unk> irish english does these funky collecting things [laughter] [laughter] okay well but that was that was a a big topic may may you may actually revisit focus on <unk> <unk> <unk> yeah we may well the whole the whole the whole topic focus [noise] new information old information sort of discourse structure stuff is really interesting and definitely we should we can come back to that again review that take take stab at you know focus on topic what's the difference between those two and then um and how do you tell the difference between contrast to focus nick attractive topic because they emphasis they need a congestive topic which is altogether different so yeah huh [laughter] but um we only have so much time to show right but i did this was just part i just wasn't calming or stop calling things emphatic please i beg you yeah yes just learn some some real terms for it and then we well figure it out we say real terms sometimes i mean even just today i was you know looking at some grammar of some australia language that use the word emphasis all the time to draw me bonkers [laughter] usually it's the it's in a context where you know what they mean by that but i i really wish people would not use it 'cause you <unk> we know better now okay with that we're going to move on to our future con lying today which is you ever in yep okay we should say that this was invented by jesse bangs just who <unk> who is uh famous or infamous for what he calls the art languages rant back in two thousand two he made um uh posted a mailing list called lighting <unk> lighting some flames [laughter] towards <unk> art history which i remember the response to that posted very well it was very heated debate so and and he's worried about the idea of sort of <unk> schools people who care about natural lists and blah blah blah [noise] so you know and i <unk> oh no i don't mind being impressionistic want to be <unk> i mean i i read this and um there's some points i uh are that are okay but there's some that i don't agree with but anyway <unk> list congregate would look like what <unk> ah who's the famous <unk> pointless high right yes yeah i actually i was looking at the <unk> i <unk> i went away last weekend now teary against that i don't know anymore anyway i ran away and <unk> like ah cutting <unk> he's not fame last painting <unk> anyway actually looking at it and i could not sleep for like two allies 'cause i could not stupid <unk> it's quick i didn't even have the internet to look it up i was so mad [laughter] [noise] anyway try to imagine a language like that that sounds like ah and i found like you just get the little <unk> yeah little dogs anyway you orange terribly yeah <unk> um um i'm not sure exactly what you're talking about because i'm not in philosophies like that but anyway yeah saying <unk> nice sort of website grammar yeah oh i'm fine i haven't really had the chance to look at it i think i looked at it a long time ago and then small children came to my house [laughter] and i had no time they review it a whole and small children <unk> fire loan small children well you can keep her ma i despise children [laughter] man well you can teach them cleveland anyway [laughter] i don't know i know what to teach myself oh alright so pick something else [laughter] but anyway um <unk> kinda frightening or <unk> <unk> <unk> me too i <unk> actually case yes contra date of contradict of i know 'cause he says it's described in the syntax section but there isn't their syntax section oh dear [laughter] we have another one of these incomplete content lengths would not be on them now forever right [laughter] do they announce are interesting because i think they're interesting because the case marking is a mix of suffix prefix and <unk> fix mhm which is a highly unusual in natural language is to have that sort of mix yeah i'm much more used to seeing verbs that have a weird mix of <unk> it seems less likely to me for case marking on now [noise] yeah well verbs have a bunch of different things to mark whereas now um i mean i can concoct historical scenario where you would get some <unk> but um i would expect them to do different things though not all be cases <unk> meal maybe yeah i mean we've got we've got the knowledge of who cares the <unk> and the date of are suffix is and the jet it if it's a <unk> and i can easily see the that sort of marking being the result of proposition that got glen i'm down to the non overtime oh okay yeah the circumstances weirder which involves both a case worker and a lot i'm done something if it is it's yeah <unk> and in fact they pack on the <unk> yes [noise] but i really want to know what a contract data hey [laughter] me too i couldn't find out i mean he's got some really nice large texts withdrawn in an intern than years so i i don't <unk> [noise] so now i'm classes are some funky mix of in the european and frankly they looked at me like <unk> caucasian languages you have a mix of case marking and various kinds of <unk> going on in some cases are some situations in some classes and then you have you've got the cake class now <unk> which have a double s. most of the time except in the date of and the contradicted when the devil as turns into a k. so the word first song is <unk> uh but the word um but the date of of <unk> is <unk> mm okay yeah um and then even less common class that ends in i. n. d. which disappears entirely for two cases so it's it's plausible mix of different kinds of non torture mm yeah um he also has a great deal of we're morphology stuff in your has voice uh suffolk says and he has passed present future tests that's all but he has and i'm not sure about what this phase thing is i'm oh i think it's a thing <unk> negative and do but you know that's not phase uh that's what <unk> yeah i think it's right he's got i think of navajos we get we've got cross cutting aspects we have straight up that straight up aspect and then we have the <unk> the continuous that says if in a perfect which he's calling phase but are simply refined <unk> of the rest of his oh okay aspect it was so he has complicated aspect in addition to tents which is interesting yes yeah and uh oh of course i love that he has what one two three four five six seven moods [laughter] looking i don't like they're like i don't mind them on to i don't like the <unk> the thing that drives me bonkers about this language is there's so much about it that sort of interesting in complicated and fairly naturalistic but then we get a sequence of prefix is all have the same about now there are situations where the bottles change sort of anticipate tori what we say uh forward foul harmony with the same thing happens in voice active voice and a pass the voice <unk> ooh reflects if you <unk> [laughter] to <unk> to ask um i liked the idea that he's got the the <unk> is marked on the verb <unk> accept people who are offensive japanese i don't see that too often so that was yeah i mean are there i could be missing out maybe people are doing it more these days but um <unk> what he has negative verbs oh yeah i have that but i guess i i haven't seen it very often almost everybody just worked with the negative part of <unk> right and that's actually something i mentioned uh mistakenly <unk> with ah association with something else but he has basically affirmative negative and then do but of pull already on verbs or whatever you call it um i would call to do but of potential probably is more likely rely a modern term i mean it it means things like might rule might have ruled perhaps we'll rule so <unk> mood already now oh really yeah yeah he has potential mood um you know that meaning capability okay so right so that's good then that you need to have all your stupid if yeah it's hard to find terms this is what we're talking about earlier in some cases it's hard to figure out what time do you want to be internal <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> really any <unk> any <unk> heard fan i like moods uh i would like to see yeah if he does anything interesting with with moods pragmatically or <unk> technically in different case but i don't know if he has anything on that what's nice she's got an entire discussion of semantic classes for his verbs lots of of discussion there uh-huh big walls of text which you know scare some people that i i appreciate that again i think it could use more examples but it's nice to show that people have been thinking about these things mhm yeah and to <unk> native yeah he has a is a nice little chart about these verb classes and he talks a little bit of some of the some ethics of aspect i don't know anything else did <unk> did you guys see anything else that stuck out at you he has enormous text and the language yeah i <unk> i was like oh not caffeine is nice tax no phone so clearly he's been <unk> <unk> reflection they they're <unk> good <unk> i haven't land language and i'm not going <unk> yeah i can't i can't find a word list either which is disappointing he doesn't have like any <unk> any of that kind of want to know what the hell it <unk> it's kind of father in law yeah oh this is interesting looking very quickly um i usually look phonology first but just i just noticed that you had some very interesting aloe phony stuff going on which you know if you're gonna be good with you know what else oh apparently actor rob someone asked him a lot of <unk> share the <unk> ah you're meant harmed by the action <unk> <unk> <unk> okay [laughter] is there a term another term for that yes we have benefactors and metal effective <unk> yeah maybe you should maybe you should change that but uh if it every time like your country date if i think contra dance [laughter] so i imagine i mean i know that some doing different things so that's <unk> that's another interesting situation where where you know like like i mentioned i think last time that vietnamese has multiple ways of marking the passive one of which is to say that the the the receiver of the action you know got a bad deal out of things are was unpleasantly affected so this is interesting that he's got an entire case just mark that well are there aren't there i think that our third natural language that has a mile so active er typically it's i mean i'm used to being the same as the bend effective uh right you just have to to interpret i mean if the verb describe is inherently unpleasant then you take 'em out of active interpretations yeah that was one of my favorite things about the language i care about off or <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> and then the <unk> the benefactor [laughter] like l._a. [laughter] right and and that to me is expect us if if somebody things something that should be expected they should let us know that would be interesting yeah i think they could do that or do it at his mouth effective but using the benefactor for both and just the idea seems interesting to me actually but anyway so yeah this is very well thought out where will ah worked out grammar your presentation despite missing some syntax and <unk> and the dictionary oh dictionary would be good and nor miss poem of wisdom literature mhm the ninety nine saying see even concocted hey no make poetic form [laughter] neat it's called the ninety nine sakes again <unk> which is vaccine but whatever oh yeah and they're numbered which allows you to see his number system i want to look at his number system again he didn't bother to describe our perfect based on oh no no no it's <unk> it's just his way of indicating numbers bigger than ten is sending mm yeah it's actually fairly similar to what you see in european languages were in this case up to twenty there's uh a certain hurt uh after that well that's true number systems can be awfully demented strange mhm you ever use hon you need to do an episode on things that are weird <unk> and you have to do an episode on up numbers systems i usually like <unk> or the uh chinese style structure on line but i did something really annoying lee confusing and i do yeah excellent [laughter] i love it but i can't produce my own income like correctly [laughter] it's it's a hybrid <unk> decimal but breaks your head task or for it [laughter] those best movie that i think south from what i've read it and went out and buy yes so that's interesting so i wonder if right <unk> yeah right so french weird number system is supposed to be a substrate effect of i don't know garlic or or frankie frankie frankie fish but now maybe you know it's even <unk> you know european than if bask uses the system like that yeah i think it has some land for just small thing going on [noise] which of course <unk> fad bread [laughter] now ah somewhat i'll have to <unk> ah i was going to make it <unk> <unk> but i decided later that they they actually have pen finger so and we thank you for that [laughter] all right so ah i i i'll say <unk> might find it interesting to look at his now morphology especially mhm just to get an idea of uh uh not entirely implausible way of doing funky things with your bones if we're going to have them declined [noise] um i think he punch it in a few places in his verbal system i mean it's interesting but phonetically it's it's to regular one one more thing i don't think about this very often but he has at verbs that have inflections or degree so i rarely think of uh verbs is having any sort of inflection at all i usually leave them there are some languages were arabs are inflicted to agree with the subject [laughter] wow we can talk about this one is that uh anyway so yeah you every it's neat and and i think everyone who makes sort of artistic <unk> might want to read his art languages rent yeah not not because you might agree with him but just to think about the issue [noise] different things and <unk> [laughter] <unk> [laughter] no i think that's getting too much credit <unk> sometimes [laughter] but i've never life where um what what expression as some be oh expression is so it wouldn't be quite like <unk> that would be you know it would have to be something that that hates and brought stroked but it's still still realistic enough that you can get it yeah i think it would be some elvis language <unk> well <unk> [laughter] <unk> [laughter] i don't <unk> i would i would i would put uh elvis language is a lot of them with sort of romantic yeah that yeah now that you mention that wrote the elves they're definitely depressed romantic yeah they'd be something stupid like i have well that's fine i can touch your thing but more like <unk> [laughter] no <unk> no that'd be stupid <unk> would be probably people who do historical <unk> with heavy heavy sort of <unk> for over a thousand years and extreme details and everything and also developed poetry for it yeah that that's the that's that's yeah that's the <unk> five pages of some changes people or the baroque yes 'cause that's what <unk> it's it's enormously complex and requires a lot of education to understand so uh you know either fraternity quite boring [laughter] i find them exhausting but anyway [laughter] so [laughter] i had any way back that i can throw in here feedback yes uh have we done this feedback before from robin no i don't think so okay well this is an email from robin you said i wasn't sure where i should leave this little message but i just had to say something i'm a beginner when it comes to <unk> truth be told though i've been writing about my con world for years but i was using a <unk> version of a spot on throw for one of their languages i have <unk> to start fresh and think of myself as a true beginner yes you are a true beginner [laughter] q. david but we saw [laughter] ah i tend to let my love for japanese guy the way a bit too much though i was so i was kind of scared of in fixes but i made myself go through <unk> yuck lessons yesterday and they are really are pretty interesting she and william did say it was it was true glad i took a chance yeah ethics as can be interesting i also wanted to say how much i appreciate episode he getting out of creative rob <unk> is what i think of to get out of it a lot i also look too specific words out of a bunch of language to see what i like best we're adding lex uh it takes a while but feels more personal than using a word generator for all your words i love this pod cats i like knowing that not all my ideas are crazy that looking at all different languages is a good <unk> actually a very good looks of conned generation technique i prefer now that i've gotten used to doing it i prefer to to generate a giant list from awkward and pick and choose but you know this looking at different languages and picking and choosing is is too i tend to look at different languages to pick and choose um semantic range and how different ideas or expressed across the lots of different languages for me that's the most interesting part i don't typically borrow the sound of a word from different languages that almost always happens from scratch and that's a good idea the doing the semitic range that will keep you from relaxing english exactly exactly and it's interesting to see how different languages do it mhm well that's sad though that she learned a language that bianca just killed [laughter] well you you knew nominally killed off in you know but it's still gonna be on line forever right [laughter] okay [laughter] going back to the <unk> a good way to do that i found i like to go to <unk> go to that i look up <unk> like translate and then go down and look at all that translations and now you should be at least one actually languages i have multiple <unk> for you to be able to see the gift that range is that they have that and that's a good idea i like that and going back to <unk> could kill it off but it will still be there and like <unk> [laughter] well it's like no i think i i'm glad it's they got <unk> i think it is an excellent excellent thing for beginners to look at 'cause it's not as for onto you got various kinds of alimony going on especially with the bottles and and a different kind of grammar so i i like that yeah thank you um it is kind of begin ask 'cause that was my face kinda thing which you know i think it's a lot of the rain <unk> heard that now but [laughter] it's simple enough to start with but that's and find things going on you know i was resistant to thinking about this before but maybe in the future some time we should do a bonus episode where we actually review each other's called like <unk> an entire episode of well not an episode but you know focusing on one of my old <unk> and everything i did wrong [laughter] [laughter] right now because of that or to have done wrong might be useful [laughter] uh i mean normally you know george we've avoided talking about er i mean we mentioned are languages but we don't want to do a whole episode about our uh our language it seems kind of goofy for us to yeah to do but to to to to workshop old ones that have problems that we might want to discuss seems worthwhile networks uh it's kind of i like to have old languages but they are not on line where i'd have to actually pose right by a terrible crap is yeah that would be sad to prevent it presents a nice lay out for language you've given up on already yeah how would you even get the effort to do that i think that's an i decided to give up on on <unk> i didn't have the energy to continue with <unk> just because when i was riding <unk> flying like how like fish it's much better <unk> and i just wanted to laugh on something else instead well that's great i mean um you know i'm i'm one for like keeping all my stuff and then <unk> yet later what i did for i rio in fact i wrote in the in the <unk> the grammar which should be coming up soon if i don't decide to add three more sections should again or something [laughter] um but i i wrote a preface that included some of the history of it and where it started which is very different from where it uh when i didn't i didn't go into details but where where are you real started when it was called a roof arrow was a um different it was a different um con world concept definitely and i made some major changes between there and here but anyway i think we can wrap this up uh bianca do you have any words wisdom ah no i love it [laughter] [laughter] yeah you had wisdom earlier yeah but i used to show any <unk> yeah i <unk> <unk> <unk> yeah and william do you have anything yeah i'd translated the phrase i liked a lot into my current language without ah say can <unk> i mean i mean which means silenced never sounds bad which was advice to a composition student [laughter] okay we do this and languages too right we wanted cover everything and we do too much i think sometimes you get the kitchen sink effect so sometimes you you you don't need to specify just step back you <unk> you don't need twelve moods step away <unk> sometimes it's not like you have to like eat out and half yeah like articles i don't know [laughter] [laughter] yeah ah well and with that i'm going to say happy <unk> to no thank you for listening to con library you can find all our episodes and show notes as well as subscribed to r. i. too or are assess speeds through con larry dot <unk> dot org you can also like our face book page or follow at con library on put her if you would like to contact us with corrections comets questions or suggestions or even suggest your own caught lying is a feature please a male <unk> uh gee male dot com or call in to our new voicemail lard three zero four eight seven three six to eight one we also have a handy suggestion warm on our 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