Conlangery #56: Growing a Lexicon

Conlangery #56: Growing a Lexicon

Published: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 04:00:53 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 let me <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> let's see [noise] walk 'em to calm language or marketing but the people were like with me in wisconsin is one william and two and overeating or mike where are you now i'm in pennsylvania is in pennsylvania now that's my <unk> and we have a special gas on a show over in southern california paint name you probably will know david jay peterson go king go the kind of goes one like five percent of our audience knows about this because this is the kind of audience that doesn't follow sports of any kind [laughter] but we are the five percent [laughter] stand with me brother great great uh anyway so how's it going yes just bitchy damned if we didn't talk for thirty minutes before starting recording we're [laughter] ah we have they would peterson on for a very special reason barrel save that for later later in the show we also wanted to hear him toward the main topic too which is growing a <unk> so williams that's with your idea in the first place why don't you sort of explain what you mean by growing up like oh well um i suppose i should start by saying that most of what i'm planning you're talking about today is related to naturalistic <unk> in the sense of you know something that might positively occur international human language um and that you want screening language that doesn't just relax your native language into your <unk> so if you're a new coming here when we talk about relax you just talk about copying the meanings from your native language into your invented language that they have to sort of languages you create i think there'll be some useful <unk> we'll say but some <unk> probably <unk> you won't care about and the reason i wanted david honest because the last ten years on the show i don't even remember the episode either during the show or before or after the show he mentioned that the dictionary what's his favorite <unk> oh yeah basically if you divide it coddling into one hundred percentage point shall we say <unk> <unk> ninety five percent of language right <unk> <unk> right and and that so that my next point is the inflammatory statement for this month is your dictionary easier calmly and everything else is just sort of been dressing <unk> for me growing less kinda not one of my favorite parts of it actually so [laughter] right no i know there's some people it really i did buy their tables or conjugation <unk> decorate so some people are are interesting but in terms of tools people use communicate it largely in your dictionary so my favorite example of this i discovered recently [laughter] mhm uh in the seventies maurice grows to the french linguist and some of his colleagues thought that they would write a french grammar using <unk> grammar because what we sometimes forget about the gender <unk> grammar movement is one of the things that we're supposed to do was provide better language instruction too [laughter] [laughter] oh man ever further from that goal but um so [noise] i know so in order to to write this gentleman grammar they needed to determine the behavior of the actual you [noise] french language so they went through a bunch of french verbs and just sort of made a list of things that native speakers would accept happening to denver um various kinds of transformation <unk> tense things various kinds of argument structure things and for every single bird but they came up with the big long list of things out of about eighteen thousand divert no too early huh [laughter] <unk> amount of how your you your words or use is determined by the word not some abstract conception of grammar mhm um as usually understood in any case especially not if you've been exposed to the sort of gender grammar stuff so that that's how i feel like making a statement and sort of agreeing with david thinking you know ninety five percent of your language is your words so yeah well you know once you once you bring up kind of <unk> this um this idea that i think we need to fight against when we're creating languages ah or at least now i mean since since uh since the online community sprung up uh which is that um [noise] much much of coddling unit ben influence since the mid nineties by linguistics ah usually by people that are in <unk> in linguistics or related linguistics in some way that are um tide of bringing their knowledge to the coddling community in bits and pieces [noise] um and there seems to have written this idea that uh <unk> link with do is right they take a a language as that exist in a while and then they analyze it producing some sort of an analysis um some sort of like kind of a matter of structure that is this language de constructed [noise] ah and then the idea that has a risk and that <unk> the colors job it should go from that structure backwards to the real language [noise] um not only is it possible um but it produces a lot of an satisfactory result and also produces a lot of um i kind of ideas that that don't readily rank true that is that you know language tend to kind of bal too um uh kind of like underline met a structure at all staged ah where it's really it's that structure that we're trying to our best to glean from white is just like <unk> <unk> <unk> right right right foot by a whole bunch of different uh mouths and brain all over the place uh where no two people necessarily have exactly the same grammar right [noise] right that's true yeah um and i go to george i just want to say yeah i think there is sort of a problem with people incorporating people starting from linguistic three and starting from sort of a platonic ideal of the grammar of their language uh going out i don't know if in all cases there's really a um an alternative to that but you know but there are things considered there right um and another one of my example is as grown too mhm mhm which did actually had speakers and we have this i and unfortunately it's more um [noise] gung ho promoters talk about it simplicity but that complete bunkers right you have the same [noise] long collection of rules for [noise] individual words and idioms and how words are used in whether or not it can be a passive and so on and so <unk> is exactly the same as you get in murray sclerosis giant bliss so so much of language learning is taking place in the behavior of individual word so [noise] um not only not only that with or or i just wanna throw that that <unk> ah yeah i took a class audit uh when i was at berkeley to learn it it was uh it was kind of a student run clap and it was elected but it was taught by two native us barrage of speakers mhm um yeah they um one was born in russia ah and her parents folk uh different languages are they spoke are so she grew up learning russian begin russian russia but she would only speak that's brought you out with her family ah like they wouldn't use russian and then their family moved to the united states and she learn english another grew up in korea and she learnt a in south korea and she learns korean and <unk> again only speaking it's brought in with her family in the name of the united states where she learned english they somehow met each other and they wound up at berkeley at the same time uh they are they knew each other for <unk> uh meaning and so then they put on this class and and i was there for the first one that was kinda cool but um as i was learning it and it's with me free coddling i didn't i never thought of creating my <unk> <unk> um yeah they were teaching a grammar and blah blah blah and history desperado how great it was and um and i would just pick up on these things i was like well if you can do that then you can also do that <unk> you know i just start producing things yeah i i mess around with court order because you could uh i i <unk> i i taught myself latin a bit and then of course there's the whole word or things like that so like they're all these things that i was doing and every single time he would run up against the wall like well yes you can do that but no you can't it's just not how to use the language he talking about you can do it it's like no like uh <unk> not as simple but you're right um i i kind of getting into how this gets into creating <unk> um one thing i know that is in some uh some really good uh matt lang bilingual dictionary but i don't see it on line dictionaries a lot is examples and i don't mean like sentence example um but i mean let's see what your um <unk> [noise] <unk> um they'll have listings of certain like uh idiomatic phrases i'm trying to think of one right uh real quickly um well i've got one in my brain so ancient greek it might have words for loud and quiet i can't think of them offhand but you don't say that you normally say that it sounded big or small oh and if you're coming does that you should tell us that you should tell us [laughter] with the word big or you know you probably want the definition and vote increase district clarity and you're not writing though i i guess i guess <unk> <unk> a good greek dictionary them the listening i'm describing would be like you would have big uh you would have the word mhm it would be lost the big and then i have an example you know till the town right big sound quite loud sound right exactly that's the kind of thing i'm just like i'm thinking of <unk> too but you know that's something that you need to consider it is important to consider you know not just absolutely what words or in your life hon because like <unk> big um with a <unk> big you know <unk> uses you know big <unk> rather than loud and talk but they have loud and soft <unk> i'm actually i would have to go verify that they may they may not they may not well i don't know i have an example uh from chinese uh but um everybody can drink but uh i found out about this [noise] this is not necessarily the same kind of thing but so in english you order a pepsi or coke um in chinese you order a <unk> which literally just means cola mhm so we have a word cola and chinese has <unk> uh token pepsi but we just phrased that differently when we you know are at a restaurant that sort of a little getting into pragmatic and stuff but it's sort of a <unk> a good thing to know how your words are used in that good spin off in the whole other topic so right well the point is it is wild lee insane lee unlikely for some word a. in language a to match perfectly to word be in language be mhm mhm it just doesn't happen <unk> single word list is is lying to you if it's about a natural language um and the news is unlikely um invented language if you're aiming it natural there's some i mean we're like television probably doesn't have too much to go for strange diverting version demeaning yeah um in the short in the short term but common words you might right the thing that would the word sweet to <unk> you know the tastes sweet can metaphorical extend to in languages it's quite huge yeah yeah um yeah actually uh and this is uh i i personally i think it's as good advice for anybody learning a natural language but one of the things that uh basically what i always do yeah way up a bunch of language dictionaries i'm sure we all do it if i want to know what [noise] uh if i want to know how to express certain concept [noise] ah <unk> in a in a given language um i was the first thing i do is i look it up in the english to whatever language side like with my hawaiian books actually have two different ones wanna english to wind one that's why in english i look it up in the english to hawaii i and i think usually they give me water like seven options [noise] and so then what i do is i look up option one i see what it is that i go over to the wine english flight and <unk> that word yeah and then it <unk> it gets to find from a different perspective yeah they're not they're not defining it then you know what english where did this match up to it's more like um here's this wording hawaiian how is it used in hawaii and then that gives you <unk> at least you know with the <unk> right with a with a book example that gives you a better idea of exactly what this word means and how it's used as opposed to just look it up to one to one correspondence uh-huh yeah exactly <unk> so do we ah when we did or i'm sorry william uh when we did our own were creation episode one thing that i think beyond just suggested was when you are winning a new word goto which nursery and then look at the examples from other languages look those up mhm and see how sort of the semitic field differ right i i think it's useful to think about word meaning as not some acquaintances but as a cloud and from language to language to language there may be a lot of overlap but every language is going to also have a little bit <unk> or sometimes quite large bit that extend to be on what we're used to in our native language and mhm [noise] and and and and and that division can happen multiple ways right you could have your native language has a very small <unk> meaning around a word mhm um and other languages my split that cloud up differently or they might have a much larger cloud which encompasses very wide range of meeting yeah yeah um [noise] one thing i i um remember uh doing when i was learning uh chinese uh both spanish and chinese divide the the the major senses of english to know in two two words actually arguably chinese could might derive it in my uh divided into three different words and i learned the chinese my in my hand <unk> hey pretending that i was explaining it in spanish course spanish speaker because on the surface they look the same spanish has <unk> <unk> <unk> which is you know informational knowledge and acquaintance [noise] i'm in chinese has uh <unk> <unk> which <unk> similar but there's you know a lot of differences with spanish you can use <unk> what a place where you've been but chinese i don't think you should do that i think you have to use <unk> or you <unk> do something i've been <unk> yeah so did you have to sort of so that can be one thing just comparing different languages and then figuring out where you want to draw your line right when um one thing i did when i was looking up a semester on to [noise] um i was leaving i think <unk> uh learn learn new dot net i think it was it er yeah and uh when i didn't know word i'm looking at both english and spanish and all the russian and chinese makes those word [laughter] see how they kind of humor that word upon the different meanings coming from the her language so right there at at the very minimum almost all of your words in your dictionary [noise] should have sort of multiple losses lifted and even that's not not going to be complete if you're being <unk> [noise] yeah that's true that's true i mean i in the last month or i mean it started sooner but i've embarked on this project that we mentioned i think two episodes ago but i'm calling a common language disarm us mhm which exactly addresses this idea to sort of get me out of old habits to understand how these what were you know police to me right the the multiple meanings of single word can have can am across languages [noise] and it is really hard to find good the dictionary and they tell you everything working me uh-huh yeah especially on line and even prints dictionaries can be very depressing i mean there's some that are brilliant wonderful [noise] um but uh we're too we're mapping it almost going to almost always not telling you things you need to know didn't know you have a little list of things patterns of listen to me that sure it's interesting to me why don't you go through down that list and we can talk too much about that um well the obvious way a single word can take on additional meetings is by metaphor mhm um so it turns out there are common patterns of um soon as the asia [laughter] in language <unk> so that for example the mode douty <unk> return that describes a sound <unk> might metaphorical you come to describe what color mhm so my favorite example in english as we talk about somebody who's wearing clothing that's loud mhm yeah [noise] um and we can use the word sweet which is you know it tastes labor to describe all sorts of things including aroma mm so metaphor and there are many kinds of metaphor as we can add um idioms and phrases that sort of fixed overtime and take over states than words um another big one is <unk> um which is a funny word that describes a situation where you name something by something that occurs with it [noise] my favorite example it's sort of a stereotype phrase from old westerns we talk about how the cowboy wrote into the sunset with his chest them button [noise] <unk> <unk> his chest is not [laughter] sure in mine never i've never [laughter] you've never heard that yet no kind of a gruesome one would often make fun of because it's kind of shocking to comment more common sort of thing it's like we talk about the white house it this yeah that happens all the time in right in ah english washington <unk> yeah yeah but see but i mean it's hardly the only language i mean the word for pharaoh means great house and egyptian <unk> <unk> once again if the building representing the person representing an institution there yeah but there's oh uh <unk> yeah emmett me a ton of mine i may <unk> sorry [laughter] um <unk> and then there's just sort of the normal wear and tear of time and things get reanalyze when i was growing up funding was only a noun uh-huh um um <unk> i'm in my lifetime it it become also an adjective although some parts to complain that it's not entirely true because i think i've read somewhere that fun has been an adjective for longer than that but anyway [laughter] um i i would like to add uh just too short things to it one thing that's very interesting to see worth that actually don't change over time i mean aside from south i mean me like the word for word for sun so in <unk> at least in in the european it's been sun for ever right [noise] i mean <unk> <unk> <unk> and actually when i was interested in uh just while you were talking i went and looked at the <unk> sweet apparently it was pretty much sweet frumpy i eat right and it it covers much the same ground the um company covers much the same ground in ancient greek yeah pretty crazy ah but i mean obviously there are tons of words that too but you know change radically overtime but um that that's one of the things that i <unk> uh at least very instruct it by the way i don't know you guys use it but i recommend a website called um adam online dot uh calm [noise] that i have seen that like for it's a great yeah that i i i think it's great the guy who runs uh you know whatever [laughter] so [noise] um i i know the thing i i wanted to mention that um [noise] it can um have you tried to do something naturalistic as opposed to uh just you know really artistic and <unk> then you know um there is uh i i would edit word caution for especially when you come up with a new term um two immediately starch proliferating it with other senses um something that i've found to be the most useful when <unk> you start with a word that at some point in time had at least had one basic meaning most most words usually do if you go back far enough but you know i can be because we had a complaint record but whatever anyway so the way to cruise other meaning though is he usually when somebody trying to discuss something that they don't have words for [noise] [noise] yeah <unk> and they make use of what <unk> they have on hand ah and that's um and actually working directly with translation [noise] trying to translate things uh using your own you know using what you got [noise] that's one of the way that i've found um you can create some of the most fruitful an interesting naturalistic uh proliferation for a given step [noise] um so often i'll come up with things that i would not have thought of if i just been sitting down and saying okay what else could they weren't me one of the context could it be used and uh so often uh whereas new it'll just i'll just start with it and it will just have one basic meaning and it will be cut up like in a in a in a hazy stay healthy well you know what else can i possibly do with this uh <unk> can i have with it um and you know translations usually watch what gets me there yeah yeah translation is a really good thing i might ask but um <unk> things one is that when you are <unk> and like for me translating is has been like the primary way i build luck hon um and one thing that helps me is to win i am lacking a word i don't <unk> make up a word but i look through my dictionary or search for other related words that i think i could put an extra on that would mean that we're right now that you know one way of doing another thing you can that uh you know thinking <unk> can do is uh trying to come up with other sort of eating idiomatic uses like gum in a translation that i did <unk> i had to come up with the word um uh with a way of saying to make peace and you know i could've been extremely boring and uh unlikely and just said okay to make peace <unk> done and exact count but you know i had other ideas you know you could do a lot of different ways with you know making it to her group or doing all sorts of we're driving a fur from peace or something when i and ended up doing was to change to making idiomatic phrase to promise and that sort of made it that means to to make peace or to sign a peace treaty or various other things right and then yeah that makes complete that in all of this talking about words taking multi meetings i mean it it might start to sound a little crazy um especially if you look at me incredibly wide range of meetings i mean compared to someone who speaks english to see all of the things like um in writing the thesaurus i once did a search of a whole bunch of dictionaries um uh different things that were sweet can mean [laughter] and i was surprised how many times the word also meant salty [laughter] [noise] no it turns out in those languages there's uh sort of a joint cents which means tasty mhm uh right so that makes sense but at the first it's a little shocking but you're like what <unk> possibly work but once you see that tasty then you're like okay that makes it [noise] i mean the the point and beating up too is to surprisingly large degree words take their meaning from the situation they period and the company they keep mhm mhm so uh sort of formerly people talk about cold location would words come together regularly to take on a special meeting and i was just talking about this right we are in greek <unk> big but when you talk about noises that's what you used to say something's louder quite used big in small [laughter] even though you might see languages would this tremendous range of meaning how the words actually get used removes that ambiguity so that's the next that's another reason examples are so important in a dictionary well to me though when you're coming up with a sense that's actually a new definition those are two different words how in the same <unk> <unk> another war and so that's that's actually what i do with them in in my own dictionary and said just a really easy example off the top of my head it's uh um induce rocky and the words or uh color [noise] how do you say this color saturation i guess i don't know um if you want to talk about the you know blue years regular blue or something but you want to talk about like blue and dark blue [noise] uh the words that you use our shallow and the <unk> oh interesting so deeply obviously have an english we'd say gee player but i don't think we'd say shallow like very much but um their original that's as we're for um water uh you know how how the inhouse shell water is obviously very important ah you're forty [noise] but um yeah idea's shallow or water is wider deeper water it's darker turns got quite directly to colors um but when when i'm writing this up in the dictionary i basically you know so if you yeah you look at the english with rocky side and you look you know like and and well obviously light up a lot of what's an english but you know the one that refers to color useless number and it just said this work [noise] and then um st per dark than if you go to the other side it's just too different definition basically um and uh and as far as from a user's perspective that's really all you need to know uh and then yeah somebody's interested they can look at that and say oh there must be some sort of connection hair blah blah blah but um he's very uh <unk> uh <unk> how can i call them <unk> sort of uh more basic adjectives like a big small onto another degree uh deep and [noise] shallow can be can have a whole lot of um you know [noise] versatility i know that um [noise] like <unk> when i compare english and spanish there's not a lot of differences <unk> chinese an english there's a lot of very subtle shades of meaning like for example in english when we say somebody has a big <unk> it really mean that it extends a long way from her foot mhm in chinese when you say that you have a big nose it's they have a wide nose and uh news it extends heart from your face is <unk> it's uh hi [laughter] i know that's <unk> [laughter] i could i could say that i love the character for go <unk> no [laughter] anyway um right so one thing that's interesting is one of the papers i saw that looked at the dictionary them a whole bunch of african languages nephew in their language and [noise] to try to collect patterns of common listen me [noise] fifty eight percent of the instances <unk> listen me which was several hundred only occurred in a single language wow so if you're looking for wild and crazy meaning 'cause i know some people who invent language sometimes like strain at no wildness [noise] this is a place you can do it because the creativity of human languages and the only the fifth year so that were checked here is tremendous huge [noise] um the commonalities [noise] sometimes obvious but they're not as common as we might think it's very cool yeah no i i to me was the most interesting thing about it while at the same time i you know i wrote this artist with the ideas [laughter] telling people some common ones just certain <unk> thinking in different ways [noise] um so how do we wanna talk through i know we've talked about translation right you got a new word and then you use translation to create things too but i think you can do a certain amount of work on a new word for some other related meetings do we wanna talk about some of those little bit or not oh well maybe this will be a good place to circus maybe not i'll let you decided after i'm done i'm going for it anyway [laughter] but um i know we're talking about the electric on but i also wanted to just bring up um when i thought was a very insightful points about ah grammar and um there's a a wonderful book i read called um [noise] i i don't remember what it's called but it's by uh joan <unk> um and william <unk> and a third person whose name will not come to me um but um [noise] one of the things that they showed with uh grammatical systems specifically ah a look at history [noise] uh uh <unk> <unk> is that um [noise] modern language that it's a language estate <unk> uh the the amount of um kind of uh [noise] what do they call them uh they have a special term for whatever all right i'm just kind of before this [noise] uh i've given term it's who you will be partly are actually in large part um decided by what it used to me so uh for example there are several different ways that you can even call um like a a progressive aspect huh um and then there are um some that are just completely oddball that like you know one language shot or does it uh so it's not as if there's only one path or one set of <unk> but then a lot of them come from for example um you know be plus uh <unk> uh a lot of them will come from uh the word stay [noise] or or stay or the word stand uh a lot of them will come from um uh a construction that <unk> talks about location um so yeah it's something <unk> something like i am at and then for and that means you're in the process of doing it uh one of the things she noticed and this is just one area uh t._n._a. ah they looked at everything uh one of the things that they notice that um how uh given <unk> itself in the modern state of a language it's going to be partially determine by the way it used to be uh so it won't be the case that aggressive in language x. will be exact same progressive and language why and the reason <unk> often be what its history was and the same i think the same principle candy applied not ah can be played outside of grammar it can be applied to the electric hot so it does matter if you're modern day work for uh uh uh light you know <unk> originally from deep or it came originally from something having to do in hawaii it came originally from yeah some other location uh it will manifest itself in certain ways uh and at something that really you you have to model by kinda slow we've all yeah we're working with or or creating a or translate but uh anyway [noise] yeah no i think it's i mean i've recently been seduced by a theory of grammar that views grammar and vocabulary as part of <unk> that are kind of all the same thing anyway [noise] yes [noise] um so i mean that's even if you don't if you're not prepared to accept that someone radical idea it's a production you should be [laughter] um i think for coming years who do not care but theory it's a useful fiction for making a more realistic and sort of like sickly rich and dramatically rich language [noise] um i think we can say that any linguistics series really can be whether you uh are interested in the theory or not can have some little bit of useful friction for con language in there because [noise] i don't think any of them are really that i mean no scientific theory or scientific model is really telling you exactly what the thing is but like linguistics series it seems like are definitely not even so solid as well definitely not sue solid as like visit [noise] um well right right and not even too solid there's some other uh <unk> and there's also there's also a caution here which is uh something that i think it's known in linguistics but not perhaps not well known outside of it which is especially within <unk> ah there is an idea that uh there's there well there's an idea floating around about psychological reality that has um you know <unk> theory this actually explaining how language works in the brain and i think that there's a crush it outside of linguistic that um the goal is always create a theory that is psychological reality so they're trying to get it how language worked in a brain that is not actually always the case with syntax <unk> uh many in texas there's definitely try to come up with a framework [noise] that would allow them to be able to model language there that are there was no they're just there's no claiming to find a way to describe yeah there's so there's no there's no claim often uh for the psychological illiteracy of a given uh formula it um there was a really wonderful example with uh with with uh physics is that we have physics that can describe you know the effects of gravity but we're not saying that these models are exactly how gravity or it's just what we used to describe it it's a fat essentially right um right and <unk> and often uh <unk> doing the same thing and so what has to keep that in mind when looking at especially in tactic theory in real life uh this is not necessarily the <unk> supposed to work in the parade and once you have that in mind then that should basically kind of <unk> it should affect the way you use that they're here when you're creating a language if you're trying to create something naturalistic yeah yeah they don't hurt your analogy just a little bit further you know there are probably a lot of <unk> theory that we well we probably don't know that they're wrong because on line until we get really really good uh brain scans we're not going to do that and then like we'd have to get much much better than we are but um like in physics we know that new tony and gravity is essentially wrong but we still use it on certain scale because it's more it's easier to do the calculations right right [noise] i mean uh wind thinking about how to create new words into thinking about you know possible extensions of meaning i actually think formal semantics he's a useful tool not because i think the human brain [laughter] [noise] does typed lamb that calculus [laughter] uh-huh because if you really into those it's a useful tool and a useful practice to think about all of the different things that can go into your words so for example in english we have [noise] <unk> run walk salter flow <unk> mhm they're all this guy describing movements from one place to another yeah but the ring in addition including all sorts of other information indication of running walk simply talking about how the differences in boca motion salter hasn't you know when the implication of behavior that has nothing to do with <unk> per se mhm mm [noise] you know flowing <unk> have to do with consistency so there's all sorts of ways different pieces of information you can get crammed into your words and something like formal semantics again if you've got to stomach for it um can be a tool for thinking about that uh i think having a stomach court is the right way to describe though yeah i mean from atlantic city tough going but some i know there are definitely some calling her shoe like that sort of stuff so [noise] you know and that sort of thing you like then you would like it very much [laughter] [laughter] oh like that right i mean so for me one example that i did recently so here in wisconsin it was very exciting we had a couple couple got together and late three egg on the side of one of our campus buildings and so they <unk> at some distance a camera and we got to watch the little baby hawks which now a whole bunch of people now no the proper word for a baby hawk which is biased [noise] um i <unk> yes e. y. a. s. possibly e. y. a. s. s. depending on how you're feeling that day [laughter] [laughter] but i was out in one day 'cause it was you know the obsession of everyone and it was hot out so they were painting i'm like ooh i don't think austin has worked for pants yet [laughter] [noise] so i created that and it starts off his pants just referring to eat or exertion mhm and then i [noise] [noise] maybe <unk> even adults hawks are actually not very dignified creatures <unk> right when they're sitting there with their wings out painting and they had this very funny habit of turning their heads completely upside down to look at things [laughter] which is charming but not very <unk> five so it made me think of them not looking bright so i added the additional sent to the the verbs them to uh to me to breed with your mouth open mouth breather right exactly and then the last thing i added just and i don't know if i'll keep it but i liked the idea of this word would also indicate that you had a nasal congestion 'cause your nose and you have to breathe through your mouth mm mhm right so that's the <unk> just like right up from all those <unk> [laughter] so i mean that's just one way to think about this how well you know metaphor image really look at what's happening what is this really in coating it did in coding that it's hot <unk> which is more like we're done there's eggs or <unk> or is including that your mother just don't [noise] um did it off and just wait to to do that um i keep <unk> on the major cognitive metaphors that i've decided to use for language [noise] um so for example in custody of the word for foot is often related to the over sort of expression of political power or violence um and there was a great l._d._c. presentation where a guy gave an entire talk about how you might use <unk> needed metaphors language and we could include that link [noise] david regret that one <unk> <unk> it wasn't on <unk> oh okay yeah research [laughter] yeah i i was there yeah it's it's a great time uh it was um [noise] if um if you're looking for by the way are uh print resource it that's the type of thing that uh that helps you out a lot um really nice introduction short introduction [noise] it's a choice like off in march johnson's met a force we live by uh absolutely it's very short it's a very seventy it varies seven [laughter] there's uh there's one point and tie in in time where uh <unk> jeeze reminisce thing about having a class and he says like uh one of his female students come in comes in and cheers and <unk> and saying i'm having a metaphor problem with my boyfriend and they apparently just stop class to discuss you know to rap about your situation that yeah that seventies [laughter] anyway so really it's a really nice intro um beyond that uh lake cost wind and fire and dangerous thing it's more <unk> or i'll say uh metaphors we live by more kind of english focus um women <unk> things ah branches out to other languages um yeah but it's ah kind of it's longer it it took her going uh it's also excellent it is um but it is it is interesting though yeah [noise] um uh so i think we do need to <unk> as <unk> as much as i love this discussion i think we do need to kind of start really get is not necessarily wrap it up for it now i do want to mention we've gone through most of like what will you mentioned in quite a bit more but um [noise] william you have some examples of some very good <unk> which is really great <unk> great <unk> awesome yeah and um [noise] some software i use um shoe box [noise] it's pretty good the the <unk> the ah two kids i think there's still has various tools for pretty much uh there's there's the there's a problem and that they can be a little bit muggy sometime and honestly i'm thinking too just writing the trees straight up in low tech yeah not not the way william does it writing the the uh the the <unk> and everything but just like using my um my little uh <unk> editor and and writing them out [noise] that was all your luggage they were discussing this before the show started is you know there's no really good dictionary writing software spreadsheets or appalling yeah um um if you're aiming at the sort of richness we'd been spending the entire is they're talking about [noise] they're not really well designed for that um they don't leave room for things like example multiple definitions i'm just not good at this um and i still think writing a dictionary in text in your favorite word processor or you know when your favorite web page to design tool or however you gonna present your language [noise] he's still probably frankly the best most flexible way to do it [noise] and i don't know what i mean we maybe don't want to hear that but i think that suitcase about it you know if you are listening into dear listener who has a whole bunch of programming experience sent a wealth of resources and nothing but time and goodwill er you know because i want to create something precaution layers uh lord are we in need i mean we we need something we need some <unk> software it would be awesome if there was a dictionary program that had let's say <unk> one one handle that was just uh uh lexical um entry system it can be customize so that you could have a different type or different languages are different types of languages [noise] uh for a just to like um my debts rocky dictionary might call a collie dictionary are completely different because it just makes sense to do it one way for one language in another way for another language and um and you know it would be great if there was just something simple so when you were adding the new <unk> you know there's just a one little window there i had a bunch of options you could add example sentences you could throw in references for example if you're creating um if you're doing translations for various things you could just have a spot where uh maybe you could even store translation in the same program that you can just throw in a reference and say this word get use in this translation pack maybe they're even automatically tax so it will search anything you translate and throw the attack back in electing for that you could click everywhere and just immediately bring up every sentence where the word is ever use [noise] you know you can give your own definition you can <unk> automatically generate um you know english <unk> english in various format uh it will do that for you um this is not written this tool i know and not only that you could throw intact you could throw in tax for like example just using a metaphor like you you just say like you know here's a guy metaphor for that's used and the language and and you can just start tagging entry and you could say oh you're a whole bunch of things that work within that metaphor awesome yeah we we need something like that [laughter] and then i think that william <unk> explain to you just exactly how cold it were if yeah it's pretty you know and and and david basically describe exactly almost exactly i mean he's added one extra bit that i hadn't thought of before but he's basically describe but i think the ideal system and that's why i've never tried to write it effectively you need a corpus management tool and a part of your dictionary renting to them i mean there are commercial products to do this but they are often terrible lord and if you what uh if you want money kick start it's uh yeah um well well they take a starter that there is for um for creating a dictionary rating system but i don't know how for it well you know we'll try you know we'll try <unk> linguists into thinking that this is actually for them uh and and you know <unk> er coffers uh uh and the ant turnout <unk> [laughter] honestly if you did right if you did targeted for what you described it would work equally will for all kinds of you know language documentation <unk> would love <unk> i think because if you've ever looked at the horrific did just the terror of the so shoe box format [noise] uh no i haven't looked at that much so i'm not even quite familiar with it but i'm not like the tax for dictionary [laughter] mm not really it's it's complicated did committed buggy anyway uh back to the dictionary that i love i love um david <unk> your <unk> your <unk> sorry <unk> dictionaries magnificent because of the injuries are nice nice in d._c. she gives the multiple meanings against plenty of example he gives you and getting back to this issue of the thirteen thousand french ribs all different mhm in their syntax partially because of how it works and what he was playing with money invested in language you really need to explain how which case means what yeah with your verbs and as part of your definition and he just did all of that and it's all there and it's wonderful i think it's an idea certainly none of mind languages um [laughter] i can say that i knew also has all these um uh these examples of idiomatic translations too because i <unk> i see <unk> <unk> ah <unk> case in any case anyway anyhow regardless but he has for example <unk> huh one at a time one by one that's something that from the base definition you would know they could be used that particular <unk> right right um <unk> that that that's very important to to have that kind of thing but you know a lot of calm line dictionaries don't go to the [noise] what uh what do we know what you used to write this one does i mean i'm looking over <unk> i <unk> anything special you know i have to get my hands and it looks fabulous it doesn't look right now [noise] um i think he has his own special for marrying microsoft or something uh oh i i would love to see the stars anyway um another dictionary uh david added for among e._r. e._r. e._r. we want the future and the future but we're <unk> yeah there there's there's so much more to that language and unfortunately it's all in written notebooks <unk> business by david belt family ah i really don't think we'll ever see it um but like that to that dictionary that's on his <unk> that's the that's in transferring its own dictionary to the <unk> um and he never got beyond a letter ay yeah [laughter] yeah it has is really awesome yeah it it's it's there's there's stuff in there that i think um like <unk> translators i think would be more interested in seeing which is um uh something that uh it's kind of something that's absent from the dust rocky dictionary but i've started at future dictionaries like i've i've started to add uh animal logical information um and i find it very useful and reminding me exactly where terms come from and then how exactly there you should be uh to limited uh future so because i mean a lot of these things in order to [noise] to really get that realistic lexical at and you have to bear in mind exactly where the word came from otherwise um you're gonna start using it in a way like you know if you if you're just looking at the definition you didn't start using in ways that only makes sense if you know in some other language and what other language and thinking in your head [noise] [noise] well um [noise] and then we have this one dictionary which is very attractive and actually uses the terrifying um she bucks format i don't know how to say the name of her language [laughter] um <unk> <unk> <unk> okay or um <unk> it doesn't matter [noise] all right um it it's it's a nice output and i think is a good uh i i [noise] it could be better in the sense of that could be more detailed but some of the injuries that are more detailed are very well done indeed so i think they're worth looking in she's got uh she she really and and and she's uh she's a brilliant ah she's a brilliant programmer code her her <unk> um oh gosh another dictionary i don't know why and put on their soviet <unk> she uh she did it entirely think p._h._p. where um everything is cross reference uh so any type of stand up here isn't any definition you can click on the stand and go to it's dictionary entry and also automatically references um online translation so you can click to see where um where the words have appeared in translation that she's done online and they also tied directly and she has she done <unk> uh <unk> uh or the day and treat for it uh [noise] i mean but if you're a programmer <unk> easy for you to come up with a tool that [noise] suits your language perfectly no right [laughter] but to generalize that is so so much harder right you know a language like novel <unk> compared to what language like chinese writers university dictionary that kind of comedy both of those and i don't know greek then you're doing pretty good yeah [laughter] yeah [laughter] um mm very different ah we don't actually want to say about it i mean we've got a few links that will be in the show notes to various tools the shoe box format we've mentioned a few times [noise] um some of these dictionaries that are great um there was a a workshop in some place in germany um um lexical psychology right which is sort of you know type home do you look for a dictionary and words um that had lots of interesting slide talking about all the issues we talked about today with a little bit more talking about some [noise] the grammar stuff but there's all sorts of interesting stuff just to to <unk> thinking now because you want to become [noise] electrical bipolar just [noise] [laughter] what what does that noise <unk> mean mhm oh that was me and uh that that's a noise i make when i think about becoming electrical psychologist instead and approving noise like donuts <unk> or is that uh [laughter] you know no <unk> that's the only thing that annoys me it doesn't have any other meanings [laughter] all right [noise] [laughter] [laughter] right [laughter] um are we done with this topic everybody's have any final thought before we move on i don't think so not me no i'm in i'm i haven't been into like i said earlier i'm how to too much experience with my uh [noise] let's see <unk> that's not how <unk> my favorite thing you've ever heard he silent do you have any crazy question [laughter] on [noise] um [noise] not really just hearing you know what you guys have been saying about your experiences and what has worked in hasn't worked and i've been uh taking notes over here and i i wish we contribute more have ideas um for making like for beefing up your <unk> [noise] the only thing i thought of that you know you got some really mentioned was just um you know sometimes taking the word like uh i think sometimes i look around the mercy of antibiotics and i'm more for men or something just daily and then when when mentioned um the word her pants i was thinking about this but um it's something that doesn't occur in your in your mind society i sometimes just go with maybe like driving it from as if it were alone word and then me <unk> seems it's the phonology doesn't matter i comment does um <unk> like japanese did a lot of western things that came into their their uh <unk> that's true um since i do <unk> along with my <unk> mhm i kind of don't even bother with things but uh my you know <unk> cultures wouldn't encounter so i don't have words for cars or anything 'cause i think it kind of a waste of time to do that 'cause i'm not going to use it to talk to monitor american oh how you use it mhm yeah i don't how using it yeah i like to use my home lines um in journals like personal journals user like online and i really like like i like doing it 'cause it looks pretty and it sounds pretty <unk> more a personal thing but i <unk> yeah but i used to talk to myself and everything that i see i've talked myself down here um so things like car or just i have i guess i do a pseudo camera lady in my head for language like this language comes from this kind of a people and maybe as if i were um as one time i started running a blonde about what am i <unk> i wear a feeling was going to this place and studying this language so no that's an awesome way to present it yeah that's what i was out doing that so so so great [laughter] ah that's that's that's pretty cool i thought oh rating i've thought of doing maybe just like sketches um uh i guess you could call them <unk> languages projected into the future and like come up with a story line um a field link <unk> in like a posting hilarity world were like he digitize his mind and his brain and has a loaded himself on to all these generation ships and observing how language is uh or changing overtime [noise] [laughter] that would be awesome like <unk> and he is just meant to discover that everybody is speaking english [laughter] oh [laughter] <unk> what other language with all the apostrophe [noise] [laughter] ah but the um so you know <unk> sometimes but ah yeah it's like you said it depends on what you're going to using it for if you're people will never see and my cousin lives there is not really a use for it and that kind of work [noise] so anyway if we're done with that topic [noise] speaking of a language where you would need a word for microwave murder featured on line it actually david uh baby well <unk> the the thing the the baby he was hired parades [noise] <unk> [noise] which is those rocky [noise] david wright oh you have explained this what what [noise] ah <unk> mainly you know you think it was like we stick <unk> nurse [laughter] sort of get another of it [laughter] [noise] [laughter] [noise] anyway so um so uh david [laughter] [noise] [noise] [noise] look at it a little bit okay so david i know that you've done this or [noise] maybe a thousand different interviews but can you explain a little bit where it's rocky comes from and you know <unk> the the process let you <unk> creating the language and sort of what your ideas behind it ah yes i'll do that in a hundred and forty characters um [laughter] [noise] no but ah all right so uh for those that don't read um uh fantasy and science fiction or uh h._b._o. which is so i think most people on the planet um chess rocky is say language spoken by eight fictional race uh these uh <unk> fellow that go about with swords thanks uh money fictional he's getting rich and i i should mention <unk> in case somebody is totally um totally naive to the leader these are not horse people these are human or sort of like <unk> they they're not yet i ride like horses they're they're like humans send to ours [laughter] [laughter] it's like a <unk> with the with the with the torso of human in the lakes have <unk> [laughter] <unk> [laughter] anyway they're just people <unk> other than faster [laughter] there's a series of books written by george or martin called a thong of ice and fire theory it's called first one was called a game up throw 'em in and it's there are these <unk> people that speak the language in the book there are several phrases and then a bunch of names that are supposed to come from the death rocky language but as it's written in english it simply use in english has its you know metal language language narration too uh kinda gloss over a lot of the conversation so you know you could er when you're writing you can say let's say you know <unk> y dizzy and death rocky and you can write that in english and that's fine um they created uh h._b._o. with with ah got the right to create a television series from a sign of ice and fire and the producers and had writers the guys who were put in charge of the uh <unk> um they uh were actually create and they were filming the pilot or riding a pilot and they realize that uh they uh that does rocky people in the show they they weren't going to have any yet ration of course so they would actually need to be speaking something [noise] um and and where did they actually tried to come up with some sort of just made up yeah kind of <unk> for them to speak and they were really dissatisfied the result so then they hired the uh labor <unk> society too actually flush out address rocky language there was a great big application process for about thirty people applied and uh took like two months my life that i will never have that that we're just kind of grueling uh men anyway at the end of it there are five <unk> among home or what the <unk> uh and we discussed and then also uh build well bill welding simona <unk> uh me and sharing well <unk> it's awesome and um <unk> it's surprising to me that uh he had that was in her because then there because [noise] the thing he's most quote unquote famous sport is uh <unk> which is totally different from <unk> the kind of thing but you <unk> [noise] well like i like uh uh yeah it's <unk> it's a skill that's completely separated from the language that some that somebody has created a jockey out of step standing color he he knows he he's got he's got that so yeah i obviously it will now <unk> that's what he's done but um he's a great naturalistic cod where um and also really good at coming up with the sound of something which obviously important to them uh anyway uh for for real or odd i eventually came out of the other end of that i've been working on the show ever <unk> <unk> okay now um as we are recording this [noise] shaun fortunately the wonderful fan created materials that just rocky <unk> we're we're not available to us because they're server correct [noise] yeah they they may be up they may be uh when you actually listen to their they they they're like two weeks [noise] so yeah yeah there there's a good chef it and if they're not at those rocky dot org than they will probably be i learned those rocky got caught link dot org ah and if that u._r._l. doesn't exist by the time that's errors then yeah so be it [laughter] yeah actually you can go there i will either that will either be wearing shorts rocky dot org is or we'll just redirect to death rocky doubt or i'll say that and then so yeah [laughter] hopefully hopefully by the time at this <unk> see they they put up an entire fan website and they have a really thorough dictionary of at least everything that's been uh it's not it's complete or as um kind of uh coddling user friendly it's my dictionary but it's got a lot of stuff up there and they uh paradise island and blah blah and see <unk> now um very ah very quickly let's get a little <unk> do a little bit more medic <unk> matter conversation now you're not actually allowed to release your dictionary and ah reference grammar or uh no i'm i'm kind of do whatever uh h._b._o. allows me to do and they're pretty lenient but at the same time they're still in the off chance that there could be a ageless rocky dictionary like actually published uh in which case it would not be who've made to release the whole thing because <unk> yeah they they obviously would want to make money off of anything so you're at a grade probably or have you <unk> <unk> and right the the iraqi dictionary for them yeah [noise] yeah so uh actually just ah to for those that are curious uh this has come up um and and uh but the the story right now is that um yeah the h._b._o. folks who are the ones that have to pursue that um haven't found any publisher that interested so why would you do have but you do have a blog <unk> dot com yeah right yeah you do uh a fair bit um sort of grammar discussions and different things about those rocky i noticed that while uh she's a <unk> throws is going down yeah you had a <unk> a block postpone every episode yeah and i try to i i put up all the uh [noise] all the dialogue that i could find a or that up here in the show but uh sometimes it didn't always match up but that's kinda the nature of the biggest i suppose [noise] [noise] [noise] mhm [noise] um you guys uh i'm i'm <unk> uh <unk> the show but uh [laughter] william <unk> what [laughter] what what questions [noise] well i wonder if they're going to be one other piece of information or some description of a system that is available and that is your presentation from language creation conference in two times and it was nine nine eleven no it was last year it was last year major that's the reason i was briefly confused because i'm looking you're slides and you get the day just made fourteen two thousand one [laughter] yeah wow [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] 'cause i'm sort of come lightning through time um [laughter] and it's in the world was so young women though <unk> okay right that's <unk> that's priceless i like all right oh i am actually debating whether i should fixed that and put up news slide because i think that's charming [laughter] [laughter] the main focus is how um sort of event structure in your verbs relates to your um [noise] <unk> system and how it relates to your question system or or the <unk> which i think is great most <unk> i see do not worry about this the only other one i know is again a coup now since that was his check for that was to really think through these [noise] so i mean what [noise] when did you decide okay i'm going to use the apple two for an ear result to uh [laughter] well it is actually my we're trying to describe basically what you were seeing with that 'cause it's kind of like organic so the the way it was done really through translation where um you know like things will come up or well i will need to translate something usually for the show and um basically it's the ideas you kinda have to get into the mind your speaker and think what makes sense [noise] based on the pattern that uh by the other like seeing that we have um and especially with case systems there's a lot of opportunities here uh shoo [noise] at least that case it themselves provide you with an opportunity to express a lot of things that you in a shorter amount of space [noise] then you could say in english um but even though we do kind of the same thing with repetitions um but the idea is um there is there is probably and um by the way the <unk> an excellent presentation for uh looking at precisely how this works is <unk> presentation from <unk> what yeah that'll be ought are are are you two <unk> two dot com slash <unk> i think that'll that'll get you there [noise] it it that discusses um at least that have good seats of what he disgusting paper that was on <unk> um everything named the same um but but he he kind of at least it's easier i think [noise] say here's somebody discuss it and go over it as opposed to just reading the paper [noise] um the idea is that these kittens usually start out with some sort of a bait kate some sort of a basic meaning but then the idea is that uh you've had him for and that the verb really heard that's a headset and it's usually the one that determine what it's dependence are doing right so what subjects is doing when it's object is doing and what is there anything else that i i and then obviously as you stay an outward it beat the connection you can let them let <unk> so you know <unk> it's going to categorize for yesterday right yeah at at an advantage time like that um you know it it's pretty much going out yeah something like that almost going to have the same you know in every contact the further you get out [noise] but um so with <unk> language since you have something that just attaches rights of the doubt or maybe influx of on a now [noise] and you can um use it without having to add any other verbiage then it's a verb it's not going to make use of a particular case mhm you have the opportunity to use that paid for it other role commonly associated with that for right and so that's what we're like you know with us or are you uh like for <unk> for uh for <unk> where um <unk> it's you know they nominated if some <unk> excuse me for the language the <unk> subject or asian and in a cute object [noise] the thing is getting <unk> getting cut but yes if something is not going to be only affected by that <unk> um rather than having to outlets verbiage like you know i uh i i doubt uh or like you know i cut the pineapple but only a little bit i didn't actually cut all the way through it i just cut into it a little bit of having to at all of that you have these other case role that you could just throw right in there um and so for for that um you see all it it there right uh yeah so it's like rather than for the cubans what's expected the all it it it's something that is not expected with <unk> and so basically what it does and hear this almost goes back to <unk> right where with christ with crisis conversational <unk> uh speakers have the understanding that they're being cooperative and so they expect a certain thing from a conversation [noise] if somebody says something that's counter wet expected they have to believe that the person talking to them is saying something relevant and so then it's up to them determine how it's relative <unk> the same thing happens with these were role where it's like you know somebody uses the <unk> <unk> and and using an object and doesn't have the accused of they're using the all it you have to assume that what they're doing is relevant that they're trying to get the information to you but that obviously it what they meant what they cut straight into something and it was completely cut into it it they wouldn't use the accused of it that this means something slightly different and so then it's up to the kind of this year it's quite that information but then of course at these things get <unk> and used everywhere then everybody just know oh yeah i mean you know you cut into something a little bit you didn't cut away for the news the all it and then that pattern it so can extend to other herbs that are similar um just in the way that they kind of work provided that that all it <unk> it's available to write to kind of the idea uh that's part of the fun of case language that's why you do case languages that's so cool [laughter] right right don't just have them to use them in their boring way i mean everyone knows what you know the apple to vindicate motion out of away from but there's plenty of other things that you can do with it um when i like about the slide you have your brother talk years i got to see that in work is sort of a systematic approach to using cases beyond the obvious meanings that we all learn from our latin textbooks right and you know what i'm saying as textbooks or whatever and and you know the other thing is that even descriptions of language that i think come down to us are kind of like linguistics description didn't come down to the same way we uh we are we are given these case descriptions that isn't this is what this case i mean <unk> this is what it means [noise] then you get to other perks and you're like in this case you use this case with us for uh there are like any other <unk> maybe you come up with these with the exception but um [noise] i mean what the information that they are giving is useful right in that there is a basic sense for all these cases [noise] but if you try to go backwards [noise] from the cave in to all these other instances that's where you running a problem where you see like uh <unk> you know any any number of cases between five and fifty seven [noise] [laughter] right [noise] where um you have cases where it's like this is the name of this kitten how it's used rather than how what other way might one [noise] what what other way like wine uh expressed concept [noise] given a finite cases rather they adding <unk> <unk> <unk> right yeah um i think it just makes me think of what i said earlier which is to a <unk> a very large degree words take their meeting from the company they keep i think we can <unk> yeah i think anything actually that suitcase mood to some extent aspect all those things where you know you have a broad category um grammatical inflection that has all the main things that language <unk> identified that basic definition does not have to be the end all be or it might be at the um what that cases used for that you know you have to have some reason to call the cage but me yeah yeah well not you know well <unk> be all sorts of secondary uses <unk> <unk> it may even be that you know cases actually use more for some very specific thing that poor poor meaning yeah um and actually i have a really nice example there's tons of examples from this book by by be but um oh which by the way i really should mention that i got this book um <unk> [noise] gosh now i i can't believe i can't remember what it but at the book from by the <unk> well i think it is i got it from <unk> uh periodically or at least uh not doing any more <unk> <unk> but uh um [noise] was um you just had like a whole bunch of linguistics but i think that um here's some books you want them to send me an email and this was one where it's like oh that sounds really cool and it was awesome anyway so [laughter] thank you <unk> yeah [noise] but um [noise] they have an example that i think it's really instructed to kind of looking at what kind of what goes wrong with i think some some <unk> so they were talking about how <unk> uh various types of <unk> that are used throughout languages um and one of the example they show the uh so there's no you you probably lots of people have heard of um [noise] uh it kind of immediate pastor general <unk> versus a narrative pastor historical paths like you know something happened and you know something happened ages ago [noise] uh l._a. which is another one is um the so called <unk> past mm which is yeah it's something that happens to a day or something that happened yesterday versus something that happened in the past that wasn't today or yesterday right and so it was just that amount of information right uh <unk> look at that like whoa their languages that have you know a special you know ethics that means you know earlier today one that means yesterday what why couldn't they also have one that was two days ago three at the airport is go five it's gotten thorough and it's like yeah theoretically a language could do that language can do whatever you can imagine they do but just by using that nomenclature it presents kind of a false idea about how the specific languages work because if you look at that it's not it's it you know say here's your stem men writes it means uh sleep and men i mean <unk> earlier today many <unk> yesterday and menu slipping <unk> not ever how it works like it's not ever how it works usually what happens is they didn't have that system at some time and how they had to kind of a completely different system that got using conventional lies way and so that way it used to be say any perfect uh became a <unk> yeah and then what <unk> what a perfect suddenly became that's not how old are your hobbies [noise] well uh [noise] you know it can tend we just wait and cat go upstairs and look at the stupid title no even they're even better internet internet alright on and say i will tell you there's gonna be typing that you hear it just sounds phenomenal on like these like drew book the theory oh yes very simple title the evolution of grammar <unk> that's the main title the evolution of grammar it's by <unk> review perkins and william <unk> uh the italian spelling and probably <unk> uh and then the subtitles tent aspect in <unk> the world out sandy <unk> outstanding but um <unk> iran or uh <unk> if you give me the link over <unk> but um <unk> getting back a little bit to <unk> and i kind of want to go a little bit i i know that this audience is gonna be more interested in your <unk> there any other audience you talk to probably right but i do kind of work to other than other than your <unk> distract you don't work [laughter] i guess but um [noise] i do want to talk a little bit about how we used 'em gave her throne because i know because like i recently was able to watch the first season 'cause i bought it on d._v._d. i know there's there's some awesome moments but people don't really talk about but interest me like that um for one thing um i knew that jason memos performance was great but because of the awesome speech that was on you to everywhere and everything right but there were other moments that when i actually watch the the stuff that you know the other like secondary those rocky <unk> do pretty well yeah um and i kind of want to play like captured a couple of little conversation wanted this awesome like could switching conversation between <unk> and i think it's real hard to um yeah her on the names of the [noise] uh yeah yeah i remember him <unk> okay let's uh let's listen to that real quick there's a lot of english than this but it's kind of uh an interesting way of using language so good with them for a <unk> [noise] with a man and flew flew <unk> [noise] the <unk> going to go through the steel [noise] schools [noise] design you sing [noise] sometimes people want to do [noise] um [noise] i mowed the make them on um bruce slow snow [noise] true [noise] for those who keeps them out alive [noise] have you done is around them on <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] another job maybe let junk on uh [noise] the <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] so i like that conversation because obviously it's still you know t._v. dialogue but it strikes me as very sort of a realistic sort of food switching situation were but they both know a little bit of each other languages <unk> enough to speak to each other but they're switching between them in a natural way um you know at one point uh <unk> rockford oh forget the word for <unk> to help them and all that sorry i was on there yeah [laughter] <unk> that was a a it was actually a uh a lot of one of my favorites uh little exchanges right there [laughter] and then after that you very comes in about a rabbit [laughter] oh yeah i i i also have um the <unk> were who is it the comes in is it eerie or the other <unk> yeah during you know um i i have that recorded too but the um but it is um i i just wanna see i liked that um what's that difficult to to translate did they like how did they write that uh [noise] who are you so that you could translate it uh first of all and miami which episode that was uh what can through my stuff i can't remember where it was uh episodes three three really oh that's cool okay right where you just ones that i've thought about that and i wanted to <unk> [laughter] <unk> [laughter] [noise] [noise] all right oh yeah this was something that was added ah that that's that's a big exchange that added weight i remember uh yeah um there was actually um okay we were <unk> right and there's that um that that same kind of grew [noise] the writer that so yeah i remember <unk> that that might have been saving dad ah here we are and there's that that about the rabbit and then they didn't <unk> that i don't think so [noise] [noise] right um [noise] they actually that could that seem first of all wasn't in the original version of the script but ah [laughter] so yeah that that thing was in the original version of the script so that was one of the things that was kinda like adage ah really late i think i was already done with most of the seasons were like oh what's that [noise] um but yes there were it was kind of like um [noise] i um i i in fact maybe and do i have it <unk> hold on one second [noise] no no no shit i don't i don't have the actual script life so um [noise] it was all done via email basically i didn't even see oh okay yeah so um they couldn't it kinda it was kind of a little back and forth about how best to do it and um and yeah i remember ah the fat to that first part uh so it's like one of the very first lines were chores to something like uh a good weapon or a <unk> yeah yeah yeah that was originally all in does rocky oh so i thought that was actually pretty cool 'cause it's like [noise] it's like real coats which is like he's just going in english but rather than saying that good weapon for adults rocky mhm he says what you would actually say index rocky which <unk> you know and and it's just kind of dropped that write an english i don't know it was really [noise] yeah [laughter] uh <unk> the word those were kind of i don't think appears <unk> books that something more than that you created right yeah that's the that's just the <unk> of yeah basically a <unk> threat so uh-huh and what that is what you would you if you were to translate that literally and in fact um let me see what that lie and yeah it's uh uh so the the flight it the ah <unk> <unk> <unk> and rather than saying that he said that's a good weapon for uh <unk> uh i don't know [laughter] yeah and um you see you here also a little bit of both of them have more in language <unk> actually it's in each other's uh language <unk> looks rocky you could <unk> very different from uh <unk> there's some very specific things like uh she has he can't do kona huh so he <unk> the those are good like you said like would you say may or soccer uh um um i find it interesting you actually provided some information on how to do <unk> <unk> <unk> oh yeah i wrote a whole thing um and did basically i think three different accents um so i gave them you know does rocky for english i'm sorry english for a death rocky speaker who really <unk> know english um and then i gave them a version of slightly improved at that and then somebody who was nearly clue it um and then you know given an m._p. three inch for all that i also um ah sometimes would record uh english slide so like if there was like a specifically in english <unk> gonna be <unk> i would record that wherever be english but i would do it in a <unk> but um yeah i <unk> he was outstanding you know like am i really liked it a shot yet <unk> look on now [noise] you know um i i <unk> ah just to ah just to show how good the the um those actors were um oh oh to the uh the next part of that scene which is eerie coming in and seeing the at least you want something other than <unk> so ah here we go [laughter] [noise] how does she run in africa montana [noise] then i <unk> <unk> <unk> what do you might you know [noise] <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> not change i know i don't think she wants to be so [noise] [laughter] i have to see this so bad [laughter] so you <unk> and both of them sound very natural in the way they speak and uh i don't know how accurate their speeches that you you'd have to speak to that but you know it's very ah fluids and it's very natural the <unk> the <unk> [noise] and of course it's funny that uh search or understand what they're saying it's like i don't think she likes dogs [laughter] yeah actually anytime you here either of them speaking so uh i'm going to touch audio or ah l. e. s. cable they're like ninety five percent they're really close and sometimes a hundred percent there there there are two of the best uh which is good because he had ever really did too fluent speakers that book the most outside uh i'm jason mum or who is also great [noise] um there was another guy who died in the first season um dar saline clay quote though i think it is he's really good huh [laughter] i i it's so sad when he died [laughter] you are you are working on the wrong show if you're going to be sad when people die uh you know oh man and they're killing up like those rocky speakers faster than they die in the books too [noise] i know [laughter] ah yeah well <unk> yeah well yeah it it is it is hard to to bad <unk> they they get it it it does feel kind of weird they get these amazing actors that are doing the rules very well and then they killed them all [laughter] you know that's how the books are too is that you know he really really great characters <unk> anybody could die every month [noise] um and uh yeah and you know just to remind you a little bit of <unk> i already played his entire big long speech <unk> or <unk> at the movies episode upset fifty two oh i'm not going to play that here but just to remind you he actually contribute a little bit too does rocky so early that attract you wedding uh there's a fight breaks out and he's looking on drinking from his word and looking at least the [noise] [noise] [laughter] i think i remember a block posed where you've figured out that that may have actually come from the uh the hot yeah from the the the <unk> <unk> from new zealand <unk> eat they walk them or something yeah jason <unk> even even if he borrowed it from somewhere else he's he's obviously <unk> internal <unk> a large degree because he adapted to sound like those rocky it <unk> it's not <unk> it's <unk> yeah those those rocky doesn't have initially w yes yeah so i actually um that that now means something in depth rocky and i are you a little differently <unk> right uh that [laughter] that was the first mystery that was kind of like i think that may have been the first us rocky i ever hurt in the show [laughter] [laughter] so um but they wasn't going to be subtitles so i thought oh whatever i don't have to deal with that right now but um [noise] [laughter] yeah yeah you gotta create accent but so what i eventually did with that so looking at that fight at uh like what can be saying there and so i had i had to to to slice it up by the way there's another one bowl longest ever <unk> just rocky lie what's from the last episode the finale of uh season too and uh my next block but you gonna be about that by the time you hear that that probably already be up so um if you're listening you can go look at it for everybody would seem right now on our cat you know wait a fetus [noise] um [noise] but um so i what i figured out with that it could be um with the <unk> you know with the uh with the um um start with the stress pattern it was probably <unk> you know i could get away with it being a command so the first part would be a command and the second part would be a now and the second now with uh likely the ah it could i i thought it could end with an h and that would that's what would give it it's worth final stress and so that i thought okay commanding them and then some now what could that be and then for some reason i had mortal combat on the brain and so i was saying the same thing and yet yeah so basically what he actually said something like test year my [noise] so i eat eat eat day okay hold on let me see oh actually fight and here they let okay so no not that uh okay so we have this word um east which means that something is been tested and therefore it's worthy um so <unk> it's a herb that needs to be high quality that if somebody is tested it and therefore it's quality [noise] um so then when you caught <unk> that ah if something starts with a vowel what you do it you <unk> the first continent it's cluster then usually stop takes over [noise] so the her <unk> become <unk> <unk> and that's kind of like to put to the test or to to prove quality through some sort of trial and then the uh command form of that would be and then with um [noise] i i basically just going to words i i really liked the idea of <unk> well one of the things that always comes up and they always like you always want neat and if you're going to do like a language for television show you always need cuss words and you always end up meeting to come up with words that really somehow <unk> to kind of like a two day christian world view even that they should [noise] right so you need words for goes spirit hell heaven and <unk> [noise] but it's like you you have to come up with translations from <unk> do something for it so anyway i i kind of divided the dust rocky spirit <unk> too so there are um yeah there is the the l._a. there's the spirit that get left behind that somebody that uh because they came up with this idea that in order for somebody to join the other writers in the night lent their body needs to be burnt their body's not burned and it's just kind of left out for the <unk> then that spirit doesn't get to go yeah uh <unk> basically <unk> remain thought or at a lady that's one and then there's the other one the the <unk> that sort of came for just his coin itch and it kind of like it's not one actual like spirits soul ghost if you will but it's like a combination of one kind of physical ability <unk> mental <unk> and cut up like one i guess like metal in english and meet u._c._l._a. yeah that's kinda like that and so he's telling them this you know [noise] <unk> yeah <unk> <unk> [laughter] [laughter] uh [laughter] at all came from him <unk> more work for this one from the last episode <unk> basically the last <unk> you're in the show which comes from ah in glen was entirely add lip but <unk> but it has a specific me as well unlike this one that uh chasing the lord that it has a specific meaning which is not even close to hollywood translated endless rocky um but but yeah so i i had to i had to do some fancy but work for their story behind it you'll you'll see [laughter] but um but yeah so yeah yeah this one did eventually i i forget it was on um okay so i joined that the the thing for c._n._n. <unk> and then they had <unk> and somebody wrote a comment on one of those <unk> that said that that thing you know the <unk> it it came from the <unk> from mallory i'm like what and so i looked at uh and it's like yes it did it means um and it's funny i should have looked at if if i could have looked at <unk> at bell i would've been able to figure that out because um you can you can look at what it would be in hawaii and and you know <unk> <unk> it's just a single word that letter i. e. it means it means to an all summer strict object in pretty much all throughout pollination and an day is the equivalent to k. in hawaii and what should the uh definite article and walk i is um not worry for uh canoe and means to the canoe but it's a kind of [laughter] so uh [laughter] that's funny that's funny that's the only ones that were put 'em in the canoe or something [laughter] <unk> [laughter] those work you don't have <unk> exactly yeah so so wonderful [laughter] yeah so that's what i came from like i was so delighted to know where that came from 'cause i thought he was kind of <unk> but now it came from somewhere and that's where it came from and now it's all put to rest [laughter] well but at least he knew he he asked those rocky enough that he adopted which was really awesome oh you do you <unk> well anyway so i think we uh do need to kind of <unk> the the the the circuit discussion but hopefully by the time this comes out we you will be able to look at like the fan made grammar of the iraqi and all the dictionary and everything uh so uh uh they asked i'm actually <unk> <unk> i know the show going on but i have to question [noise] ah first in the presentation you gave last year in reno mhm uh you said that there were three thousand and thirty four words yeah he's has the next season completely exploded that er was the next season already done mostly when you gave his presentation last year uh i mean how big is the dictionary now i get when i met uh uh uh thirty four hundred and thirty seven words i really slow down and my my quaint inches but uh uh um but the thing was i i actually per season too most of the stuff i didn't need words for um which by the way it was wonderful uh it it it's so difficult it like translate on the fly and have to at the same time [noise] go through the entire process of quitting realistic you know uh working like rather uh uh anyway so yeah it's i i <unk> i'd made the pool claim that debts rocky would be like five thousand words strong by the end of the year i'm not sure i'm going to hit that [noise] [laughter] i i just got a whole bunch of other language products that are now bombarding me but i'm i'm still going in a way i'll get there [laughter] [laughter] okay and then the <unk> the the next question is much like with nazi and not just because they ended up on the same server uh a lot of the initial were [noise] and is sort of a fan effort both you collect a dictionary and to decipher somehow the grammar um based on what they're seeing the show in little tidbits that you really think [noise] um i mean can you talk just a little bit about that i mean how <unk> people doing i mean some people for the project we're very linguistically sophisticated and i mean obviously some people were not we had uh a few sort of linguistic superstars doing really good job of sort of decipher in grammar we'd never seen before mhm [noise] so but what is that sort of experience been like ah i think that um especially the uh the the court for hockey fans i have uh you know <unk> from finland and ah then areas from the bay area and uh uh uh tim from reno they're <unk> they're they they actually have varying degrees of of linguistic ability but uh they're getting pretty good with it um [noise] <unk> it's especially i i think uh <unk> pretty good uh translation um it's one of those things where there were it was actually kind of frustrating for them at first because you know i went to a lot of work do you make sure that this was the naturalistic language um and they would be really frustrated every time there were exceptions uh any time they were regularity anytime up like uh like well that doesn't work that way like [noise] why [laughter] [noise] sorry [laughter] yeah it is it's interesting 'cause the same thing happened and not be such a degree that as we learned more of a language and more sort of weirdness isn't irregularities came seeping out like people left there's this idea that somehow language ought to be simple and straightforward and pure especially if you're going to make a new one [noise] um so it was it wasn't interesting to me to see the resistance right we've always study languages in school there are others weirdness i don't know why we would expect a fictional <unk> not all of a sudden [laughter] yeah well i think it's because a lot of people that are coming to languages for the very first time or coming to <unk> very first time through a program like game thrown or through movie like um uh <unk> uh they are going through all of the very same questions that that people come to calling him for the first time or going through where it's like well oh if a language can do that than it should do this or um <unk> wait a minute if i'm creating a language that i can make it so that <unk> <unk> exactly the same and they're never regular uh like um [noise] it takes i think it takes a lot of knowledge ah and understanding of the history of hell <unk> on the part of somebody's coming to it from the first time to understand why it would be value to try to create a language that would share to look like a natural language that's not something that's going to come straight off that um and so you know at the very same time they're thinking to themselves oh you mean we can make a language that's regular exactly that moment they're being a <unk> a language sure like guarantee regularity and isn't that cool it's languages so natural there's just like you know clashing if world there that um i think would almost feel like a bit trail [noise] like they they just made this really great discovery about how language can be simple and here you are giving them uh they're very first language that somebody could create it not simple and it's like it almost feels like a betrayal or even perhaps like an sophisticated it's like oh well don't you realize that could just be regularly [laughter] [noise] yeah exactly that's that's a reaction it's like why would you do that but um but yeah i uh uh what can i <unk> i think we all <unk> probably is one of our first language is create something that was a little uh philosophical maybe <unk> well i don't know i know that um very early version uh i <unk> when it was still cold <unk> <unk> um mhm uh it was uh i had stuff like um very philosophical reasons for choosing different genders and uh you know of course it was completely regular for a long time and things like that and so you know it mhm player i guess but it it makes sense that they're going through the same stages in ireland spare and yeah it's it's [laughter] you know it's something that it's going to subside uh the more people know about <unk> in general and they're going to get that through these big production side i mean that's how people are gonna hear about it but little by little f. it becomes less extraordinary and more common place uh the issues are going to slowly but surely sleep out [noise] it's gonna take like half a century but eventually it'll happen mhm or at least that i i i i went online to explode <unk> listeners but i don't [laughter] alright so those are my two questions thank you for letting me make the show even longer [laughter] okay or are we are done my <unk> [noise] i was just like this whole time <unk> really really quiet but i'm [noise] i'm still i'm i'm almost be a little bit of a listener and when i hear something great you know i mean i'm on my mind is blown i <unk> i'm talking to a superstar [noise] um [noise] but i also i haven't seen game affirm so a lot of this i'm like <unk> like solid eight over here i'm like oh my gosh the delicious chocolate velvet cake <unk> online i'm just wanna oh my god mainly but as far as question go [noise] um no i'm i'm just i'm uh in uh and i feel like i'm it's christmas i feel like so [laughter] well i really would like to talk more about uh those rocky it's really fun to talked with david but i think i'm going to move on we got to really quick feedback and men will will be will be wrapping up the show so ah really quickly uh we got two different thing to to emails one is <unk> and he <unk> he says i thought i would tell you about the recent hunt language e. british growing ah we're still somewhat small but we're working on coming a great source of harm i get rich and so he linked to this new hotline dot <unk> dot com uh-huh so we he [laughter] leaving tacoma yours to try to make that decision [laughter] maybe somehow [noise] uh uh i'm doing pretty good i don't know we have like several different we <unk> my mother <unk> okay yeah i can i read i wish they were the show or why why did we really need another one but i don't know which he p._t._o. format it so but my <unk> man that's cool but look you're you're you're the host of the show so please take neutral point of view i'm going to poison unpopular opinion here i i mean it's really cool yeah yeah you started a quickie it's great that information is a kind of proliferating belly spaces but war i i wish wish we'd have one <unk> you know <unk> one fourth i mean it's a it's a weekly anybody can add to it [noise] you know you're in need more than one but i i'm sure it's nice if it is like straight up <unk> that's probably better than <unk> but you know [noise] whatever [noise] um [noise] this is probably just me being an old timer and remembering the days when literally everybody knew everybody who had anything to do with coddling on the internet if there was something on the internet or you do them by first name you know everything about them and it's so impossible now and um maybe that's just a little bit my soul dying but uh that's all right uh i uh i will i will 'cause it the way she and i will yeah correct correct your punctuation like [laughter] i know but well i i will say uh you know b. j. p. u. r. uh the president of the uh b. l. c. s. and we always see us as a <unk> or <unk> or one flag whether they like [laughter] that was my that was my personal opinion that wasn't my [laughter] that wasn't my <unk> ah credit undeveloped <unk> opinion as president developed yeah i'll say if you ever want to do a a community project like that and um i please don't spend your own money on it we can give you free <unk> much as you want a limited space unlimited bandwidth like please make use of us um we're just here to help um yeah i'm like you know if you're if you're actually paying money to to host the <unk> like we can give it to free but <unk> i think it's the same software that <unk> so so if you like your software better maybe that's a reason to state but i don't know just start out now and i'm full disclosure i was i was joking with the there but i'm on the border directors of the <unk> yeah and ah william is a member and [noise] the the site ah the congress site is hosted on uh <unk> dot org [noise] uh no but um yeah so even you know <unk> not really directly affiliated with <unk> we're we're all connected mhm sponsored but yeah <unk> really we <unk> we don't buy just want to help [noise] let us [laughter] as far as me i'm not <unk> i'm hooked in yet but i'm i'm <unk> ah yes i'm sure we'll we'll be sooner or later [laughter] but i'm still i'm still working off no books and papers and binders here so i'm trying to up to the web and work with that oh yeah they're any teachers listening completely off topic but if they are any teachers listening [noise] i think it's so imperative that starting elementary school kids start learning at the very least some basic h._t._m._l. i mean we're headed in that direction by the time you're twenty something you have to be able to do any uh beyond face but you were doing a survey and children by not teaching them they need it <unk> that's another one of my uh popular in there you go <unk> bird you live with them [laughter] we were talking about earlier the ways to a store a um a dictionary i'm i'm one of the ones who are like when you talk she wants to actually have a shoe box with cards in it [noise] uh for [laughter] so i just have to find somewhere to place it and give it a nice little home <unk> another nice then they'll have something to put in a museum when we go back to back you know [laughter] um [noise] anyway um and we got also another email which was literally just a link mhm james here uh that uh it's uh online lunchtime generator <unk> randomly generated took two hundred words i'm not sure this is really better than anything more than just like what you could do with um the other random we're generators <unk> ah one that everybody uses i used to but i i used to use one that i think spend down didn't democracy without awkward one and i use i did i i haven't used it recently so i i use one that was created by <unk> brand young right now no one is josh birds that only works on file maker pro for the mac and it is awesome yeah but it's only mine [laughter] [noise] or if you if you if you happen to have file maker pro on the gimme uh sent me an email i'll send it to you god and credible not common lucky i'm generator i think it's as a buck fifty so yeah on the <unk> price one dollar fifty seven [noise] ah well maybe maybe we should <unk> one of us should try that out and do a review of it mhm i mean it's cheap but it's paying money for it but um [noise] uh <unk> uh and we'll have to see what what it works on but uh i don't know [noise] somebody promoting their little i mean does it have to that at least have the ability to add historical sound changing sounds interesting because if not uh that would be a great thing to have enough we're generator wouldn't it well that's what i that's what i have an <unk> young thing i'm sorry <unk> you do oh i can automatically apply son changes to your roots yeah so <unk> they're ordered with respect one another you can check to make sure you have many mistakes awesome awesome yeah ten you uh now can you automatically generate more yeah <unk> <unk> yes <unk> wait what grammatical dramatic reform like <unk> does it automatically generate like south texas where are you like what are you talking about like <unk> like <unk> give me <unk> and it gives it to you [laughter] well i mean like can you define success and have it like do sound treated along the <unk> oh no no that would not well <unk> <unk> that would be awesome as well but then i just didn't put them by hand myself you know to create merit solve it <unk> it would uh [noise] yeah [noise] um [noise] with that noise [laughter] okay but anyway i think we can wrap this up uh david you already give your find words wisdom or do you want want to give something special for for us at the end of the show here uh special words of wisdom would be [noise] ah i i guess i think the the overall message that i want that don't let your framework define what you do for the or the or the come up with [noise] not not [noise] and williams i can't beat that i'm just going to show [noise] fine um i would [noise] third his motion <unk> awesome and just uh just try to things in the same as always plush offices and they [noise] <unk> <unk> you have been listening to <unk> you can find the <unk> all previous offices at <unk> dot com including links to our feet or go online and a few resources you make sense of today's topic you also find links to subscribe to us on high to <unk> to work toward her face book and google plus pages and a whole lot more questions common some suggestions may be sent to <unk> dot com you can also submit those translated greetings we played the <unk> display in our head er fleecy contribute paid for details [noise] thanks for listening [noise] yeah so um the book [noise] yeah that's cool man [noise] feel like i'd wait what am i don't <unk> i felt like i flip while i was running a marathon [noise] there we go [noise] you're my cat yeah alright what's going on right now is that uh uh my wife is filling up about to [noise] i don't know uh you know it's off in the distance but [noise] your whole [noise] at one point in time it will have to and then way or another [laughter] periodical i er i would have a photo for on the on the comic probably one day but then um [noise] one of my two fans there i think he got a little bit too excited when photos of her would come up so i kinda stopped doing that yeah [laughter] that's terrible but yeah i was uh i was not impressed by the movie but my goodness i impressed by michael fast vendor she is remarkably creepy android [laughter] i went and saw um [noise] well let's see uh men in black say [noise] i learned guessing they're no <unk> not really i mean this this <unk> kind of supposedly talked with a ton of heart but it's just like basically the <unk> not really a language but it's another incident non english sound effect language <unk> well i recently saw the entire run of ah firefly oh i'm sure it on the chinese is not as bad as i remembered that because i could actually make out in a few things like <unk> like <unk> and <unk> and all that kind of stuff but when they just like go often chinese i don't understand what they're saying [laughter] [noise] so is everybody seemed dude where's my car [noise] on um [laughter] oh there's uh there's there's one instance than there were a guy says the other end cantonese guy you guys are really <unk> last night which uh apparently means the garbage can er trash can um [laughter] my my my friend who speak cantonese ah he was reasoning that perhaps they were trying to say wasted raffle ooh ooh [laughter] but ah no no garbage can yeah i'd like to learn some cantonese i i only know like a couple you know phrases like you pick up like one time because i was going to visit they ah friend in hong kong someone taught me the phrase <unk> <unk> would probably pronouncing room which means uh roughly like you're even more beautiful last time i saw you or something [laughter] [laughter] that's that's a good opener [noise] one thing ah kind of funny happens me when i'll come back from virginia from last weekend [noise] um i got stopped by airport security and they tested my blue snowball michael home for a bomb [laughter] [laughter] <unk> <unk> is it okay there's a microphone there's looking is fine and so i'm like really and i take it out it was like whoa what's not only with my son's <unk> i'm actually the strange voices david <unk> peterson [laughter] oh i live in meet your thoughts run or do you ever not hear the last time we had to leave it on that is correct but we're not be people's like they have their own server <unk> actually a physical device and against raking does not keep breaking this is the <unk> the second time well the second time short order so it's i considered the same of and not be [laughter] what'd you say any way we want to be free of your grass [laughter] right [noise] he he want he thinks uh both rocky dot org should be <unk> um <unk> l._t._s. server like host gator i didn't go skater green gigs and dream most are the three big ones right now though i think go daddy does hosting too but lord stay away from those people <unk> yes i moved on my go daddy domains overtime over those it goes out of your goat daddy go daddy oh 'cause <unk> don't do much don't go daddy they're idiots oh my god but i'm looking at <unk> dot com [laughter] probably looking at something you wanted to see uh this is actually disappointing goats daddy dot com this pages parked free courtesy um go daddy dot com [noise] the worst [laughter] or something like <unk> that sounds like an interesting side does and i know when it domain registrar supports stuff like <unk> you know there's something wrong with them mhm what's the deal with that we do you know for all these people that in common you community they claimed to be like techie and programmers where the hell <unk> software [laughter] ah david now you've been on my show uh twice yeah i know what you see if you could get me on language made difficult [noise] oh that's right no that's a good idea oh my goodness i didn't even think about it i'm sorry i you know i uh we you know it's it's intended to be a humorous part cat so i always try to think about getting um um funny people are not that you're not funny [laughter] uh yeah like yeah um well i don't i'm not as funny as some others but you never know but i i never thought <unk> no that's a great idea that's a great idea [laughter] so um i'm sorry i i just that it will happen anyway

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Conlangery Podcast/Conlangery 56 Growing a Lexicon (last edited 2017-09-07 23:16:45 by TranscriBot)