Conlangery #57: Animacy and Agency

Conlangery #57: Animacy and Agency

Published: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 04:00:00 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 among the uh public <unk> <unk> okay you fish and then just [noise] welcome to congress <unk> languages too people rip them i'm <unk> with me in the great state of wisconsin we have william and hello and in new jersey we might flint scheming in his office crying true boy uh giving us too much noise from the stupid air conditioning hello and yet that's all true it's ninety seven blistering degrees here so yeah uh yeah that's that's that's that's fine it's it's it's amazing the trouble noise now people on the uh on the part that may not actually scared because i may be able to remove it but well <unk> <unk> <unk> you mentioned that yeah right it's just been quiet no one would know oh well go ahead and other news i we were talking before my <unk> i just got my <unk> uh <unk> closer but i'm gonna have to find an apartment or and all sorts of stuff but at the time you get the hot chest i may have had have more stuffed sorted out but you know at the moment i have a financial aid reward that covers my tuition right and i need to figure out how you where to live and how to pay for a living so that's going to be an adventure right venture alright so <unk> you're listening to you do did intro so many tiring and you know the park asked about constructed languages and the people who invented and we've never done an episode like what are your favorite mix drink [laughter] what do you <unk> like for breakfast [noise] the person on on line right not really about the people who <unk> i mean i mean we bring people on the <unk> let them talk but it just sometimes i wonder what what you're talking about i mean the guy <unk> symbolic okay he's crazy [laughter] [noise] i think so the original tight line for the show was uh the <unk> like <unk> or i i i guess i could say i <unk> like that but that is too short for me okay so i just like at it that people who create them out of the blue and we make <unk> a list of their favorite albums or music to invent languages [laughter] do you have a <unk> mix tape or if i'm mixed up any more but [noise] um [noise] do you have like a <unk> like con line music like sure sure yeah well that's i'm asking about i i don't know i i can be listening to anything but i use my study my study <unk> which is all extra metal music because obviously when you're <unk> if you have linguistic input while you're trying to do grammar i mean i have been caught lying while listening to project but it seems it's a little weird to do [noise] [noise] oh it is although my language sound like a turkish top singer [laughter] called his language tar calm and be done with it [laughter] okay why we have been uh digressing far enough why don't we actually get into our main topic yeah okay we are talking today about a very interesting <unk> a very interesting topic we've touched on this many many times because it affects so many things in grammar but they kind of deserved its own episode mainly because we don't see much of this uh i don't think we should be a lot of this um coming to the poor hotlines and i think it's because um like english doesn't do this well [noise] [noise] <unk> does it but not in white most of us are have been made sensitive so yeah not not in very obvious ways but we're talking about intimacy agency now where do you why don't you define these terms worse because i mean i think everybody will who's been listening to the park yes well no <unk> and um it is but just in case uh it it's actually kinda weird so we <unk> we always hear about intimacy hierarchy but really it sort of both animals see an agency and some metaphorical extensions all climbed into one continual yeah the meaning of the word is trust [noise] quite a lot um so i mean my favorite example of course there's always the the <unk> intimacy iraqi which has people in lightening at the top mhm and you know non physical abstraction at the bottom [noise] um and that sort of makes sense right people are and <unk> you know <unk> section of justice is not [laughter] um but the range of things in between that it's quite complex such that you know a moving body of water comes as more intimate <unk> [laughter] yeah i'm not either of those things are and and it's strictly speaking but the edition of motion he's taken as a metaphorical extension of energy and more to the point agency right so in philosophical turns agency is the power of an entity to accomplish things that he wants to accomplish yeah i think we can kind of say um for both of them and i'm a c. is sort of very abstract lead the amount of control something has over its own destiny [noise] which is really complicated well maybe that's sort of a philosophical definition an issue so you got intimacy an agency bundles together in what <unk> call an intimacy hierarchy [noise] um i i ran across one paper where somebody called it the empathy hierarchy which in some ways does a better job because very often you're pronoun fit into your enemies the iraqis as well oh okay so um uh by the way you're being really heavily down sample but anyway uh um i'm hearing that and mike has gone off line so we're having some sky pro okay no no no i'm here okay we're no i mean yeah i was typing a actually i was gonna say the audio colleges plummeted but i didn't know if ah that was just me i'm hard wired and <unk> like no i think it's okay oh you're coming back okay it's improved anyway i'm eric hi anyway so the empathy hierarchy you're pronouns involved and then you know human nature owns in than than non human but living in <unk> i always thought that pronoun fit more into an agency higher in that kind of cruise everything for a loop because the the animosity hierarchy and the agency <unk> now that they they are i think i think what what i would think of the agency is the st louis most likely to be a trance this subject right yeah right that's very <unk> and that's why calling in it and if the hierarchy always creeps me out a little bit because very often human infant count as lower [laughter] i'm a scale than adults but they're still intimate right but then when you think about ad agency that starts to make a little bit more sensitive as a bit less alarming yeah they're well they're not they're human interest but uh it depends on what age they are when they're when they're newborn like fake fake <unk> really have that much more than an automatic reaction [laughter] yeah yeah they're they're not doing much themselves anyway so the point is that we can call this an <unk> agency harvard m._i._t. hierarchy the point is once you've got one whole bunch of things that kind of intuitively see quite different mhm on one level but sort of metaphorical we all come together um and that's very common so i just wanted to make that point before we move on and talking about some of these hierarchies okay so let's let's actually now that we've certainly confused or audience let's let's uh go further into talking about how the <unk> [noise] um okay uh i guess to sort of refinement i'd like to add before we do that is [noise] in a good number of languages mountains for human beings operate slightly differently than the names of human being oh named individuals' bob you typically going to be slightly higher up the hierarchy scale than the man [noise] now that you keep in mind when you're talking about how these compare in terms of uh hierarchy in terms of an embassy ratings so to speak [noise] um is this by comparing them <unk> across the line was seeing how italians back against each other across the spectrum like how do you compare the embassy of the members [noise] in some sense that language specific i mean not all they did make the distinction in their grammar um in you can you can make they claimed that in some australian languages something very much like this and it was the hierarchy determines you're verbal language oh okay and in some languages mountains for people behave differently than proper names for people [noise] this makes sense actually from like a cognitive standpoint i think yeah when you stick to <unk> somebody that it's um i guess it's less abstract then referring to somebody by a generic we're right that's right and and it's it's also mentioned how <unk> get involved in this as well somebody whose name you're mentioning is more <unk> more um [noise] what's that were there more identified mhm so it makes sense i mean think of standard sort of storytelling in most fiction uh the main characters are more important to the story them any on me uh individual but that happens to be in the seat does store keeper we don't care much about <unk> [noise] but right stop being cheap we know yeah i had some important yeah um and then the last thing i want to mention is that there are lots of languages in the world that only have what gets called intimacy and intimacy as grammatical gender and it's important to know that grammatical intimacy that act like gender is probably going to act differently than semantic enemies c. which is mostly what we're talking about here so my favorite example but i always bring for that and the black foot language only eight semantics <unk> it'd be the subject of transmit <unk> you cannot ever say nice cut the bread you have to say someone cut the brand <unk> oh so grammatical used them <unk> <unk> the way it is and badly form sentence if you make an inanimate objects subject trends river [noise] oh that's interesting huh so i like the idea [laughter] so how do they do like um well i guess like things like it's raining they might just do it like that something similar what rain is not what they mean <unk> we don't run into this problem so system [noise] so the the true true not to be political ones the the <unk> done don't people people <unk> people in in blackfoot you can't even say guns kill people nope [laughter] you always by today's someone killed someone with a gun [noise] my other hanky panky that black with verbs do where things that are formally in trenton to me would be considered transit by most people's standards i mean we don't need to get into that i just want to point out we're talking about the <unk> for the rest of the show we we're not talking about uh gender system where i am i mean yeah i think that might be more or less fit semantic league but often do you not perfect me you know that that makes sense i think you you said in our uh gender show that sometimes semantics and inanimate gain a intimate gender and in those languages yes bible not who actually by virtue of being culturally important yeah but that wouldn't affect their place on the higher that make no um i think it's important to do that because for one thing you're intimacy hierarchy is not animate inanimate you don't <unk> uh and especially if you spent the agency hierarchy um actually this is a point that you have on your notes william ah you have i think it's very often like first perjury pronoun <unk> third britain are now <unk> and then it goes into like adult human or uh children animal <unk> varies from language language yeah but generally you have adult humans at the top sometime adult male humans [laughter] so it and and it's not <unk> thing it's it's you know humans animal planet or all sorts of that we're we'll let let's use this to segue into this list of things i have that are sensitive to m._c. hierarchies [noise] one of the first ones that i ran across in researching his show which i hadn't appreciated before [noise] is that where you're language will <unk> <unk> i mean some languages are happy to <unk> everything but bernard <unk> whose name shows up everywhere he's a grand opening was um in nineteen eighty one came up with a uh a paper on the plural marking hierarchy and it goes speaker so first person pronoun speech act participant so that's the uh second or third person pronoun human animal individual object like a tree math you know like uh say on a plate and an abstract entity mhm so the idea is if you have a forum for animals then you expect throw forms for humans <unk> pronouns but not necessarily anything further down right if you have a plural for places then you're going to have it for for everything except abstract entity possibly huh right so this is just one example of how things might be split from language to language the nature of that split and how detailed is may be different [noise] [noise] oh mm you both seems surprised by that well i'm just thinking oh um i'm trying to figure out where <unk> um for the <unk> we definitely have like for place would that be like um [noise] like museum but that's even could be a a thing right like an individual like like uh [noise] like a building you know or a city okay <unk> yeah and it was would be weird i said like i went over to <unk> the boston or the art i [noise] right but then for a <unk> he's in english um he came to know all the happiness of being a parent i don't know if that sounds weird to me um yet but [noise] permitted in english because we sometimes talk about methods mhm no <unk> uh-huh some some words are i mean it methodist not quite in abstraction i'm certainly certain kinds of cultures theory um academics we'll talk about all sorts don't let her watch everything [laughter] yeah yeah okay um i i think it makes sense that sort of uh <unk> you get bombed the last place in the list because i mean how many times do you really talk about though more than one abstract you that that plane <unk> right right it's not something that comes up in in uh in conversation and and you're hanging out <unk> english department of <unk> the average american college [laughter] yeah that's true um all this makes sense to me um especially you know you're up at the top <unk> speaker and then we check <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> but that makes a lot of sense to me and it makes and uh it it's a bit pointed out in that big which has lost the plural you for that now i now basically like bombers any english dialect you you fine they're just trying to to create one a rural you out of something because it's so that for some reason that's important to us oh who have ah <unk> know if you're talking to one or many people oh you guys someone and so forth yeah u._n.'s yeah you wouldn't strike you're [laughter] you're <unk> you're all right so you guys and sunny <unk> <unk> 'cause actually start picking it up to like you guys [laughter] oh [laughter] ah but anyway um and and i wanna say again that's hierarchy i dave candy broken so for example in classical not <unk> humans and animals are typically the only thing that gets <unk> but then a few other things like the <unk> you know for some reason celestial objects get promoted or some <unk> you get promoted and and you know they're very sweet and that might happen so people i mean i whenever i think human in these hierarchy depending on your culture that will probably include gods and spirits and demons and all that mhm yeah you got in spirit um generally end up in a human class generally not considered like anything more than human and that may not may have ah some implication on how we really actually <unk> ah or how we actually construct or or <unk> spirits and everything in in religion or something but i don't really wanna get into that but you know <unk> [noise] also i mean going the other direction um certainly the gods and spirits are considered the humans and also you know <unk> um like not be morbid but when someone has passed away don't for them it's you know i also they don't become an object without where you only put oh you know it's just that it stays in the human known regardless of whether it's uh you know actually i live in human being right right that's that's an interesting thing [noise] 'cause you would think like a court would lose and mushy well the <unk> but the person that that corpse used to be so <unk> yeah i mean that's that's true you when you talk about the person then you then it's more than if you now about the object of the <unk> i think you can use it apart yeah i'm going back to what you were talking about with ah named with them proper announce i'm more m. c. in common now [noise] might not be a little bit and english we're if we're talking about <unk> that we have we you've heard of it more as he <unk> he or she but it was just an animal we <unk> we typically less uh <unk> those are less intimate you know honestly i don't know if that linguistic pressure or just changing how americans in particular interact with your pets [noise] yeah well it it depends um upper cultures do this to um you had a note about spanish mike but i know in spanish uh for pets you can break the grammatical gender of the animal so like uh cats got bill b. fault masculine mhm however if you have a female fat [noise] a lot of people who have a female cat called i got you know even if it's male even at the male cat no it's a female cat uh uh and the same goes for a dog [laughter] probably any anything that you keep it as a pet you can you can <unk> like something that is difficult to tell the gender all like you know i i think probably for animals <unk> a lot of it has to do with um with uh how important the gender of it is to you and how much you get really out what the the the the gender of it is because like obviously they're separate term for bull and a chow and spanish as it is an english there's you have the the the gender a dog and cat but i've never heard anybody say ah most <unk> most jobs that that <unk> by the way yeah well yeah i suppose i mean <unk> incredibly low agency in every culture that i'm aware of so again [laughter] yeah i mean i didn't want to get too hung up on <unk> [laughter] yeah yeah um <unk> let's let's actually move on i was just a little yeah hi um so we <unk> we <unk> and uh yeah we uh madison pronouns only <unk> [noise] rain so intense it this was the one that surprised me to discover so intensive um in most of the language is most of us will be familiar with we just use reflects to pronouns i myself since oh bob him you know punch the senator or above punch the senator right that sort of intensive marking mhm it turns out <unk> <unk> <unk> enemy yeah [laughter] and i have a nice paper relating to that that i can lincoln to the show notes [noise] my favorite is bad okay which had separate intensive marking for first and second person pronoun and then third person pronouns all the way up to um inanimate instruction have a different way of marking huh well it'd be weird if you send english like the book itself <unk> table like that's like a little bit weird but i mean you can still think of a situation where you you know it almost raises the books like uh like i like him and and see my mind like it was like it was ah <unk> <unk> subject it does but you can use it as an object yeah no she hit the author with the book itself you know things like that okay yeah i think as a subject that we reflect still seems to apply that something actually has control over it <unk> i don't know [noise] [noise] right anyway um and there are one two three four they're six layers of distinction that one paper found between first and second person pronoun third person pronoun human animate concrete inanimate abstract an <unk> so um japanese has <unk> for all animals can pronouns and gee tight for inanimate the ball sorts [noise] german has dealt for everything but it has no way to do a um intend to pour abstraction and of course spanish use it means <unk> for everything yeah i'm from <unk> so there's a lot of possibility there for some uh uh uh an intimacy hierarchy i had never heard of until a few weeks ago and uh actually um reflective thing i mean probably more common in european languages in other places but i know i've heard yeah i think i've heard that usage kind of used it in a chinese <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> it turns out that um reflects it pronouns are used for intensive and about half the world languages yeah so it's not more common than you might think it's not gonna you're not it's it's not some weird european thing i i i think that the the the cap yet but but yeah it is pretty common so i went to brooklyn that myself so don't be afraid of using that happens all the time um another thing that might be sensitive to intimacy is passive position mhm so especially the the dynamics um [noise] get <unk> in english is far more common with high intimacy patience [noise] and even our dorm even our normal <unk> somewhat has this tendency and this makes sense if we remember that the <unk> and it must be an agency priorities are often related to <unk> what do we think is most important is usually people animal things are usually <unk> so the english passive is just a way to keep at the forefront of our attention and the forefront of a sudden things that were most interested in demand walked into the barn and got kicked by a horse [laughter] [noise] [noise] right we have to pass it but the second cloth because we care most about the man who leave introduced in the first call [noise] um so right i mean some languages are very strict about who can be and it's we talked about for what can be the subject of uh trends verb means more extreme and the <unk> i'm working on the same principle no without <unk> um he's a <unk> if there are too um inanimate objects i presume of equal uh embassy like the <unk> when i talk about um i think <unk> <unk> <unk> the car with anybody that free [laughter] that would be surprising and would yeah the tree fall down yeah like there was a great saw him in the french fell in the truth about a branch of the truth about car a card about choice [noise] anyway [laughter] i mean when you have items that are that fall into the same slob mhm <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] can happen [laughter] for example again navajos does word order according to <unk> so you know the demand kicks the horse and the horse stick to the man will always have the same word order it was always be man horse <unk> and you won't altered them working on the verb to make clear who's doing what to [noise] um [noise] if you have things of the same intimacy like demand kicked the other man then either word order become possible and <unk> um the wick either <unk> uh not a whole and it has a nice little uh hierarchy there ended up explains the difference i think um the uh the <unk> and then be right <unk> <unk> <unk> many dissertation is have been written on the <unk> the hierarchy there it's interesting has a human <unk> infant flush the gamble the medium sized animal then small animal the natural course of the <unk> yeah and that is somewhat simplified that's somewhat simplified elderly navajos distinguish eight levels well obviously it's simple i mean even if <unk> understand it right [laughter] yeah i mean the five or six levels system you're describes it simplification of the actual um system as you'd like older people but it is it is decaying and the language becomes less <unk> [laughter] and um [noise] yeah [noise] yeah so the example there at one of the sense that sounds wrong smoke i'm on the speakers because they put they say the <unk> the girl bird first and then they have girls and they have your pack right and uh they say it sounds wrong <unk> correct right interesting um another place where where'd order might come into play is in <unk> so it was a language in africa indict trained to divert you know like give mhm the higher intimacy object whether it's the direct object or the indirect <unk> always come immediately after the her <unk> usually you know an object don't aren't <unk> aren't in a in a indirect object <unk> exactly [laughter] this is this the right to sort of thing makes sense and then it becomes dramatic life um i made the same decision in <unk> that indict transit him the highest intimacy thing must always be the core argument of the <unk> i do all the personal agreement income by some subjects and um like boring <unk> subject objects burt oh blonde together in one nice morphological bio um [laughter] you know <unk> like give the person is always going to be the <unk> and it seems to effectively indirect object becomes incorporated into the number [noise] uh and that sort of thing happens in more languages than just <unk> yeah well i mean it's we're giving examples here but these are all things that you can you can ah all into your own language and develop well yeah yeah and put your own spin on it too <unk> uh something uh like i've thought about doing this but didn't necessarily hyatt animosity of my head i just thought oh the steel fuel or something that could happen right and uh the <unk> of all of us from there [noise] [noise] right well the <unk> the decision i made on <unk> was entirely based on fake sensations i got you know from things like knowing about how blackfoot transit verbs work it just seemed better that the thing i care most about which is most likely to be higher intimacy [noise] should always be a core argument alert <unk> only lap this week did i learn about <unk> <unk> so a lot of these things often will make sort of an end to the extent [noise] um that's actually a very good um point william <unk> we've kind of dance around playing the fur or <unk> going on but one of the reason that these animals the higher either this is things that are higher on the intimacy art her <unk> are more likely to be things that people talk about and care about right we'll talk a lot more about other human beings than they do about <unk> <unk> [laughter] <unk> <unk> right right um and then that's what i said earlier you know things that are culturally important might get knocked upper level or two in their intimacy [noise] um [noise] um and then they go ahead i'm gonna say yeah the <unk> the uh i was just going to get to the next thing that you have on your list is in english are syntax or possess it actually um changes based on animal that's an interesting thing to me what is it it's and the mets are more likely to have uh <unk> right right well i put a link or ah a little snippet from that would be on there and dumb blow a little bit yeah the higher intimacy um the <unk> the possess or in the less preferable <unk> oh yeah yeah right my yeah my state versus the face of me [noise] mhm [laughter] [laughter] you actually like um <unk> he had that the face of meat market <unk> because i don't think it seems like it could work but you <unk> <unk> no one ever said [noise] [noise] right but it sounds i mean if you use the phrase in uh passionate voice you are not the boss of me or the song there was um a song you you got the best of me well yeah well that different that the <unk> of is it is it oh <unk> yeah pretty much i mean you're not the boss of me takes some of it's humor from the fact that it sounds like something a child would say yeah in fact in fact it is it <unk> you could say it's sort of <unk> because of the case examples but <unk> highly highly <unk> yeah yeah yeah right right yeah you you you would uh under normal circumstances you do not use a um with the personal <unk> and you usually do not use <unk> uh with and and the <unk> um definitely not with the human <unk> isn't that like the <unk> or something like that i don't know <unk> <unk> <unk> it's derived from uh the <unk> uh <unk> uh politicized and reduce yeah um and then the other examples from the <unk> the man's face versus the face of the man with the former one slightly preferred and then the last example is the clock space and the face of the clock and this one the the second one is is slightly preferred again we could always could opt examples where the clock state sounds okay but in general people did not spontaneously produced sentences or phrases like that for the most part and and and it's exactly these sorts of mistakes that foreign speakers of english make that sort of can characterize language that they may never have been told that [noise] we're not some of these <unk> <unk> um mhm you should you should say that i'm talking about things being prefer that an important distinction to make i think i think a lot of <unk> when they make their language they make the rules kind of rigid [laughter] um yeah in many cases and natural language is it one one construction is more common than the right while the powder might say that uh uh yeah there might be edge cases where you use an alternative construction specifically to create sort of a <unk> you know in poetry or something yeah yeah we <unk> it's always fun in the not be speaking community in the <unk> people become very upset when they don't get very strict rules from on high [noise] there are a number of grammatical constructions we're from or said okay well this one is the most common and this one you can use about half the time but this one's really kinda weird [noise] <unk> yeah dorm and we'll just ignore that um <unk> but the point is i i think you're right a lot of people especially language inventors we what we like things to be tiny all have the little <unk> even if we're aiming at natural is and we might we might push towards tardiness and [noise] i think it's it's partly ah um partly an artifact <unk> being i constructed language uh uh these being language is that people sat down and created rather than naturally a ball so right people to have sort of made the rules and they didn't think about you know what if what if this gradually develop this way the <unk> one of them might actually sort of survive in cases <unk> um i mean when you're creating something there's a lot easier to to follow the rules and be then too you know go the other direction and how has it well maybe just go with the flow and then it's like all <unk> together you have to go through and find what your inner grammar is at that point so following the rules are having are clear the air i i think that's probably true too [noise] um back to the topic at hand [laughter] indian um it's not a huge number of human languages but it's still not rare have optional cake marketing yeah okay and it's much more likely to have um the case marking actually use [noise] when the agent is of lower and <unk> and this once again make sense we expect things with high agency to be the one doing things in the world mhm yeah um rather than the other way round yeah um i think um this kind of <unk> <unk> in two <unk> one thing is um it's more common to have the uh so when you have the agent patient and spiritual rules the ones that <unk> that's more differently is more likely to have the marquis [noise] so in a negative system you're more likely to mark the <unk> the the absolute <unk> you're right more likely and the other way more than <unk> use of you're more likely to mark the used evidently nominate walmart and i think uh this dumped mail into it because yeah um the agent is higher agency then you don't necessarily have to market and it also fits in with um ah one of the earth that we talked about uh way back when [noise] on our more active allotment episode was and agencies split where things that are higher on the agency hierarchy <unk> the novelty of marketing and lower <unk> marketing marketing and it specifically because it's surprising <unk> hi agency um arguments to be the object well it's right where <unk> where we can see to to be the uh the age right right exactly that it it's what is the most part are typically expected needs know marking it's only when something weird happened like you know uh uh [noise] i didn't know a book did something to you rather than a person do you um you know the sandwich ate the man and you know i mean that sort of an extreme in artificial example i was trying to concoct something a little more natural but yeah right <unk> unusual for things to do you think people that much less typical [noise] and in those small number of languages that have optional case marking you only mark became typically when something unexpected [noise] um uh speaking of <unk> uh are you going to <unk> uh i was about to move on but i forgot that you made the no joke the russian thing which is cool yeah um i also <unk> with <unk> but um i was there with you put it really well <unk> <unk> um in rushing the accused of chase okay i'll herself before star russia has gone feminine neuter plural in terms of uh you know the grammar or the uh gender [noise] um and it also has case and speaking about the accused of marking on mountains does what does in russia be accused of of <unk> now that either masculine singular or <unk> or newer plural <unk> the only seen your masculine mountain and everything plural goes down there [noise] while he accused of n. m. and m. and now uh insane cases comes on nominate [noise] so i think that's just it's interesting <unk> no form is more represent is more um it looks more like the <unk> than the mountain in those cases so [noise] i'm a female for example i mean if i'm on that example the game [noise] who was a really good example on here um okay so they get for example the <unk> <unk> <unk> and the <unk> just crane like lifting machinery and if you're talking about you know the brother lift the crane <unk> <unk> <unk> ah <unk> but when the but after that you could have changed it goes to gender kind of it don't behave like the lesser animate object right oh right so it was interesting it's a little bit tough you haven't played it but um it i thought that was really interesting um when you when you guys were talking about the um [noise] oh you know talking about gender or whatever [noise] um [noise] well [noise] i don't know i <unk> [noise] so um but this is yeah this is exactly a point where grammatical gender still being pushed around my semantics and them seeing an agency yeah <unk> heard by meaning behind my back [laughter] so it it's not like you have to if you want to start thinking about it and the senior carlin you do not have to reproduce the <unk> broke complexity of navajos system right there are subtle things you can do with your your [noise] you know sort of otherwise kind of standard boring euro clone there's still a lot of fun you can have um yeah i and i was gonna say that um it's interesting that the these things that we would think um possibly more animate <unk> or ah or the the accused of it <unk> the janitor and the others <unk> because i think maybe that might be <unk> uh <unk> uh way of making them work different because <unk> mountains of course when you they have to be more heavily more noticeably marks were accused <unk> you don't expect them to be accused right now but the way we landed up hills and when we were learning it the way we learned that was if it's masculine animate takes gender instead of taking to sort of um which is kind of when it's on the second example there [noise] and uh i never really thought about you know that was in order to mark that thought it was um [noise] yeah i think that aren't aren't [noise] aren't high animate direct object in spanish marked monkey [noise] um <unk> highly well i <unk> no not yet um direct object that it ain't <unk> in spanish um particularly humans ah but i think um like highly animate animals like pets mine also get it you use the uh proposition ah okay okay i remember hearing there's a similar process and i forget which corner of the grammar operate in [noise] in korean and it turns out elderly people always use um inanimate marking for robots butt heads are happy to <unk> to elevate robots too intimate had some awesome i wish i could remember the paper on that but i'll anyway out that earlier like when you went a little kid like a little boyfriends <unk> figure a girl dollar <unk> maybe to boil though but you know they personalize the item and you know you're like oh what's he doing i don't know if that's giving reasons dollar hamster you're just playing them times all the person you know you might in story time logic you typically elevate anything talking to intimacy even if it isn't normally [laughter] once once something in history start speaking it is typically elevated teach human level intimacy well [laughter] remember um south korea there are schools that have robot like english teachers they're they're very crude sort of basic uh programming or for english <unk> but the they ah they interact with the kids and the kids might sort of see them as sort of uh sort of something like human because i mean <unk> and well i mean there's there's the element of of you know certain amount of entertainment as well i mean there's all sorts of speculation you can go into your i don't know <unk> yeah that's a good on rolling question but um but but that goes a little bit further i mean that might be interesting if you develop a slap icon world is starting to get personal robots <unk> would be kind of interesting but [noise] yeah what i i was doing the <unk> um kind of based on how simpsons something is on the <unk> looks awful where it's on one level and things that aren't on another and then i wasn't sure if they were going to be like that way if there was some animal spirit versus just some no dog they'll notify some from raw [noise] um not be on the rocks here right [noise] um [noise] um i think i want to move on pretty quickly because we're we're i only have i only one left item on my list here in in <unk> and you may remember from the <unk> corporation episode hi enemies c. d.s are less likely to incorporate in a lot of languages [noise] okay that makes sense um do you think that falls into place with the with the proper now that we're talking about earlier being higher up like follow along with that uh i don't think so yeah uh i think the <unk> corporation is related to the same process and optional case marketing you just pour surprising for a high animate thing to be the patient and experience yeah and which is which is something that like you get a corporate and i think also it just sort of hi intimacy things are more likely to be more important work <unk> um i have one other nope that i want to say before we end this subject is just sort of those things up when you were actually creating your and missing hurt hurt i think it's very important [noise] at least for most of the <unk> naturalistic languages that we're talking about that you try not to think too much in our modern scientific viewpoint um i i i want to say that because i actually kind of made a sort of uh uh a mistake in the beginning of the episode we're not <unk> gave an example of an animate the art art being humans <unk> that's actually not likely you're less likely to have things like running water or wind or something <unk> yeah it's it you have to think hard i think sort of in a free industrial since uh what what people would consider <unk> and what people would consider more important yeah and now it's not even necessarily <unk> modern if it think metaphorical me the media is moving rocks don't but you know if you're depending upon your com world if you're in a in a world where everything moves or if you're i mean it's totally innocent in a society that was based on something similar to what we have here are like the <unk> uh i mean natural language they have that kind of evolution but i don't know necessarily strange if you were to think about it in a different set and try to just build and well i <unk> i like that you have a <unk> world where clients regularly move they might actually have higher intimacy they might actually like <unk> <unk> <unk> into animals where like you might also have not living my butter grouped in with rocks well just this like williams that think of it might have <unk> i think about it literally scientifically because technically we know that it is more enemies than running water it's not just reacting to physical forces it has something to crawl over it but you know more sort of intuitive and matter of poor cool and the wind is moving <unk> we might think of it is more enemies [noise] right right okay so with that little <unk> little <unk> yeah not why don't we move onto our future con lying to them <unk> which is [noise] <unk> uh normally say her essay but that kinda [laughter] [laughter] [noise] ah so i haven't really looked at <unk> before the episode so i'm trying to look at the grammar you're okay man i'm very you know that i can give a little background because i i read some stuff yeah mhm um <unk> is very funny because in very healthy <unk> became interested in linguistics and <unk> and the twenties [noise] um and then she and her husband in nineteen <unk> establish a <unk> uh an organization the international auxiliary languages so see <unk> <unk> [noise] and their aim was to study a whole bunch of our planes and pick one to use to make certain kinds of scientific literature widely available so for example the this organization it was created used to be part of a sort of [noise] uh science education punish [noise] mhm [noise] um and there are people that and thought for a while and then in nineteen thirties they decided that they were not going to use an existing when they were going to make their own which surprised everyone who had been watching the process [noise] um i want to say something i'm i'm i'm sorry to interrupt you i'm reading through this grammar i'm looking at <unk> i can't understand that right [noise] so this is the point so one of their decisions was are we going to go with a very very highly naturalistic looking language would the word forms are very much like uh something for natural language [noise] or way to go something more like um <unk> as um uh naturally they're ready to go not even as far as as for onto um so basically he and remembering their goal which was you make certain kinds of scientific literature widely available they decided to make their own language we're pretty much the entire already mccaffrey larry is in a whole bunch of romance languages or is otherwise obviously derived from latin and the terms of the grammar they cut everything but did not occur in all of their main languages and that's that's that's the reason i can understand everything basically the entire thing looks like spanish city [noise] yup right so here's here's the thing keeping in mind their goal i went and before the show a few hours ago i went to find out how many <unk> to speakers of english romance languages so eh one mean you know that's your mother tongue and l. to means for whatever reasons you are bilingual in that language you learn in school or you know you're it's um main language <unk> your country or whatever [noise] so <unk> gave some of the numbers which are a little bit hard a little bit squishy sent to really keep track but it looks like about one point three billion people speak english or a romance languages either their first or second language that is a huge chunk of the planet yeah in terms in terms of casting a wide linguistic net i don't know how you could do better right how does that somebody other languages like tiny is how many other uh less than a billion just less than a building so even even you you you once you take english and all the romance languages into account they overwhelming even mandarin chinese bumped bumped bomb oh no no it was legit you might think but they still do overwhelming well it's uh think about this [noise] spanish or alone uh is broken by about four hundred million people right it's it's <unk> method math english english true of course is massive a gigantic special and and most and most yes and not only that but most of our sort of educated and especially scientific vocabulary is latin base mhm mhm um which brings us into the romance told pretty solidly so that was the goal [noise] so yeah basically the language hey sort of the intersection of a bunch of romance languages in english and what comes out <unk> <unk> as i say and my first time it is awfully dull [noise] [noise] yeah they're really it really just <unk> basically looked like a <unk> i can i can read almost everything mhm yeah from uh if if you have not listen to the pot just where i speak spanish fluently so obviously this is going to be very easy for me to read it here and um it's filling anything in the grammar that particularly interesting [laughter] i mean there are a few bits where [noise] they just gave up and grab latin [laughter] so they have the lord's prayer in <unk> <unk> um the weakest media and you know they have for the you know give us her daily bread they have dominoes who da no story <unk> um [noise] so that's uh [noise] i don't think there's any romance languages those as oh yeah well i'm half day but um [noise] um there are grammar is of it but it's very boring obviously 'cause they take out everything there is no intellectual morphology except poor old there's no agreement process [noise] the verbs are dead simple um original <unk> uh an interesting thing that i saw was i was paging through what like do allow their regular <unk> now or <unk> or or regular plural or loan work but it seems really odd that there are alone words and enter language that are different from a <unk> uh <unk> but [noise] um right but i mean why would you make your own work for a sushi [laughter] everyone <unk> sushi in sushi it's international word it's just not romance so you might as well borrowed a sushi [noise] yes um right well i don't know what else to say about it i mean they sort of like i said they're taking the intersection of a bunch of uh romance languages with various anything that doesn't also current english grammar when mercilessly chucked out except for um they still use um to a certain degree they still use reflective verbs shoot played trends timothy tricks okay [noise] um and even that's not an well defined as i might care for reading the grammar is a very unsatisfied because it hard for me to see what's going on <unk> [laughter] it looks like it just kinda took life basically uh like a big cold unimportant english venison orgies from <unk> <unk> <unk> and everything that floated to <unk> like i think i was reading somewhere in louisiana so that they had one set of four months at seven patrol languages and it didn't occur and x. amount of those lines <unk> it wasn't it yeah and then there was a german <unk> german russian worthy um secondary sub student at <unk> you know <unk> where are you gonna say drugs yeah one thing i might um [noise] say is one weirdness but one one interesting <unk> <unk> in through the romance languages i guess [noise] comes in with the pronouns and there's masculine feminine neuter pronouns <unk> subject an object they're different <unk> <unk> uh and and uh at s. or the <unk> of course i'm in the reflect ship for all those <unk> [noise] the possessive you have to or uh the the the the possessive you have to or to it or a singular and load or lorna for possessive so basically that stuff that is it worded i think mainly for spanish i know spanish has uh said two french french trenches perfectly identical as well mhm yeah it's sort of it's anything that has any interest in this language is also in rome it languages and roommate languages are far more interesting isn't it [laughter] [laughter] gender too dramatically undercut grammatical gender which again that sort of makes sense even there go right is it supposed to be an international exhilarated language um <unk> another thing that does that straight from the romance languages and not from english is you know pronoun verb pronoun in english like i've surprise to them is pronoun prone to uncover like it is in romance languages so one of the examples high out here is you'll late to put in dave i surprised it then mm [noise] [noise] um so that's what i'm <unk> it's very um romance and then we have again reflective used for things that are kind of <unk> um agent <unk> passive or anti confidence i apologize for using the phrase anti cost if if you really care you can put up [noise] but um the phrase the books so well we're the book sales well you see people who say then they moved to maine so <unk> <unk> <unk> yeah and he's married standard sort of stuff [noise] the thing that puzzling to me is the official publication about the language very sparse about that <unk> the language for people so this this uh this is normal score and i uh i think especially ah one of these i mean it's not the one of the earliest <unk> but it's fairly early nineteen thirties and said that's not better than i think yeah it's not it i mean there's been outdoors what mid eighteen hundreds but you know maybe something right yeah oh oh later part i don't know my history very well um [noise] but um we need to have a <unk> history of course [laughter] um uh where was that go on uh uh uh but i mean from a. n. i. a. l. especially from er er i'm not surprised that some parts of the grammar are not really flushed out or anything i mean if you go back uh too you know eighteen eighties and go to aspen out though that's better though grammar at first but at at uh when when i went out created was not very plush though [noise] it was yeah although his publication was the company by large trumps of translation which helped him find that i mean i should mention that large multi volume publications were published in interacting with scientific publications were published an interesting <unk> until the nineteen seventy uh-huh um some people were for a while at least using it quite a lot [noise] um and i was [noise] sort of surprised not to see a little more detail about some of these things yeah [noise] i mean maybe that may be a part of the material that we have access to but it it just doesn't seem like there's a lot of stuff around the edges than run up and designed as well as you might like as george's observed <unk> once you know a romance language reading <unk> dead simple yeah producing the same effect might take a lot more work you know i'm like i look at this and i say like uh <unk> your ah <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> and it because i have a terrible headache it isn't necessarily that i go to a doctor i got most of that reading the <unk> i probably am not a <unk> really i'm not entirely certain on pronunciations that simple but that just basic but i i when i read it i can get most of what it is and that's [noise] romance languages are very mostly very similar so i mean like if i read some italian or portuguese i can get um i think i can read it <unk> better than i can read like italian or <unk> actually yeah but up um and once again everyone forget romanian and romania [laughter] i i'm not i've never tried romanian i know the french i just can't i can't do crunch nearly as well i guess but all the traumatic um i probably couldn't do are men and very well because it's got a bunch of slavic input doesn't it yeah [noise] um [noise] yeah um i think i am trying to think well i guess if you're into i know that's something that you might want to take a look at how we thought i i else down for international auxiliary language like any <unk> yeah yeah we we the on the the other term for it in the <unk> so yeah if you're in <unk> then i take a look at it i think if you're looking for anything interesting at all learn roommates languages yeah [noise] [laughter] [noise] remember right this is an interesting example of creating a language for a particular goal right yeah the inter league what people are not really trying to create an eye out in the same sense of <unk> or or even <unk> i know but people are this is very much about producing certain kinds of reference work they want to be available to as many people as possible [noise] by virtue of them knowing or being familiar with languages i was <unk> yeah and not for that purpose it is an interesting thing because i mean i go to the fact that george and i and i i guess i don't know my <unk> you know spanish yeah i got yeah my boss was alright so all of us <unk> expect the same is true of anyone who knew you know much more you know french or italian or whatever [noise] can very easily read this language very very easily though in that sense clever as i used to be on there and make you went anywhere from the standpoint of most of it here who are artistic on liners he's kind of boring mhm yeah and that's that's the thing i wanted it but um and it's not perfectly easy to read there's there's a little bit like ah reuben is written that long for her colors like then you know you might have to learn to lose a few little things that we were going to actually use that language but [noise] um <unk> <unk> very close it is very close to achieving goal um and um i think mainly it [noise] um mainly are are sort of uh lack of <unk> is more it's a bit to the point um we are all <unk> and we all are interested in making naturalistic <unk> so whenever we get into one of the i know we're <unk> we're not really in our our sort of wheel house and [laughter] kind of hard enough for us to get into and frankly i think generally the most of the time the the idea behind and i you know it's sort of misguided [noise] <unk> yeah it's a beautiful idea to to create a a culturally neutral in the case of us broncos creating a cultural culturally neutral language <unk> but it's never going to happen and this i mean it's great you know i could read it but the <unk> being sort of easily learn by english speakers and and especially <unk> i think yeah it's mainly if you speak it roommates language you can learn the language release and you can almost not even bother with learning it you just have to learn new vocabulary but um the fact that it never really caught on that just normal for <unk> like that just they don't [noise] without any any uh strong culture behind it without any economic incentive behind it they just never go anywhere [noise] um [noise] that's a philosophical argument we can have another show [laughter] yeah um [noise] i mean it's really <unk> is all these things you've been saying our stuff that <unk> people up here too have deliberately stayed away from [laughter] i don't remember what their point is is to make certain kinds of works widely available the wind is number of people mhm and for that intermingling seems successful [noise] even the results are not perhaps as inspiring it they could needs you are players yeah right and you know so it it's good for at school but for the reasons that we usually get our um our ah our ah <unk> <unk> it's not it's well this is weird [noise] <unk> one one thing to point out before i go before we move on so i just got to the numbers and for numbers more than a million [noise] apparently they went to go with the <unk> the the system up million million million billion and that but instead of doing like you know <unk> million billion million million billion million billion that go with it a thousand ends meet a day and then maybe on <unk> <unk> <unk> really on and it goes on like that <unk> <unk> it was it fresh didn't have the <unk> the art art the numbers i hear ya whatever it's it's a funny well whatever [laughter] [noise] it's funny to see now because i think almost everybody is just going i i think everybody in the european spirits going with the million billion system now i mean you still see million million mhm in uh british english stuff and some spanish <unk> um <unk> <unk> <unk> maybe on it or something like that but uh maybe on me the owners or something like that but uh yeah anyway [noise] yeah i'm out visit we sort of pick this language panic we're like we need a comic let's do it i'm like okay and then i think they're so it's hot and i notice how the <unk> no i mean it's not million man [laughter] [noise] um i'm i'm just going okay that's okay i think that you know taking those <unk> <unk> <unk> accepting this for something completely different from an <unk> we're doing i mean like you mentioned they did do a good job where i'm just an old by english speakers and ah <unk> people who are <unk> that you know and um [noise] i think if you're looking for something that maybe it's like a blending of those uh the first languages it might be interesting to look at how like one in most resembles and how honest but i don't know if they really did that 'cause they were looking to just use that i don't know if they really went into a deep dive <unk> language so to speak yeah it'd be interesting to see a dictionary and see how much semantic detail that go into for any given word [noise] yeah [noise] um how old are the need to to see it as bronco there are a lot of really gigantic great three references available online [noise] but it's harder it has been harder for me to find some of the information on line for interesting and i did look [noise] <unk> <unk> what was the uh one uh that's really good question [noise] i don't know who was all involved in creation they had uh the committee to do the initial look was mostly american [noise] ah oh in one danish linguist mhm um [noise] but after that the people who made it i guess they were mostly i mean mostly it was the british and americans who really push <unk> and then it's sort of shifted over to europe in south america more in the eighties and seventies eighties and i recall yeah that <unk> morris [noise] she was the uh she she <unk> she was just the money yeah but she was american she was okay yeah well she was amazing so [noise] well okay um by the way when i was saying there nobody says million million but there's people who say thousand million or meat meal really on it [noise] anyway that's totally beyond the point i think we can probably wrap up our discussion of this we've said about all we are going to say uh <unk> one of you guys had some other point but i'm going to say but i'm saying i'm gonna say that this language hum it's very good at specific go it's not necessarily something that we recommend where the purposes we usually share our trick hotlines or whatever you're right it's <unk> and stuff it's not very it's great [noise] it seems like like it's just what happened it's not like like i don't think someone have to necessarily learn with it almost seems like this is what happened like the uh like uh <unk> or a creole that comes out of <unk> these people being stuck in the room and this is the blame uh <unk> except for you and your tendency of randomly importing uh latin words on process mhm um except for that i think that's true and i think it probably much harder to learn to produce the language correctly yeah than it is to simply <unk> passively mhm yeah i mean and that's that's true of any roommates language you know <unk> <unk> ah i couldn't i couldn't speak italian but i could get the gist of a paragraph italian by reading it um but i think we've talked [noise] didn't know about how much we hate this language so i wonder if it's <unk> it's not it's that i've noticed i i <unk> that was a <unk> tongue in cheek comedy okay okay [laughter] uh hockey too much too much about how much how about that language why don't we move on a true our feedback any objections nope i'm all right so we have to do five star review ah they're kind of long but i'm going to read them anyway because i <unk> so we [laughter] [noise] i got her wander deal that i made with our listener so i have to do it so we have one from a guy who call themselves <unk> mhm and they said this hot <unk> excellent resource not only for people interested hotline what languages and linguistics in general each episode full of wonderful information about it meant diversity and marvelous workings of natural language is worldwide as well as interesting perspective on destructed language the focus here is on artistic languages <unk> found in fantasy at science fiction literature and and as an exercise in themselves but there is some coverage of engineer languages as well as a little bit on auxiliary languages <unk> i'm just search you who listeners upbringing levels of linguistic knowledge in <unk> skill although the discussion <unk> often <unk> duct it very high level very experience <unk> might find episode the challenge them to fill out their language is such an episode on <unk> systems video phone <unk> other episodes cover more basic or general topic they've given me plenty of ideas chew on and things at my own language <unk> just one of the few <unk> uh listen to and then i found world worthwhile to go back and listen to the old episodes again [noise] george bianca william and mike thanks for the first year and i hope you give us another at least so uh-huh were you very very good advertisements for art show everybody who's list actually listening to this knows everything that he said [noise] but yeah [laughter] that's fabulous this is a very very good i i <unk> the uh the uh the the woods this review helpful yet because [laughter] it was too but but it it is helpful um and then the next one is smoking hot by robert <unk> i've been teetering on the edge of the <unk> have it on like four years now and these guys push me over the edge they're devotion producing something substantial every week is remark <unk> the show pictures a long initial section about some <unk> linguistics followed by uh featured scripted language hotlines and finally some feedback beat the tree house are very different and you get all the angles covered i highly <unk> my accent [laughter] sorry um there's this most spelling error which i both in her life <unk> you get all the angel covered [laughter] [laughter] [noise] okay uh the uh i'll continue on i highly recommend going back all the way back to the beginning and listening to every episode <unk> golden everyone even before they figured out editing and sound quality [laughter] [noise] [noise] this stuff is at the beginning level wait no you're all that what you said there's not edited beginning level or sit there all linguistic training actually william it's not really a linguist and training you made an <unk> yeah it is [noise] uh therefore if you were unwilling to go read after slash during an episode uh you will be screwed however often enough to be interested in this stuff should have have that problem the <unk> the conversation that than lightning and the release schedule cannot be be [noise] the the stuff would cost you real money and time in books which you should get anyway but it's free on the internet subscribe today i'm glad that i i i liked the fact that he he actually started <unk> because of us yeah one of us one of us we accept them well i mean he was he was interested in it beforehand but we we <unk> him and the right direction um and uh i want to and isn't it then he actually robert murphy actually set up an email and it's a very short email it said uh first of all let me say what a great show i just pushed the five sort of you are on i can i started at three weeks ago and listen to every episode that's a lot of um yes i wanted to bring your attention unwritten rule and hot testing not to go beyond two minutes no one could burn your episode onto a c._d. and give give it to a friend of longer than that let me be sure <unk> <unk> what you do and another interesting filling out there he said the coolest <unk> you'll do [noise] but anyway um wow eighty one minute which one of them through again this time but yeah yeah well i don't know uh i'll have to see what happens after i isolate our stuff and uh and um <unk> and everything but we're currently only ten minutes over by my account [noise] okay um but as far as mentioning the um <unk> we conduct are discussing that i'm a moron linguistically educated level um i've thought about that before and i think that sometimes it's tough to talk about these things without knowing some of the term i don't know if it'd be good if we have like uh like i don't know like <unk> you do <unk> if you don't know the the lingo of <unk> of calm i mean it may be difficult to hang with some of this but er whoever does alright and go see that was when i was hoping uh be constructive constructed what [noise] construction would turn into would be like <unk> for beginners but i mean they their luggage still running i think but they they produce one episode of their pockets that didn't do anything i go like you know what i mean my kids come on i think we pay more attention to trying to find things if something weird get mentioned while i was gonna say i usually try to keep them on without also i don't want the listeners should you know terms i don't feel like being bogged down by explanations i i've had five episodes in a row because we do use some terms regularly yeah but i do try to if we do something new like i. l. or if we use like a split or maybe i do know what it is i play the i guess non <unk> and try to say oh well what does that mean those people <unk> oh [noise] but as we noticed noticed no didn't speaking a few weeks ago mhm and it would have been caught lying for more than i don't know a year yeah it's getting pretty substantial linguistics education just by hanging out with her <unk> and with the internet has it is nowadays you can find resources you know about 'em all over the place yeah and we're always happy to answer and [noise] yeah yeah you <unk> if um in fact i think in our next episode we're gonna we might handle a question from somebody that [noise] but ah [noise] sort of ah ah newark person but i <unk> it is a very interesting um i <unk> i think i feel like maybe it would be who somebody too for two ah both of us to have somebody uh create sort of uh a beginning con lingers last trip term not just for linguistic terms but for <unk> like art lying <unk> all that stuff i think the <unk> l fat approaches some of that mhm and i think if you <unk> to them or not to promote google but if you usually search engine to find any of the [laughter] um i don't really i wonder if we should do an episode just for like beginning land hunger <unk> on uh terms that we use the <unk> not necessarily linguistic terms because that would take several episodes at least i find it to find them when we cover them anyway right yeah oh my yeah we can think about that i mean we can rainstorms even come up with anything but thanks for the letters and the yes thank you so much for the bars at night [laughter] scars what [laughter] good live just watch people to send them cigars [laughter] no so we'd rather he'd rather them send them things i think [noise] <unk> ah <unk> i know cigars but i don't like i don't have any <unk> so [noise] [noise] not not this isn't related for columbine but [laughter] the <unk> gone up [noise] yeah uh we really we really should <unk> uh yeah because we are probably going to be <unk> uh a hundred and eighty two minutes [noise] we should all of that make a gold i'm judy too or no sooner [laughter] sorry eighty <unk> eighty two hundred and eighty two is way too far [noise] sorry yeah we're we're we're over uh uh two minutes so why don't we go [noise] uh it it um william do you have any find words nope but tell us what sort of music you coming to if you do oh [noise] um i have well <unk> well <unk> what's your wisdom my well no i was thinking about this <unk> um earlier in the <unk> on hold until the end um but i was thinking if <unk> if you if you do something that's weird or break some of the rules that we seen like the like the hierarchy or do something that's unusual i think it'd be <unk> i don't think i think the typical reaction would be oh that's interesting rather than you're wrong or that stupid i don't think like whenever i see something on uh <unk> other quote unquote <unk> an intimacy or or not violate say uh hierarchy or if it's just something about contrary to what i would expect to be a natural instinct i mean <unk> it's hard to learn but i wouldn't say it's wrong so i'd say you know feel free to explore and don't be afraid and so forth mining briefly all that so yeah that's why i <unk> i think that just because of what you're saying it don't be afraid of introducing some weird because we say it's not common you know <unk> yeah my uh if you if you wanna do something that's really weird like do like an <unk> split the opposite of what always happens then you know you can try it it's not like a big deal as long as [noise] as long as you know that's what you're doing [noise] have been piling you're doing something on that um the time that i was i've been emily my mind i mean i didn't really think that uh i've i knew i'd [noise] tried something different and turned out to my [noise] so yeah you'll be money anyway [noise] we really need to end up [laughter] that's horrible eighty two minutes thing i i just like the i i actually uh i [noise] it's good to have that information but i don't know how far will follow it but anyway i'm just gonna say <unk> you have been listening to con lying or [noise] you can find the sherman or some sort an all previous offices at <unk> dot com [noise] including links to are online and a few resources you make sense of today's topic you're also find links to subscribe to us on high dunes or through on a <unk> [noise] <unk> [noise] baseball and <unk> they just got a whole lot more questions commonsense against him maybe two online or e. s. t. mailbox calm [noise] you can also submit those translated greetings we played the popular show more controversial display in our head er police even contribute paid for detail [noise] thanks for listening [noise] yeah it is my home i don't know if my [noise] my desperate hope [noise] just for a change of pace [noise] that will have an episode that under an hour long [noise] so we in for that for this one [laughter] there's not a whole lot to say about inter league would that's for damn sure [noise] i like your first one that william so <unk> yeah i kind of worried that if i do uh uh <unk> removal that will make everybody found like their own hands [noise] day's coming we brought two from the tree have [noise] [laughter] [noise] wisconsin finally sent me and my financial aid reward [noise] and [noise] ah <unk> however my tuition it's basically just alone and uh work study [noise] okay [noise] um the work study is like two thousand dollars i applied through student housing for the graduate apartments but i'm way i emailed them recently and they said i'm way far down on the waiting list because i'm not in any of the priority groups right you are not married asian guy with kids i'm gonna registered to vote in wisconsin so you need to inform me on all the political situation [laughter] [laughter] and rely on my brother for that kind of thing [noise] yeah if you're if you're here long enough you'll get a chance to vote for senate for my favorite lesbian well she's not a senator yet she's only been a representative <unk> i mean we do have <unk> cold every one called the dairy queen [noise] that would be hard the rental cycle in madison is very weird oh yeah it is yes [noise] august fifteen is the big day [noise] in madison people who live here <unk> it'd be christmas [laughter] what i would because rather than move things like perfectly good furniture people just move it to the side to be carried away by the garbage elizabeth elizabeth guys can talk about something illicit and i won't listen [laughter] oh you don't want to be part of the conversation [noise] uh i i just think [noise] do none of them i can really um i just i'm worried about you guys would talk about the <unk> [laughter] [noise] oh don't worry [laughter] [laughter] i i just turned on i i just booted out by foods in the instance first plan [noise] the what it's a pot almost but world war craft oh <unk> which i don't play by the way i don't know i had a dog person [noise] it's okay i won't judge you know sometimes people <unk> and they look at things and [laughter] well i used to play i used to play a while but i got incredibly bored with it and have not played it for months so <unk> yeah how far will follow it [laughter] i've been listening to pot cast forever i have you ever heard this eighty two minute rule with it and i listened to a few pod cats that go over two hours pretty regularly so we're not the only way i'm talk a lot [noise] um uh yeah um this weekend tax <unk> two hours all the time that makes sense yeah i heard about it was william [laughter] we've got so many i read the weird to think we'd be immigrants as long as we have <unk> that somebody who thinks that it's worthwhile to listen to the first episode because i'm like oh don't listen to the first [laughter] so it's the audio quality is terrible

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Conlangery Podcast/Conlangery 57 Animacy and Agency (last edited 2017-09-08 00:30:43 by TranscriBot)