Conlangery #60: Syllable and Word Shapes

Conlangery #60: Syllable and Word Shapes

Published: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:00:48 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 you <unk> yeah <unk> <unk> tom <unk> that whole too ooh i'm kid yeah death [noise] [noise] welcome to <unk> languages people's <unk> really mine would be great state of wisconsin and we have [noise] william [noise] and um where are you mike i'm in uh you'd have to michigan [noise] come for dish again we uh mike late teens so i guess mhm you never stay in one place for very long beard well i do i just i i mean it's just i'd like to share the no i guess i don't [laughter] at least not on sundays [laughter] if he keeps moving they can't catch him exactly uh but no i'm up here for a wedding i'm up here for a friend's wedding and uh it's it was lovely <unk> today only like oh i don't i'm ninety something [noise] i know isn't it relief yeah no uh but the people next door um seem to have brought a dog and so does your yelping not me <unk> [laughter] just <unk> i haven't heard any dog yeah so well i'm an obvious are not only go after subject i'm sure the dog will have opinion mhm such good hearing of yours recording uh-huh [laughter] <unk> <unk> right uh i do want to say that we're starting something new with the show and that we're going to start a new format [noise] uh people have talked about how um are uh pursued to been going very very long and i agree with them on that and then some other people have said but they like the <unk> the long discussion [noise] ah so um i see just earlier in these guys were agreeing with me but we are going to start a new thing in um at least for now we're going to try separating to sort of segments of the show so that one we will have a discussion about linguistics topic and the next week we'll have a discussion um hey richard language new somehow <unk> why would you say modified new sounds scary modified [laughter] hi <unk> yeah well i don't know this is the first major change the format episode so uh yeah the first episode had three segments bumper to bumper [noise] but anyway um mine is feedback but um why don't we go ahead and get started on that amount smith uh the way um and we will set and and we will talk about what are we talking about today [laughter] word shape [noise] yeah so well taken away so [laughter] from your actual biological inventory i think the most important thing that <unk> determines [noise] sort of phonetic character have your language is you're still little shit [noise] [noise] um i think uh single sound inventory could be used in radically different ways to produce radically different sounding language and yeah um [noise] and i don't know this is true as it used to be um but i think very often beginning <unk> fall down here [noise] they may not be very systematic about syllable word shape so you get kind of strange things happening and they can 'cause you deep agony down the line once you start getting into morphology [laughter] i'm here i don't know when i was starting this was something i often screwed up um but i don't know it's better now we're sort of online calming communities i think people have more opportunities to see a process for coming in creating languages that might be too a little bit more care about this often when people post [noise] sort of ah you post sort of sketches on on the farms and they don't have any information i miss people ask her heart attack so i see [noise] well i think about it a little bit more nowadays sure so millionaires have more opportunity to be [noise] to get they think well that's good um so i'm going to use a lot of terminology that we've discussed on previous episodes i forget which one i'm going to talk about sort of the parts of a syllable which they're basically three there's the onset which is the opening the you know the beginning constant constant cluster <unk> [noise] there is the nuclear <unk> which is the part of it's a little you can hold on for really long time it seems to me going to be about <unk> um and then the quota is whatever comes in it and it's a little mhm and what are we talking about an open syllable that swimming does not have a quota and a clue little does have a quota [noise] yeah and and surprisingly large number of languages are very sensitive to the difference between opening closed syllables and all sorts of <unk> <unk> um depending on that [noise] um so if we take it a sort of starting off point wall um they just english um three syllable shape [noise] or three complexities of civil chicks simple moderate and complex [noise] in a simple one you have only open syllable that is you only have <unk> possibly <unk> how about <unk> but you know the the patterns pretty straightforward uh a good example of a thing um japanese carolina nope japanese is actually modest as a matter of <unk> <unk> wine is a much better exam chinese um the the uh crazy understood spot and is a <unk> <unk> yeah and it had any um complex unsaid uh-huh okay [noise] um right when i say complex onset that means um onset of the <unk> more than one call [noise] um well then he gets to the moderate syllable complexity and this is the most common one um in the world and bet likely to involve mostly open syllables but you have either a complex onset possible so constant one constant to bowl mhm with the second confident being a glide like <unk> or yahoo or resident like <unk> or la mhm um or you're gonna have constant constant mhm with and it's possible that code a constant might be heavily restrained like george mentioned in japanese effectively the only go to a._a. and [noise] and i suppose if i <unk> yeah [noise] although i mean because in the middle of syllables japanese allows double confidence then you get into all sorts of analysis <unk> <unk> <unk> will avoid that for now we'll just say that moderate the japanese has a moderate handled chinese chinese has <unk> complexity yeah yeah that makes sense right um continent but you might have a gliding off glide um and you can have nasal quotas <unk> mandarin and you have three um ducks a voice will stops additionally available in cantonese for example mhm yeah [noise] um and then last it'd be complex [noise] it's a little shape um which in which you can have multiple constance in the unsaid and dakota yeah i'm actually surprised by the birdie here i would think i would actually think that complex vocal structures would be less <unk> structure would be more common no right so in order of popularity it's moderate complex and then symbols did last yeah uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh and that's the walls get your twelve eight for those who were curious [noise] yeah <unk> in the <unk> what were you gonna say my [noise] [noise] oh no i was gonna say i was just saying oh that's interesting um i expect that i would have expected that i mean i can understand where the middle of the <unk> moderate would be like maybe very large to this over laughing and maybe it's a continuum but i'm surprised that symbol only has sixty one and complex the hundred due on i mean that's more than doubled yeah yeah and then and this <unk> this may be a thing about uh the way walls classified thing mhm i mean they <unk> like uh where did they <unk> hello complex <unk> the the uh plus there's the beginning and cultures being right once you've got a complex coded than they candidates complex okay so maybe just their particular cut off or if you've got you know three <unk> in in an onset that's true <unk> english language and [noise] um [noise] um it's important to know <unk> right now we've just been talking about syllables and then you take multiple so loser and wish them altogether to make [noise] were mhm um and you might have different rules at the edges of the word you might have restrictions at the start of the word [noise] or fewer restriction to that sort of the word um or at the end of a word then you do for all of a syllables in the middle of the word um so a good example of course it ancient greek yeah age in greenwood you can have very complex syllable quotas [noise] but not at the end of a word which only allows r. l. and <unk> uh which does all sorts of fun things to the decline she'll system in um especially evocative um <unk> because they're not there [noise] um and there are a few words in each greek that look like they end in constance but that's only because they're <unk> right they can never occur on her own they have to have something following them [noise] yeah and i i um you know mentioned something about that in a minute but um and then another example in the calling in rome is for example when ya which only allows voice stop after voice resonate coated and that was particularly for because token when to get peculiar melissa hi around right [noise] well i mean if you consider that send especially with what's been yeah i mean um right to be like the way it sounded like it the way it sounded right and and this is another thing that's usually the thinking about starting your senses and i mean that was that um [noise] so much of the appearance of quaint you have to do with it very restricted [noise] it's a little structure would that boy stop and was caught uh agreement <unk> could it be voicing as emotion or how does that work 'cause i thought but did not spend my time going to check out the historical basis of that mhm um i think it put a language had voice stops available and all position mhm um but i don't remember i'd have to go research that yeah no [noise] um do you have anything else you want to say about these basics before we had on to the synergy hierarchy um no well here's one what do the same family usually stick to the same kind of a civil shapes or no [noise] you know it depends well it depends on the time right if they're very closely related than you would expect them to have very similar some uh shapes whereas in you know and the more distance related they are doing the more reading this can happen [noise] when i was thinking about the romance languages are all moderate i signed up a complex and then chinese and japanese and set up both moderate <unk> they borrowed from each other even though yeah i'm an artist you know they did the hand on how much contact they have with each other and particularly what town changes <unk> some some certain kinds of sound changes can grew with your superstructure oh yeah oh yeah [noise] i mean you've got um some of the ban two languages basically have only i would say simple system um with the weirdness that you have [noise] um <unk> residents that sometimes look like go to um but then you have other anti languages that due to sound changes have quite complex on testing cutter yeah it looks like the ah monitor you complex and complex are pretty well just burst all over their group somewhat but they're pretty much all over the place [noise] um and then the simple ones <unk> mainly in the top like kind of just above the equator just to blow you player in africa and um and then he's area respectively and <unk> um yeah i should i i do want to mention i was getting a <unk> a little bit earlier um that one thing that can uh her um occasionally is um [noise] sort of [noise] suffix too including um including william alluded to this would they greek hand actually sort of break your um <unk> tactics a little bit because um [noise] [noise] okay in english [noise] if you are pronouncing it carefully the about the most complex thing word you can say is drink [noise] [noise] so but <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> but that's only possible because you're adding the plural i did the man i don't think that you can't have a free concert coated in english without the ah without either <unk> or the um <unk> [noise] yeah [noise] um although i mean that's important to take in mind because some um quitting wheels still enforced the civil structure so that you might need to do you think very carefully about what happens once including supreme court eggs are involved they might have different shapes to accommodate the sorts of towns that follow them [noise] that is true sometimes [noise] which <unk> absolutely happen in ancient greek you have some uh propositions especially who have different shapes depending on what sort of worked follows [noise] that is true and you can get a lot of different shapes just from derivation <unk> stuff [noise] those those are almost are more likely to ah change in harm in order to conform to uh the journal word shit right mhm [noise] looking at the <unk> the languages spoken in many areas is it um only marketing murder inflated yes spanish birds and yet they got home from spain and not in the south america <unk> [noise] okay um all right so what about those conflicts constant cluster on tests and go to [noise] [noise] um [noise] many languages have a son already hierarchy which determines the borders but those elements <unk> um acoustical you this relates to actual like you know the vowel ah as a much higher <unk> then stop [noise] tall so i can make a a great deal louder than t right [noise] um so from most seven or eight to lease but in general are we start with vowels than approximate so <unk> you know like el r. w. <unk> ben nasal then <unk> then africa and then at the end our stuff huh [noise] [noise] i would think the africa it's would be the fourth <unk> sometimes i don't know just they're stopping it might make them <unk> <unk> <unk> they're very there's a person that well that gets are closer to one ended up <unk> you know they're closer to stop somebody <unk> <unk> so then i think the positioning it makes sense [noise] and uh <unk> going with liquids yeah are they uh yeah <unk> yeah the <unk> see as far as i understand it has to do mainly what how much obstruction there isn't the airway [noise] [noise] right i mean that's when i see i mean some of this little bit controversy on not every language um can be neat me shown to to follow anything remotely like it's been up enough to do that it to <unk> to talk about [noise] yeah uh-huh [noise] and then we ended up <unk> you can have higher or lesser degrees of summer jeeze well so basically <unk> so ah basically and then <unk> and <unk> and then the <unk> <unk> <unk> and it's useful starting with that is to think about how most <unk> in most languages they go from lower too um they go from most <unk> lower <unk> so i and our very common and <unk> and when we are very common um but you know it's been like yeah it's a bit less <unk> yeah but yeah might be my right yeah yeah or mhm [noise] so basically in complex syllable is there's you start with least <unk> move up the scale in southern see until you get to the nuclear <unk> which is going to be a <unk> most southern [noise] [noise] [noise] mhm and then you go backwards you become increasing you become decreasing least aren't as you get to the end of the words so for example we have something like crunch <unk> men and has a resident <unk> and <unk> and then and <unk> <unk> or [noise] [noise] mm right we start with <unk> and then the resident didn't end about oil and then we get a <unk> at the end nothing english i <unk> yeah yeah yeah right yeah um and that's basically it right you can sit down with a bunch of english <unk> break up the syllables or friends or it's a russian words or whatever and you will find that very often a lot of this appears to be in play [noise] now there is an odd ball issue in plenty of languages where <unk> especially siblings mhm pattern oddly and can occur in multiple positions in particular they may be at the very start or the very end of a syllable <unk> be great answer for the great example from george strength [noise] mhm and stuff yeah um i think there's some language i know that treats <unk> live that way so you get <unk> very entertaining places yeah [noise] i i do want us to say <unk> with this little uh playing in really give you a very distinctive found [noise] because uh i made a just a sketch one time i don't know how far i <unk> i don't think i've developed it very far on my language like halt becky [noise] as you can hear from the name allowed pretty much any cricket is to <unk> stop at the <unk> yeah i know and it came out with a really odd sound to it so [noise] that's one of the distinctive features of not be in it allows cricket is plus stop forget it plus anything because of all the rest of it's a little [noise] um [noise] bill uh-huh bomb [noise] mhm [noise] um for example yeah [noise] so i think the the other <unk> are more surprising to uh big uh english speakers because [noise] you know we're used to doing that right right and i think that's the most common i mean you see them languages all over the place it's less common at least in my experience to see [noise] or <unk> yeah yep fulfilling those really can't happen but it seems to curling often i haven't wow [laughter] [laughter] i mean <unk> isn't one of the russians propositions effectively envy or f depending on what follows it yeah the word for uh like in our um also worked for with is just an f. right [noise] um yeah the restaurant or a few of those <unk> and [noise] which i assume are pro clinic on the word they follow right they yeah they won uh criticize i'll be say like <unk> for <unk> the <unk> in the book uh-huh or like [noise] but there is actually there is uh sometimes if the next where it starts with um like <unk> is the word for like the decline forum for me but you wouldn't say <unk> oh they <unk> yeah sometimes that i'll just get put in ah ah yeah russian has <unk> interesting constant clusters [noise] [laughter] yes it does [laughter] but none of them standards on georgian i came <unk> crazy right i mean one thing we've been skipping over some languages i mean <unk> allow things to simply have to be a slightly higher <unk> should be the nucleus of a civil [noise] <unk> um [noise] and you know there are some languages that you know it's not even clear if they have what we would normally consider syllables unusual sense too classy examples are <unk> which is a language spoken up pacific northwest always [noise] <unk> and several of the river languages of north africa had knees insane strings of confidence in but they still have you know <unk> and the like that and actively function as allowing you to breathe all now single word yeah [laughter] [noise] um [noise] so i mean that's that's something to consider as well [noise] in that um <unk> that ah from the <unk> the er the <unk> ah when already hierarchy [noise] where do <unk> impulsive come in and like um clicks i have no idea where clicks follow i mean this is important to say about <unk> he's not giving this very much in a sketch different languages we'll put different things right voice confidence might pattern slightly different from voice voice wisconsin [noise] i'm sure um each of us have an extremely low centre and see [noise] um yeah <unk> yeah <unk> usually um defined in terms of more common hi i don't know if people really have figured out where where [noise] and um and it's active role in it correctly although dejected seem it seems like it just it would be something like there's less tolerant than uh just from the way they sam <unk> right and it's it's it's a complex <unk> which also adds to the <unk> mhm um and as an individual languages <unk> i have a a link here to these syllable structure of a quota which is very complex um so they allow multiple stop at multiple stopped together is onset it's just like ancient greek rights [noise] <unk> t. o. l. i you know things like that i learned something from um the georgian where they have like the guaranteed and be g. or uh yeah <unk> yeah i really i i really for some reason irrational i have a love for the uh the <unk> on that [noise] mhm i like <unk> uh <unk> [noise] [noise] yeah even though it's like how do you actually do with uh well i just <unk> but it sounds odd the p. t. it easier [noise] <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> oh yeah <unk> that's not very common i understand right weight mike you like a mass extinction [laughter] i'm sorry [laughter] they're they're katie boundary <unk> the name for the i think it's the <unk> the gigantic [laughter] asteroid [laughter] sorry stretch [laughter] i suppose right that that's where he called the math extinction company cluster [laughter] right yeah hey wait a second [noise] okay well <unk> what it looks like it's a global stop followed by <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> oh the <unk> thing or not paid paid three uh in one of the words an example uh in uh in the example number well are you <unk> are you interpret in that little tick as the stress mark or as a <unk> uh is in uh stress market i think that's uh i think that's a stress march [noise] okay so that's that makes it [noise] so yeah right like the word but although some is hey i don't think that there's that that's not interesting from what we're talking about [laughter] [noise] i thought it was more interesting than what [noise] but so the um the look on anything interesting because um lots of languages have so we're we're getting a little bit away from us and already hierarchy a little bit and thinking back you know more about you know <unk> [noise] different parts of words may have different rule i already mentioned at the beginning of <unk> it can be weird [noise] but this might be more for logically constrained <unk> verbal roots are quite constrained and very few permit code us whereas normal dakota words do [noise] um <unk> <unk> you can have a complex syllables over a modest become a moderate <unk> moderate syllable shape or the roots river which is at the end and then right next to the verbs then you have the <unk> which have very restricted syllable shapes and even what sort of confidence can occur there right now <unk> no <unk> [noise] um but then you had this junk <unk> which can be much more um [noise] complex slam ugly i missed makes sense because over the history of many of the at the baskin languages proposition phrases they get too close to the <unk> [noise] and can never to skate [noise] um but then there's been less time for them to me worn down so they have more complex syllable shapes and then you have the really fundamental vital stuff like person marking and if you <unk> um are much reduced um and and can do less complex thing so i have a quick [noise] yeah i think that um if you're gonna do that diet chronic online thing did your tactics your word shapes is something that you're going to have to sort of analyze after the fact [noise] mhm oh you can sort of if you if you have the right uh sound changer cry or or or you are doing it yourself uh you you may be able to program in morphine boundaries and sort of create a terminal few things that way but [noise] [noise] right and that's that's that's the important thing for beginners is me aware of it and think about your your photos and you're on sets because what happens when they run into each other because once you've got a moderately complex system you're going to have all sorts of fun washable processes and win a coder runs into an onset yeah mhm voicing assimilation all the stuff that we talked about in the fun logical process is episode comes into play and if you suddenly got three confidence in a row you know language that shouldn't otherwise permit that you need to figure out what's going on you know it's just like um [noise] i ran into <unk> we're um in <unk> i was running into i had three <unk> in a row and i kind of didn't want it to happen so i had a second rule that would delete corner so right right deletion apathetic bowels all sorts of funding is can you can come into play to solve the problem of illegal <unk> <unk> <unk> and you know we just talked about um [noise] <unk> recently and it's the same thing right not just that sounds neat to be comedy to the syllable shape needs to be accommodated and for example when japanese bars english words <unk> [noise] the characteristic defamation of english words part into japanese comes from the dean to <unk> meet a very strict set of rules <unk> shape which is on the low end of modest complexity <unk> mentioned my uh my hawaiian merry christmas story on the spot cats or uh i'm not sure i think so you mentioned christmas but i mean and how establishing the changes are but i didn't know there was a story going with it uh there was not really a story it was just the fact that i heard that before <unk> and and then uh and then later in a linguistics class i was um i was figuring out what uh how long were had been more in hawaii and and then it dawned on me that <unk> mock out with a borrowing from english but but that has to do partly with bill gates because of course hawaiian is very restricted in in terms of <unk> i think <unk> i think i think too i enjoy that once we can pretty safe for say a simple yeah but it's also about <unk> because there's no t._v. there is no at there but um they have those those things [noise] <unk> ah a little bit um [noise] the i think <unk> the main thing i think honestly your your front of the tactics and your front logical processes may actually fact the sound of your language more than you're straight up phone him in court absolutely yeah yeah [noise] back um yes um and then what else can i say i think those were <unk> i mean [noise] yeah that's it [laughter] [noise] yeah it's not it's not a very long topic [noise] to sort of i mean what is so much you can do with it but you need to sit down and i think especially for beginners it's helpful to think of <unk> i certainly know when i first started coming in [noise] i was not all systematic in thinking about what sort of civil shapes were possible and i would get very strange forms one grammar started appearing and then i'm like oh god you know sort of an artist through my head this language i hate it all and i threw it out and there was only later when i really sort of systematically thought about this than i could get control of right if you're aiming for a particular aesthetic mhm livable shape and and the rules of what's committed <unk> seems to me just such an important part of it mhm but you can cause a lovely inventory of sound you could still mix them together and weird ways that do not give you the results you well yeah um when i do i don't usually right down like hard necessarily form i do is what it sounds like it'll <unk> feels like it would be promoted there and then from that i try to green one is <unk> what is what things [noise] what is the underlying <unk> there but i do you know try to get saddam first and if it's like i don't sound like it should be there that i'm like oh okay well maybe this is what that from <unk> and and and we've been talking about this <unk> already hierarchy but even with that i sort of a general principle there may be very particular rules right you might allow you know w. n. y. as a second element of a complex <unk> and l. but not our or you might not allow why for some reason right there's all sorts of things where you you can have oh we love is kind of constant cluster onset but there may be gap in so they can actually participate in that so [noise] for some languages unfortunately it probably makes sense to have a church not hear the question i'm sorry go ahead george [noise] no go ahead [noise] um i was just going to say when you have when you're thinking about your <unk> uh <unk> and you have a constant cluster like say you have like um i don't know like uh <unk> or something like that how do you guys think about necessarily whether it belongs to the um code other first syllable or the <unk> second now you have like uh oh yeah <unk> <unk> i mean typically i may you know <unk> a few words and didn't have the aesthetic that i want mhm and then i tend to be because this part of language invention is not high on my list of interesting things to do [noise] um i tend to be pretty systematic about it i mean i couldn't i i try to do things to make it not completely insane the unnatural but [noise] i don't you know make pretty much barbie <unk> [laughter] yeah um and i are really happy to say this is a little shapes and then what i will do is get one of those were the generators and feeding my rules and save it produces things that look right <unk> and i decided that you know <unk> as necessary from there yeah the <unk> the word generate schools are great thank protesting now you're on a <unk> i find that my giant list of i real roots [noise] that i generated with a word generator i still have to <unk> a little bit because they are doing things that i don't want it to actually do and that's actually something i wanted to mention is that you can get really kind of you can define things in the very strictly like <unk> i <unk> went with some some i went some with some fairly typical like there are three constancy can having a code i. l. l. and and the sound button they can only occur at the end of a word right and and anything that's word internal was an open to the local and that seems <unk> and there's other things like you can have uh and and on glide with the yeah but not if the uh foul eat eat [noise] because that would just blend together anyway right yeah i think things <unk> you can do little little adjustment like that to to do just this little changes to the sound of your language [noise] [noise] yeah that's true especially with um when you get <unk> involved you know w. n. y. u. niggers [noise] all sorts of weird just happens right in some languages it makes better sense to think of them simply it's constant always [noise] such that they can occur at the end of a word in ways that probably english speakers aren't used to thinking about like why spend a good time because you know and their rules apply [noise] um [noise] and you get to simulations like us right you don't expect wide plus i or w. plus you knew persist very long lines you expect them to simplify somehow anybody natural language is they didn't [noise] [laughter] [noise] yeah [noise] i wonder in russian um when you have like your self confidence you hard confidence you know like oh the bowel ya i guess i'll be just like how um a gliding there solving languages but that whole business scare me so i don't know what the best way to analyze that and [laughter] it for a [noise] there's there's a funny painting by you know some grand old soviet painter where he probably pretty soviet actually some russian painter and he has these [noise] you know [noise] barbarian um half hours out in a field somewhere drunk off their mind and it's a great <unk> catastrophic party scene uh-huh and there's some language too i don't know if he still has a blog um just you know has a little comment on who's saying you know saying provo photo slobs discussing or or making those decisions on their stress system [laughter] when the dragon already determined how the solving languages or <unk> you know <unk> which is regular [noise] that probably could be another future topic is [noise] [noise] <unk> um well we've done <unk> right right so we could pull out stress on it [noise] but yeah uh i think we've talked about about all this is actually going to end up being a short episode with the new format here yeah okay well see <unk> but uh i think that just about does it for that topic i mean you can dig deeper into stuff and figure out and and uh learn about [noise] uh from our links different uh things that you can do and uh i think a lot of this is just going to depend on the individual unlike or the individual hotline <unk> found you actually want to have because [noise] you know everyone had is gonna have their own sort of let it about this particular subject short and everyone is going to want to make their language according to those medics and that and then and so you kinda have to figure out how to make your own rules [noise] i said i think i have an interesting exercise for people who you know might have some spare time and our <unk> between languages that'd be my name is <unk> um you know a continent <unk> inventory not <unk> not too weird and try to make a bunch of quite differently sounding languages would just that inventory right lying bikes like by playing with things like [noise] total complexity and and rules the beginnings of words and <unk> and [noise] it's similar i should i mean you didn't have a lot of fun with it i think you can <unk> you know you can [noise] find these sound system for some future project can you heather ideas by simply playing with a small set of stuff 'cause i know some people when they start with languages they want us to have something interesting phonetically and they certainly do this by picking rick <unk> mhm which lets them use weird letters but i think there's so much can be done with what on the face of it looks like an extremely boring sound system [noise] can become quite interesting um with some deeper thought about how those towns go together you don't necessarily have to include objectives just to be weird you can have like three three <unk> with a broken in order to hurt her yeah and be just as interesting and just to i mean if a cult her now [laughter] [noise] um and sometimes it seems like the rules don't necessarily follow by you know families that sounds like english we allow <unk> at the beginning of words i mean we have loads and loads of them you know a mailman but we don't have any that have the <unk> a lot to start her word so it doesn't have to go buy a whole family it can just be [noise] you know this particular one [noise] uh yeah i think that is true that there are plenty of little odd ball that happened and we sort of thing to do this before when you get a language that damn charged explain what constants can occur next to each other in uh <unk> uh related um [noise] [noise] mhm but the the <unk> the common one i think a lot of that will come if you do the historical method just naturally because language history tends to mock <unk> the ah the water's as far as ah where what what can happen on a tactics [noise] yeah [noise] um so all included links uh for the reconstructed <unk> language they have to have a chart of um permitted company clusters and it's interesting and worth uh look for uh kind of it's kind of symmetrical but ultimate <unk> interesting stuff there that will catch it so i think we can wrap up this show now um they're just so surely not yeah and then we didn't tell you're two hours [laughter] it's only been less than an hour how is that possible yeah well it <unk> that that's what you do when you when you uh cut the show and a half but uh so next week we will have a whole show devoted to probably eight online er mhm work ordinarily and and then uh and then that will be the way going forward and let unless everyone strenuously object to us going district [noise] um and so what what it was like oh well you have no feedback today ah but um i do want to say uh [noise] keep sending in those top of the show breathing in your car like or in a <unk> that you speak they believe we haven't gotten any of those since we did the german on [noise] uh but one thing i really really strongly ah suggests that you said the those an m._p. threes 'cause people send me those are like odd sound files and i can open a lot of things i can open wave and all but somebody sent me one that i can't open uh recently and there's some people who sent me videos which i have to just sort of play and then after the audio prompt i really really strongly preferred that use an m._p. threes because that i know that i can do biking rooms insert into the show so um and i want to hear people's platelets what music do you listen to <unk> assuming you listen to music well calmly and if you don't yes i'm from [laughter] that that that may be a good prompt for you to send us some feedback and that's your play less and uh [noise] other than that uh i'm going to ask william and do you have any final words of with not this week [noise] my [noise] uh yeah actually i do um maybe pretty obvious but i think that whenever you were kind of a language is try to practice saying what you're working with and um you know i don't know if there's any it seems natural for me i always try to pronounce whatever i'm writing and um i've heard people say you know try singing or try just speaking it allowed yourself or whatever but i <unk> i would highly recommend if you don't do that already to try that because um it might give you a feel for you know oh that's really odd how can i make them more like when i'm looking for [noise] um and sometimes just because you type something else will be a person that does speak it unless maybe you're making something for some you <unk> ever would be totally opposite enough [noise] but that's about yourself [noise] [noise] that i think that's good advice i liked the town now my we're more i before i decided to use them because i want to see if they south properly like the language i'm trying to get [noise] mud in any case ah [noise] i'm going to say happy hotlines you haven't been listening to <unk> you can find the <unk> all previous offices at <unk> dot com including links to our future go online and a few resources to help you make sense of today's topic you're also find links to subscribe to us on high dunes or through on upon hackers do our quarter [noise] baseball and google plus pages and a whole lot more questions commonsense suggestions may be sent to <unk> dot com you can also submit those translated greetings we played the top of the show or concerts to display in our head er police evening contribute paid for details [noise] thanks for listening [noise] so i survived this week i'm very happy about that hey i've been to [laughter] madison blew through all sorts of records a hundred and six degrees in middleton a few days ago um <unk> through an unusual and my air conditioner died last sunday through even worse in japan nice man to put in a very expensive capacitor what kind of [laughter] it is used in electronics to moderate charge [noise] and to do things like make fans go and <unk> go go air around [laughter] go round uh my friend got around and oh what's the new version of <unk> yeah i don't know i'm always very careful to check the extra stuff that it wants to load on yeah like <unk> <unk> that wants to download safari and stuff too and i don't want it yeah i don't see any i teams you there's noone knew who views but we've got a lot of um apparently when we show up on the front page that will be will be [laughter] mystery [laughter] sure that's a reasonable expectation but i doubt it i don't know i can see some suicide notes online where you have to do this i trusted you did um while i was <unk> i feel like it was like a like a sprint none of us <unk> usually walk i was i was even though it was my idea i was sort of ambivalent where it because i was worried about um losing the <unk> the aspects of the show which is sort of central to the show but after this discussion and i realize you know when we talk about a linguistics topic we often we say you know this is what happens in natural languages and this is how you can use that yeah this is what i can do in your con line and i i like that it's very important i think that if we're gonna do this splitting the feeling too when we do the linguistics topics we also make sure that we say and this is how you can use that creatively you know not not like rigidly structured like that but you know what i'm saying it talking talk about the linguistic features and stuff from icon language perspective <unk> perspective like i think that uh it's almost like the two different um show approaches one is <unk> linguistics and one is <unk> other online

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