Conlangery #80: Zonal Auxlangs

Conlangery #80: Zonal Auxlangs

Published: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:57:14 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 [noise] <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> [noise] to <unk> to me why am i <unk> [noise] [noise] welcome to con learning languages people wouldn't <unk> burling and overcome [noise] down the street somewhere is william [noise] hello [noise] and we don't have my aunt they um the new orleans [noise] yes [noise] new orleans [noise] at a wedding apparently so um it seems like uh we he wasn't able to swing being on with us today so uh it's just me and william holden cold north how are you william how was your new year it was it good and right after new year i went to l._a. to visit friends and they're having little colds that they were getting into the forties and the evening and everyone was freaking out on the news it was hilarious to watch [laughter] i were a tee shirt and the forty right right that's fine [laughter] uh that's that's that's quite hilarious it it didn't they didn't it didn't happen to a c. d. j. p. well you know that that did not work out i if i'd been thinking well and and playing better i might have been able to various things conflicted that did not exactly sure but i did learn there is a uh a chunk of it's not in <unk> in metro l._a. i don't think it's in los angeles proper where <unk> perfectly normal to see signs in um armenian like neon sign in armenia <unk> armenian that was not the language i was expecting to hear about no there's a large armenian speaking population [noise] uh sometimes immature groups just just end up in the most random places yeah i mean l._a. sort of makes sense because the climate kinda well l._a. is is gonna be able to <unk> yeah it is you're aggravating it yeah it attracted to a lot of different people but i mean like there's the thing about there's money in the upper midwest it's like why would you come simply so cold if you're from the tropics [laughter] yeah it's like why did they come [laughter] [laughter] i mean it was great i mean it means that it's interesting in wisconsin um in order to be acceptable various kinds of government notices er typically in english spanish and among [laughter] yeah which i know nothing about but it's nice to see [laughter] i know that one one thing about the the there's apparently uh i'll be in the <unk> represent uh the viewer nasal no that represents a combination of tone and find them so um i forget how many <unk> <unk> and rather than use accent marks their numbers drummer tone they use illegal <unk> continents oh mark it's [laughter] that's a little insane [laughter] yeah it it it looks a bit funky especially compared to how intense but yet they use [noise] if you're language does not have a quota stops then they decided they would use those to march [noise] [noise] uh wow that's a little crazy it looked pretty uh as someone who tried to <unk> before we had anything but <unk> computers i'm sympathetic to these things probably someone with only a typewriter [laughter] yeah um and and no your characters did this so you get some of these weird <unk> the pop up during a period when you had typewriters um and it was a pain to do anything <unk> skating with them except just straight up text [noise] yeah but anyway that's um maybe some time in the future future mom um you can take classes university so maybe i should hope so [laughter] so uh we'll see about that but uh right now what we're talking about is we have a topic for you guys this is maybe a little bit more of a medic topic it's not so much [noise] helping people to construct languages or anything but it's sort of icon lying uh topic uh we have <unk> so to boil it down um most of our listeners will be familiar with <unk> and <unk> international x. order languages um hey language that is basically developed to be used as a link will frank uh think of <unk> or <unk> or um [noise] a number of other ones [noise] but these <unk> things are a little bit more specific than that rather than like what [noise] it's been out though was originally intended for to be a worldwide language uh <unk> basically are meant for sort of a particular region or a particular area and usually take languages often though take languages from that particular area and sort of combined them in order to get the result right um it it's a little bit more like <unk> <unk> i think was meant to be still somewhat international but it it it it's largely sort of this this romance [noise] [noise] like well yeah it it's sort of uh west european <unk> thing in the sense that an awful lot of english um was also brought into consideration which you know devastated the morphology system [laughter] anything you don't really expect out of a western european language [noise] once you're egging was like no we're not going to do anything whatever [laughter] <unk> english english is is uh very simplified right and and we declined to decline and stuff so um right so a lot of the language that we're to talk about they even though <unk> many of them um aspire to something approximate <unk> natural <unk> sort of taking some average if you will of a particular language region or usually like family [noise] um a lot of them still do simple if i think a lot of um certainly regularity checked out the window [noise] um a lot of the [noise] this word that you know david hate so much a lot of them are <unk> a lot of the intellectual morphology thing horrible things happening <unk> morphology <unk> morphine [laughter] but that but uh that's another topic [laughter] a very subtle distinction that makes my brain [laughter] right so we're speaking about the now the language and so you should be fun so right so even though normal <unk> have universal aspirations even though they might still be quite european certainly has bronco envelope you were both very european [noise] um there's <unk> tried to act as if <unk> inter language between a regional group typically of related languages [noise] um [noise] the two big when the <unk> big tendencies we're to talk about er european and we i found one from africa these people know about these other <unk> other parts of the world like an asian would be fascinating [noise] um uh interesting it would be interesting they may be out there but i don't have you know i did not i don't even know how to say you know <unk> in chinese so didn't occur to me to do a chinese search on that subject [laughter] oh that would even though that might that might crew um fruitful i i don't think the the whole international language [noise] [noise] i think the whole auxiliary language thing was as big in asia i know that in japan there are some uh spread out the speakers nah sure sure and probably the chinese that there's going to <unk> [laughter] he wouldn't speak mandarin [laughter] which which we're all going to do sitting up anyway so [noise] yeah that's true but um yeah um so it's mostly european but you have you have this one example from africa <unk> oh really which is so cute i like that language like [noise] um and it makes me sad that it's hard to find more information on um we've already mentioned inter league what we can make an argument that that is sort of one that's been designed by committee um [noise] <unk> maybe make the argument that liquid from canoga um given it's focused on the romance languages could be thought of as a romance um uh <unk> although i i think it also has um [noise] universal aspirations i forget [noise] well i mean we have to kind of think about the the methodology versus the the um the actual aspirations i think it's it's a very met uh making this distinction between general <unk> because yeah i spent though is basically just a mish mash of european languages with what its own uh uh created grammar right on top of that so you could think of it <unk> sort of the method of reading it but it <unk> was universal yes but i think for most of what we're talking about here is the aspiration matters a lot yeah what are you trying to do um and typically what is trying to do is a regional rather than universal yeah and that's important i think that i think the intent and the aspiration the really significant distinction that we say and broncos effectively as on walks laying in the sense that it is basically of european [noise] construction although the <unk> [laughter] <unk> morphology um is kind of more <unk> incorrectly <unk> not a very european mold but still the a lot of mexicans metrics or basically er [noise] um so do you wanna move on to the [noise] the first <unk> yeah so you have you have uh a number uh you have these sort of organized and sort of your first your first category as a bunch of germanic language [noise] yep or your dramatic some locks once they're not traumatic languages per se but they're based on traumatic language right um and starting in the eighteen hundreds quite a few of these reproduced [laughter] probably people are still producing them um one that was invented in nineteen sixty five it's called the euro no word [noise] um and it's based on english dutch german norwegian danish swedish sooner legion danish swedish and effectively one branch in german and dutch jumping into another inch and then there's <unk> no i i just mentioned this because you can see an example of the language and <unk> it's hard to get more detail mm [noise] um but it's it's nice example of one sort of pre internet [noise] then you could get um i'm an <unk> a little bit around them i missed your <unk> then there's one called the two taught english which reading about these days is kind of anxiety causing 'cause there's lots of talk about area in the area and race oh dear [laughter] i mean it wasn't it was invented uh pre barely uh pre nazi um and this one is interesting because the guy kept churning out books and i don't know who was publishing these books i didn't have time to look into that i'm wondering if he had [noise] some sort of ah independent source of wealth let him do this and he was very interested to have this language replaced english and german so this is a more modest go he was um blending german i spoken in germany and english okay and he kept her wisely and coming out with new books um it'd be really interesting to know um yeah how all these books published mhm yeah it's um [noise] i don't know people people published some interesting things no sure but a publisher had to decide to do this and you know putting out hardcover book especially in you know the early nineteen hundreds of not exactly cheap yeah i i i understand that it's not it's it's not as <unk> it wasn't as easy to publish things now but i don't know he may have had his own money or something so uh that's an interesting thing to look yet um obviously <unk> flipping through the book it kind of gets uh <unk> uh uh wings before you really seen much linguistic material oh oh yeah i know he's going on and on about what is necessary and all that alarming talk about races um he also created an inter romance version of the language [noise] um which was <unk> which is i i don't know kind of him thoughtful something [laughter] um i honestly looking at so a bunch of his books are in our contract or mhm um and we don't have a link to some of them and looking at the roman <unk> honestly makes me think of you dish mhm [noise] [laughter] so anyway [noise] [noise] huh that's interesting [laughter] yeah probably not be a fact he was aiming it [laughter] yeah [laughter] unless um <unk> <unk> only four of the books are on currently on archive dot org and they were at least twice as many than he published on this subject with various revisions [noise] um she can do the <unk> honestly i think it would be interesting and and maybe someone can do this is just look into the history and this guy and find out what his deal was and when he was trying to accomplish i mean he says an awful lot about what he's trying to accomplish but i'm still trying to figure out on a refunding all these books [noise] could we could we could do um help us so cost research it maybe maybe we'll future this margaret <unk> go over the whole history of it yeah it's it's i mean it it it is very matter but it isn't [laughter] i don't yeah i mean it's it's interesting it it it may be a little bit disturbing it points given given the language right um what's this uh frankie frankie <unk> is <unk> um the guy keeps turning out various kinds of of these languages um you've got one that [noise] some scandinavian thing uh the reason i like a friend is is because he has nothing to do the grammar um which looks kinda nifty if well published in the sense of nicely edited it looks good [noise] um you can see a nice long examples of everything that he's trying to do [noise] um so you haven't grammar mhm and all that stuff and this brings up the interesting point to me about the uh a lot of these uh dramatic <unk> i just love to see what they decide to do with a definite article [noise] oh really [noise] um it's quite different in different dramatically right most of them [noise] somebody early had the idea that we're just going to turn it into <unk> d. e. [noise] um or however you your language is going to pronounce that <unk> appears to be [noise] how <unk> do we have lots of them go uh-huh um so yeah so take out any of the gender markings are cage marking yes german yeah makes sense [noise] oh what a nice sense and you <unk> folk you hate or people [laughter] <unk> loud men are singing loudly some good <unk> hot him uh method should or mood or has he <unk> her mother [laughter] unimportant question [laughter] ah and i'm not i'm not sure if your parents or whatever every sentence gives me time getting meet dean clayton give me your clothes [laughter] there'll be so stupid yeah so that i liked examples and entertaining you will fly to singapore yeah [noise] we could we could we could mind some of these for uh features in the future but we're just kind of going over a big chunk of them now yeah i don't know what we need to talk about it and all of the dramatic things you get right we're gonna have a nice long section on your motive verbs [noise] all of that stuff that we own recognize um do we ever [laughter] i'd be interesting to see if any of these have um actually kept [noise] things like strong <unk> yes if you if <unk> look on page twenty one of the <unk> um he doesn't fact include stronger so ah let's find one that i have some small chance of pronouncing properly so there were the verb too bind class three he's been dead for infinity and printed recently bond is <unk> is the perfect that drink drunks drunken been disarmed phoned in that sort of things you expect [laughter] oh nice stinkers stumps duncan or just stink that's useful [noise] um and that's another question is when you do one of these languages how much do you try to simplify and [noise] to accommodate a lot of different learners and some simplify a great deal and some don't so much at all infringes we see here's one that they decided ups in wild <unk> mhm um and then there's really <unk> really the best known among your average calling or is going to be folks rock which is an ongoing and frankly rather chaotic project it started in nineteen ninety nine um the mail and most of the um activity happens on a mailing list and that mailing list it's still going strong although it looks like the peak of interest and discussion and development was in two thousand five yeah well some of these things kind of don't get too far [noise] right this one is still going and there are infects two different with the books about learning folks brought one in english and one in german [noise] oh okay and the german one's more up to date apparently but the thing is it's very chaotic in the sense that different people have different ideas so everyone has their own private idiot <unk> the impression i get mhm [noise] which may or may not be fatal for mutual comprehension again it depends on what you're <unk> you know <unk> <unk> on how things are gone um why don't we move on 'em and talk about their <unk> impressive less here um uh <unk> uh <unk> and i love <unk> i don't know why but i love them first of all the slavic languages are have a reasonably high degree of mutual um <unk> any way especially written guessing um so going back to the sixteen hundreds it has occurred to people that they should come up with some sort of media and you did the mood or the meaning of of all of a slavic languages and use that so that all this <unk> um one even make an argument that old troops <unk> which was invented long before the sixteen hundreds i think that you know the eight hundred eight hundred um actually um is if the very least it's a <unk> it is a mix of various um teachers are different slavic languages oh interesting [noise] um [noise] [noise] yes in the eight hundred <unk> went <unk> sort of come together and [noise] often provides the basis for these modern um <unk> [noise] so there are various approaches one diagnostic [noise] or these languages how much <unk> digested russian isn't mhm [noise] so i'm having quite a lot of russians sensitive by far the largest islamic languages yeah russian russia has a lot of power yet <unk> lots of speaker [noise] lots of times [noise] um and then the other approach um involved started with those sorts of ironic and doing things to it mhm um and then the the third way sort of generally is to take a representative list of the different branches of the smaller families and somehow average the vocabulary mhm and and go that way um probably the early in the internet era slavic <unk> it's called <unk> and it has a nice long and contentious history it is basically a slavic <unk> slavic effectively russian vocabulary roots with ah aspirin told mechanics mhm um the guy who invented ah who invented it has a certain hostility to all subsequent um schemes like to see things are copying indians cranky [noise] about it um i don't know how many people are actually artisans of slow view at this point he has a very ancient uh like late nineties web design a website for the language yeah i see that and it's weird um yeah little he has stuff in english as well as i guess in <unk> both been roman <unk> and that's another thing that a lot of these um slavic <unk> to do is they have multiple or soccer iffy to accommodate different groups yeah of course um i think we all start using look all it took again [laughter] um people people who like riding system should look up <unk> it was one of the first oh for best that ever entrenched me um it's a little bit unwieldy frankly but i think it looks cool [laughter] ah i will try to look that up later yeah i'm looking at the <unk> he he's in typical <unk> he's he's kind of um hostile to other you talk about um i was brought up and he said well let's brought there was a simple language it's main problem is the fact that it's made up of too many unrelated languages and us if you speak <unk> no one will understand you only other restaurants [laughter] right as as this really <unk> i guess i guess um i maybe he has more <unk> with other slavic languages with <unk> but i don't know uh the impression i get from other people and again these are people um who are artisans of other interest slavic languages um say because of the <unk> grammar as spur onto like grammar and that it's <unk> <unk> it makes it quite difficult although it's actually <unk> stuff um concealed a lot <unk> more than it reveals yeah um we have also um ah we're going to recommend um uh yeah <unk> yeah did a presentation on [noise] is it on just these slavic <unk> and journal or no he he he talks about a number of things but he's talking about a particular interest slavic project we're about to get to <unk> um is it mostly thing he also has an enormous annotated list of all of these inner slavic languages which is great yeah we had it was a nice documentary history of these i really wish someone would do the same thing for german or the german <unk> 'cause i couldn't find one yeah that would that would be helpful just just it just as a and point of intellectual history it'd be interesting to see that list as well [noise] there is a there's a a better list actually on the <unk> of these various germanic you know <unk> it's surprising not seem more grow much cause i can think of <unk> a lot of <unk> that are based on romance but i think often are romance based on a._o._l. right i think they're mostly sort of universal <unk> things like <unk> <unk> and uh <unk> uh <unk> right right right um [noise] so we're the next one [noise] so there's um there have been various projects we said we have some start with an average sort of slavic features and simplified something in there are others that take all sorts of loving and try to regular always now [noise] both of these processors result in languages that look remarkably similar mhm which is probably not terribly surprising and various projects [noise] um two big projects in particular him or <unk> in into <unk> gets called inter slavic and i think that the the word interest slavic is muddled on intermingling that name [noise] and they're [noise] i think there are two main things at this point and they kind of claim to share um vocabulary they have their own website that publishes news um and it's and if you had another website that has everything in english and two variances in her slavic to intervene in salt lake and um [noise] where they got they got their own thinks is russian by the way [laughter] again not surprise me what's entertaining is they've gotten grants from various arms of what looks like the <unk> government supports them this work really and i think again the idea is quite like <unk> the idea is to make certain kinds of research available in this inter slavic then that could be logical you educated public speaking peoples throughout the slavic isn't that interesting um you can get it published books on <unk> there's also a web tutorial um if you go to the google books site you can get the news the bombing tutorial downloaded to the big idiot [noise] um and unfortunately he has to spend some time at the beginning of the book taking pot shots at a restaurant which always makes me crappy but you expect them to [laughter] <unk> even though no oxnard but every single one of 'em on skim through it almost um the biggest the biggest one or it is the biggest one of the room everyone has to yeah [noise] um but it's a very <unk> [noise] it's a really good grammar it describes a lot of stuff i sort of wish there were more uh <unk> not examples i wish there were more like homework and it was through more example sentences and things to translate but at the end of each of these lessons [noise] again i am a native speaker english and i don't i i tried to learn russian once when i was a kid but i i really didn't very much so probably for a speaker of assaulted language assimilating all of this stuff is very easy without the need for practice but for the rest of us who might find it just cute to learn when these languages [noise] um [noise] it's a little bit harder i mean we do have a link uh-huh already since we have a link to a young i'm stay wreck and talking about sort of in salt lake in relation to other sorts of philosophical questions about how you classify invested languages mhm um while we were doing this i'd forgotten about another kind of <unk> and [noise] um which has a name i can't pronounce [laughter] can you paste it and the doctor i just did um it called <unk> we'll go with the <unk> which is modern indoor european oh yes yes it is tempting to revive [laughter] [laughter] [noise] <unk> of the entire european beginning zone apparently um it has a huge website large large documents um ever tell you how to pronounce this name the n. g. h. u. yes it's supposed to be a <unk> and so it should be <unk> who <unk> who <unk> who who you know that's an aspirin it yes the boys aspirin would be some bread the worst thing but anyway yes we are the those one of those but um we know was around and and and in the european but why they chose that 'cause those are kinda hard <unk> yes [laughter] it's very difficult then who right so there i would be very interested i i don't know a whole lot about in in a link and european history but i know like a few things and i'd be interested in too like um what did they do with the <unk> and stuff right and um i think thing that we just don't know i think they <unk> i forget um we didn't actually sort of interesting if you want a summary of some idea of reasonably current ownership about what the european looked like mhm maybe as a starting point for some fun of your own this is a really good resource for that yeah just the information is i mean you without getting into the weirdness of this person or person skiing so lightly exotic they <unk> they they really want this this to be revived over the entire in the european spear from from the british isles all the way to ah well from the america's <unk> way to ah india evidently that would be a little crazy [laughter] that would be crazy and we'd have lots of people who are very very angry because [noise] many <unk> you know wants to be easy to learn [noise] but this wouldn't make the effort to be easy to learn because the grammar <unk> printing europeans quite complex and stuff [laughter] shouldn't [noise] and they're quite mercilessly [noise] yes [noise] [noise] [laughter] they just they just kind of okay this is what we have reconstructed oh and that's where we <unk> yeah um so it's kinda fun <unk> they [noise] [noise] i find <unk> getting the website frankly a little exasperating sometimes but it it's worth it to to dig into the information if you're interested in that yeah it's uh it's like a week he style but ah kind that has some issues [noise] it does have some <unk> some using <unk> anyway so i that i just i don't have much more to say about that i just remembered that it's something that rhyme or is a book it is a book [noise] um <unk> you can find or download it and the huge media um or hinder over [noise] there there is there's an eat pub but whatever we can worrying about formats many formats or made available they recently whoever's behind this is very intelligent and industries uh they really they they do what you are pushing they really hard so that's that's an interesting thing um we have and then we have here <unk> i really and then sit in the late sixties early seventies by uh <unk> <unk> [noise] [noise] yes people from ghana yeah she's from god ghanaian is one pronunciation of that were uh <unk> me too but um apparently he was taking a trip across the street's of dover and decided that i don't know what what what about that maybe these hearing english infringing company decided [noise] africa needed a unifying language so he made one um what strikes me actually is uh um so after <unk> very heavily influenced by <unk> you like right is she looks like it yet um but [noise] why she really is like already almost like you're like well <unk> there's not that many native speakers mostly use as like a cracker around certain parts of africa right right that's a very good point and i don't know why he didn't do that um it's i think it's likely that there is stuff from a common languages and also it went mhm uh in the language which is i think it's his native language mhm uh yeah but it's like sweet swahili without the very complicated except system um yeah i guess i guess he he wanted to simplify swahili partly even more [noise] and also um bring brought in some english stuff and it does seem <unk> english semantics get smuggled in various ways so just from an earth obviously standpoint i love it because it includes the both high and low mid vow so a <unk> and all and all and those are indeed and the <unk> with the little salon and little backward see yeah i <unk> you know the i'd be a <unk> for those which you know screens this is an african language yeah i thought that was cute um but the verb system just looks like he been tortured a lot in english so you have everything you expect an english wherever you have a a present president progressive uh present eventual future and he just it's very scheme addict and very england including things like the perfect continue yes which just uh so many <unk> i don't know i don't know that's that's really <unk> uh right um the the one thing that he's got a past marker i ended up past consecutive which basically just mean and then so you <unk> been on a path then subsequent subsequent events use the the african suck you do [noise] um and then the conditional isn't the subject to um which are a little bit less english <unk> to me the most interesting part is just the derivation all system mhm because it's definitely not english and i would love to know where all these things are come from yeah for example there's are suffix t. leg which means never to do again so that the verb so now he needs to get drunk but <unk> means never did you get drunk again [noise] <unk> which seems that's interesting yeah um yeah i still uh it's very interesting that he felt the need for this but was familiar with <unk> because because i just i just think about it and i remember from the book <unk> um yes made like something like ninety percent of the use of swahili use as a linguist frank so they're kind of already have it but then people make the universe list um the the universe list um uh <unk> even the english is basically taken that role <unk> all over the world so um i understand you know there is still be the impulse to improve or to make something that is truly neutral or something right right yeah and that's the you know the big thing trying to make something truly neutral um [noise] uh what was going to say yeah you might have had objections is waiting for some reason now at least it which is kind of complicated you have to learn the classes to know yeah um and it's really only used in most strongly in west central africa doesn't extend very far north or south yeah it's it's only uh uh uh small part of africa and he may be trying to unite more people right but uh that's it's very interesting um i don't know we don't really have any other examples year though i think we probably don't have an exhaustive list you're just because we don't none of them and patients on how much we can research and how much we can talk about but right i would ah encourage readers to um give us more examples of these things 'cause i know it'd be nice and the <unk> the year but more than i am especially interesting ones that come from places other than europe yeah if you if you know uh <unk> in in asia or more of them and africa or um probably not going to find any in the america is because that that would be a little odd [noise] <unk> um i have to admit that ah [noise] i sometimes <unk> the only place that they <unk> <unk> is likely to be really embraced wouldn't be among a native american first nations groups in the united states and canada [noise] really because right now is your travel business conduct an english constantly <unk> parts of canada [noise] but if they wanted to get away from that there has to pick something because i can tell your now that even though there are some of the language is that a very strong and in theory it could be used for the <unk> purpose [noise] um i think your average hope he would walk across the entire city of the continent and drink a bucket of warm spit before they would <unk> well yeah i mean <unk> think about the <unk> none of those languages are currently use really as uh uh <unk> anywhere right well we <unk> we had some places that looks like we were <unk> were developed there was some uh [noise] uh <unk> yeah there were the raging which is yeah shouldn't shouldn't jargon and yeah um but like currently there's none that are that ride their all they're all very small languages that are all very intensely identified with uh a particular ethnic group right so you'd have to you would you would maybe have to do it <unk> if they if they wanted to go that that way yeah i have some type of thought about this but it was <unk> for all of north america would be almost impossible because there are such radically different language family it's extremely diverse leesburg it'd be it'd be a little tricky because there's there's lots of different <unk> yet at least two hundred and fifty different languages oh we're america and multiple language family yeah and many lakers fan yeah um uh south america and and even like mexico they could revive uh <unk> uh <unk> in fact they're they're trying to standardize now i i think they're <unk> they're still very starlet constitute several million speakers yes um [noise] it's just that um they've been isolated from each other for so long that they're starting drift apart and the different languages and uh the mind languages are drifting have drifted apart and <unk> thoroughly i think they were already drifted apart yeah um if you make one for the <unk> mountains you can easily revised catch for her that widely used already yeah yeah um but in terms of yeah i don't know i mean uh to uh the berries language that the <unk> is it to to be family <unk> was <unk> i wonder i wonder how much 'cause whiny is still it actually has coach social status and park why why don't you yes i think it is the only native language apart from made me <unk> that has people primarily europeans destruction learning it yeah it's it's [noise] um [noise] from what i understand <unk> why um bilingualism in uh spanish and caught on me is very very common and the population is like ninety percent <unk> all right well then they don't need <unk> yeah they're they're fine right in our country [laughter] so i mean that's that's an interesting thing ah also like it it's hard to imagine like an australian <unk> getting together 'cause those groups are also still very small groups with many different languages [noise] yeah i don't know i don't know how commonly [noise] it would be interesting what would be interesting actually is um an oscar nation <unk> oh my god the problem is is you have things like um [noise] took all look on the one hand which still has uh the <unk> and then way off the other and you get hawaii which is completely destroyed that system or something frankly that it's more comprehensible to me [noise] um so they don't you get something that looked an awful lot like honey and language i think yeah <unk> it would be it it'd be very interesting well i mean if someone said indonesian is already like israel yeah in the in the nation is is too to some extent though indonesian is really just my leg so yeah mainly with stuff that's it's it's it's a different standard <unk> yeah um and and like swahili the number of people who speaking native leave versus who use it in their day to day business life is quite striking lee different mhm [noise] yeah it's it's hard to think of like there's there's a whole lot of stuff to deal with like i mean <unk> it has a certain cachet like on the street in the philippines but people use english for for government um ah ah academic scholarship and everything you know things like that so uh but um in any case i don't think none of this really stops people from <unk> proposing me so i wouldn't be [laughter] things are around yeah i haven't i haven't heard about it in some sense it'd be really difficult where you have very different language families sitting next to each other and attempting to unite that in some way [noise] all of the ones we've been discussing so far are things that are effectively <unk> exception about really [noise] they are for the most part merging related languages yeah sometimes quite closely related like also some time uh for for some of them like the modern into european is doing a little bit out her in trying to unite the gigantic super paranoid so right right i don't know it would be very interesting to see see once from asia different ones from africa so once from other parts of the world ah and see sort of how <unk> yeah yeah absolutely absolutely so i think maybe we should close this episode out with uh an email i've been sitting <unk> on this email for too long [noise] uh [noise] uh i i wanna say we don't really have like a pack log of emails it's just that some of them i feel like saving some time for a nap to put on top of them so it and then later on i look back and i'm like oh i must i just sitting on that one so i'm a i'm a uh uh unless we get a lot more emails and we we do i do like the emails <unk> dot com um [noise] i may be going back some of these ones that i was saving and then <unk> uh because i'm realizing you know it may just be good to just read this so this one says beard george mike and d. j. p. at all so that tells you pretty much exactly when that came [laughter] ah it's from robert uh says perhaps it's not a topic worthy of an entire episode i thought i'd ask and maybe some time in feedback you'll tell me a better way to go about learning and you guys do an episode on um [noise] i've studied english german french [noise] check japanese and korean i think he put english in print see so i presume native maybe [laughter] um so tone is never come up i can almost hear them but i can never produced um with any degree of students neat [noise] there are a few sounds i don't think i am articulate incorrectly each <unk> uh fringe realization so i never include them in my <unk> the same is true with town i remember william repeating <unk> repeatedly suggested we right up to ten language and i couldn't find any examples listen to on line can you guys maybe do a crack become thanks for making a great show so regularly george is a good search in new york that's a joke that david mann at one [laughter] um so insurance there's two questions here one is us doing an episode about tone second of all how on earth do you learn to produce them and recognizing yes i think i think we could easily do entire episode on town yeah um especially if we look for that in the future yeah if we if we go into different uh types of term systems intestines system turn genesis we can have lots of fun yeah um um as far as learning them ah i really think ah a big thing to do is to just start learning a tonal language and get lots of practice um it's very very easy to find uh resources to learn mandarin chinese um um but you don't have to go that way you can go with uh probably recently accessible to learn cantonese or thai vietnamese um you sort of depends on what's available for you and what what's what's interesting to you um if you don't want to do the full contour time systems there are a lot of um there are a lot of languages but have the two or three times systems that are that might be a little bit easier for you to ah understand [noise] there are some nice exist so another who has two tone system in on you to there are some videos if you search on number language [noise] where people do things like give the weather report in <unk> and then have the text up on the street oh that's nice yeah well um and i got in the ah sure ah put that in the sherman oaks i will put that as a link after his email and then another good language i don't know if there's any good um references for this is <unk> is the classic example of uh three tone system but i had less good luck trying to find information about you don't have 'em on yeah that's why i was think shifting chinese not so much because i like chaney and all that but everybody's trying to learn chinese right now yeah and everybody on the internet is making chinese lessons either free or ah or pay so it's very easy to find resources to learn it so it it just sort of depends on where you want to uh go with things [noise] yeah [noise] um [noise] yeah unfortunately for producing toned <unk> <unk> that's your own and probably for any of these phonetics things you just have to get a little deeper into maybe language you're not interested necessarily learning would provide the gateway to learning about that [noise] you know you wanna learn if you want to learn <unk> and you're stuck with an arabic yeah it's <unk> that's true i mean we can tell you the stuff and when we do uh i think we'll save this <unk> when we do a tone episode i feel like we've done to tone up so maybe we just talked about it in in contact of like the super sick mental thing or <unk> or something [noise] um we'll we'll talk about like the five five levels and all that stuff so that you can <unk> that might give you a little bit more information on how tone works at least <unk> the way uh for knowledge just deal with it analyzing it then that might help you a little bit with recognizing the it's just but really uh it just takes a while to learn how to internalize at and listen to it and listening to uh i think listening to the tunnel systems have different languages is can be a little bit different because [noise] um although there is like this particular like formula tons follows with the five levels of um ah ah pet um i think sometimes depending on the tone system that space may actually be wider or narrower so [noise] yeah you never know how white man that was going to be in that as often quite distinctly from language language yes uh i i just like um i've noticed that mandarin speakers and cantonese speakers have different cantonese speakers have like a wider range of pictures that they use that they have to have so many tone distinction yeah mandarin you actually don't mean the uh actual relatives pictures as much because the concourse tell you all the information about <unk> right right um but we don't talk more about that in uh a full episode uh that's a really good suggestion and uh <unk> not enough <unk> tunnel languages i think uh people are kind of afraid of it because it it's it is different from the language is that most humbling you're familiar with for the language but most <unk> [noise] ah i over used them but that's just because i was exposed [noise] first of all i studied mainly chinese for several years and then i love it which is the tumbling which is yeah well [noise] this guy is studying japanese so he at least knows [noise] protests pitch accent but then that might help you'll lose and i don't know a little bit to ah the screen protects us too i have no idea what korean [noise] accent system or <unk> or yeah accents or just like [noise] uh i don't know [noise] uh <unk> anywhere that does it for the simple soon i'm going to ask williams really on on here you have any final words it was [noise] nobody's them for me today uh [noise] i'm going to say happy <unk> thank you for listening to <unk> you could find our our cars it's your nose at <unk> dot com you can send questions comments <unk> topic or featured language suggestion [noise] two conway angry i g mailbox off [noise] to submit a con langhorn outlying breeding for the top of the show see our contributing hatred detailed [noise] web space for <unk> 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