Conlangery #86: Himmaswa

Conlangery #86: Himmaswa

Published: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:38:45 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 good to meet them dust but all that stuff the ports cost you to <unk> <unk> [noise] that come through congress <unk> languages we create them aren't <unk> ah <unk> down the road ways is william man that's [noise] and [noise] over in maine we have <unk> uh are you guys doing [noise] judge very well dandy how're you doing to [noise] uh william was um was was <unk> what his what his issues with the word boyfriend maybe we should um we should maybe we should uh we should put out to <unk> to put out what their words in their languages are for like the equivalent relationship someone that you're dating you're not uh near not quite that serious with yeah right right so <unk> oldest all like do you like them like them or just like them right so uh yes expressive rehabilitation um [laughter] i mean i am certainly not the first person to observe this other people have talked about it i've heard it on the radio um i don't like calling necessarily the guy i'm dating my boyfriend 'cause i'm in my forties not a true best girl boy but i mean most people don't even stop to think about it so that's just my language obsession but there's no good words i recently have been trying to resuscitate concert but he was having none of that but you know we're kind of language we makeup word <unk> and we can make 'em all sorts of words but we have to get people to adopt fellows what you what you call this this type of relationship in your car like yeah that'd be good if you have be fun but actually today we're not going to be talking about that we are talking about this little featured on line today uh we are going to talk about <unk> ah um so <unk> ah well it's the bell up by um a guy who goes by someone who goes by the <unk> on <unk> and um i don't have uh um another name for this person i don't even know the guy or a girl who think it's a guy but i'm not sure this vigil yes online but anyway uh who put it on the list um normally i am known for disliking invented scripts but i like his quite a lot it's okay it's obviously inspired by um sort of seal script style chinese in my opinion and yet it's still different enough to make it interesting and not me a copy of that so that's how it got on the news and there's an interesting grammatical stuff going on yeah um that is actually an interesting thing i've seen his script before it's one of the strips that will appear on the head or randomly and when you see it you'll notice you're <unk> you're recognize it immediately because it does have a very chinese of static and looking at the script is called <unk> if i pronounce that anywhere close to right i think you need to open that a little bit that's okay yeah well uh shoot sheer swap whatever goes uh good at what really troubles me is the <unk> followed by an aspirin okay but uh anyway this is a really interesting it does look like it's very much inspired by the structure of chinese renting as well and that you have the um the fanatic [noise] <unk> compounds compounding characters are combined characters mhm <unk> no magic mountain to give you an idea of how to pronounce things um but it's still different enough but it's ah interesting one thing about um lower graphic script that like one reason i <unk> i i don't really do scripts that much but i've never really even consider doing it <unk> seems like it adds that much more work a lot more work learning what you're doing this language appears to have a very long history mhm i i don't have the link but somewhere <unk> for um there was mentioned overcome this language happening in nineteen ninety nine wow yeah that helps i don't know if he started off with a script right away or just his um funky <unk> system or or what i don't remember that offhand but the language is a long history so i think if you're going to go with a lot of credit rating system don't be in a rush [laughter] known imagine you're going to get direct results quickly well <unk> it's gonna be something that you build as you go and um building upon the <unk> similar principles to chinese i think is is useful for that because um [noise] one thing about that kind of system is it's completely open ended mhm so you can <unk> you can coin characters as you go along yeah although you know depending on how realistic you want to be you may have like your issues of um at what point in history do i want this phonetic uh component to actually make any sense mhm because uh obviously i've said before with the thing with chinese as some of these characters are three thousand years old and the fanatics don't make any sense anymore [noise] we'll have to hesitate to say they don't make sense they just the mapping is not always clear it's it's drifted apart it's it's always approximate and the first place anyway but it's it's it drifts away over time i mean um one thing also like chinese although it's more complex is um overtime he settled on a collection of stroke types that are all combine together to produce the characters and those deviate in some pretty significant ways from have chinese is written which is one of the things that helps too [noise] yeah english the appearance from just straight up seal script in this breakdown of ah six basic stroke types with multiple sort of some types of them yeah it gives it gives it an extra character and um [noise] i think really pay uh a good thing to do you think about when thinking about the aesthetic severe riding system is to consider the strokes that are used [noise] um it's probably more useful in a um and in longer graphic strip because and enough about extra you just have straight up a limited number of some system symbols anyway yeah um but still like if you look at um you know the <unk> but really depending on his style it's generally just a very limited set of strokes that are being used uh once you when you try to break down the <unk> the ah individual letter so um i think that would be true about about any language they all end up with their aesthetic probably deriving from the implements used in writing and um other such things and what's easiest too right given a certain implement or certain technique yeah um so getting more into the language itself um i don't know i looked at it he has a good deal of knowledge she's stuff um lots of vowels and lots of uh super signals on vowels he has <unk> voice on all vowels and then um two cents yeah and um and he just has a giant short of different vowels i like uh the way he laid that out oh man i forgot we have the the <unk> series as well yeah he has a <unk> there's erotic series uh there's long uh <unk> which is like um it though yeah there's there's three types of their songs or <unk> uh fronting censoring in backing basically um the <unk> and the first is is the uh <unk> uh i like uh [noise] while lied and on the backing the the <unk> is uh uh w. sun <unk> [noise] so that's interesting so you see a lot of different songs here and he also has uh a couple of trips songs and i'm not sure exactly how he uh he's associating each of these associating these with um with vowels in a particular way but there's [noise] weird like the the <unk> version of the fronting under the ah actually become becomes an actually you know i right right yeah but the creaky it remains ah i that's uh an interesting bit and he has a lot of it looks like um interesting sort of it's seems natural looking to have some some of these holes in the thing i i'd have to really look at it much more carefully to see and he also has a giant chart of legal onset one interesting thing about the <unk> voice serious for the short bottles [noise] is it looks like there must be some conception that historically um that's coming from a quota h. first because in his room and his <unk> indicated <unk> h. <unk> some of the vowels um in addition to having <unk> boys have uh uh <unk> <unk> oh yeah so <unk> you've had a <unk> i can't even take <unk> you have the <unk> out at the end of the two front levels yeah you know <unk> and <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> you [noise] that's interesting yeah um i <unk> uh yeah you know that that makes sense it's interesting um nothing nothing so much coming <unk> happening like that was from the <unk> the though you may have a circle um motivation for the <unk> voice as well um he doesn't show up too much uh i like big charts because you see the gap's very easily yeah um it's it's interesting to see um see gaps in his the the available on sets uh it looks like there's you know the very common name was simulation going on a little bit no actually no there's not muslim simulation going on i was lying yeah i was surprised by that little bit but not impossible mhm do you there's actually like a nice <unk> block of every nasal goes with every stop and africa that looks lines so that's interesting but <unk> <unk> don't combined with each other nasal stunk mine was for creative or <unk> or residence yeah yeah so that's that's an interesting uh thing that you can when you have this chart that shows the uh it <unk> the two combined with l. but that's which is a random thing so when you have this charge you can see okay what there's this giant whole wasn't a chart why's that yeah oh so there's a there there's all sorts of things and um uh h. l. and the <unk> are all very um uh restricted and as far as being initials uh in of a um an onset cluster so it's it's just interesting to see the the all the different things and the fact that he organized as fond of texas into a truck helps helps to see you know all these little oddities and the language uh this must have been murder if he if he tried to program this an awkward [laughter] yeah i would guess that did not 'cause it's [laughter] it's complicated i confess to some of these clusters i have no idea how to pronounce so i'm a little disappointed we couldn't schedule attempt the inventor own because some of these things i would love to have demonstrated for me yeah how how do you do uh w._b. is an initial plus er i have no idea wow wow <unk> i don't know you can either that's fine whatever um uh uh associated um you can have a <unk> a big words but there are plenty of <unk> um and they're very cereals for stress in addition to stress there is <unk> which is determined entirely behind that level type so it's perfectly predictable mm okay so maybe at the beginning of time system yeah and it makes as you might expect many uh vivid films are into places where the <unk> mm okay um and weird foundation types the cubs attempt changes well so <unk> roses change these as well which is pretty expected it's a little bit weird to say to smell always says hi to them this will always has a rising to him but [noise] mhm [noise] uh just sort of looking down through fruits things yeah that is a little unusual that ah the tone is completely <unk> predictable from the vowel yeah um i would almost expect like third to start to be some toned spreading that would start to eliminate that but i don't know um [noise] uh there's a uh so there is like school for um but there is also <unk> which he doesn't really go into that much uh trying to think of i don't know what else did you guys find interesting maybe we could move on from uh from the phonology and look at some other things i'm sort of scanning through the morphology sports now yep um in general the language has isolating an analytic tendencies <unk> into that [noise] just from the standpoint of the <unk> they have no marketing for gender or number there is an awful floral marker which is related to the verb needing to be numerous oh that's what's interesting is that we can also be used as an associate <unk> so if you you know say george and this game that it means georgian than the people with it [noise] [laughter] oh yeah that's that's a a useful thing i think it is and everything i'm surprised that it has the same word cheap as the standard were meeting many but that's okay [noise] [noise] i think i have heard that half of that happening in other languages okay we're not not the not that it has the same word shape is meaning many but that has the same <unk> okay all right maybe uh i'd have to look up to see what line yeah did you think to go look that up before we started [noise] there's a there's a third person <unk> uh pro now i'm trying to think figure out what exactly uh is uh um like i didn't feel like some <unk> credit or is that you could have like [noise] yeah it is the only you'd have to do with how is the third person pronoun is used prop up relative clauses um <unk> the addition is is the digital through <unk> additional kind of diversion front is necessary for clarity i mean even games uh <unk> what it might be in what might lead to the form [noise] um the <unk> again very standard pronouns for language like this is you have they basically act like nine pounds in almost every way um and there are some uh uh a large number one in a large number there's more than one first person from that for example you have or cake and dialect for them um and these become interesting because you can get in companies that do this you can just <unk> create something coming up with all sorts of <unk> this one seems pretty restrain [noise] george is grilling yeah relative clauses looks fairly standard there's an optional relative pronoun <unk> not too much going on with um oh this is interesting our cake or dialect <unk> pronounce or a few pronouns which are now our <unk> only in dialects or formal language mhm so there's a i don't think uh <unk> how far okay there were some of these were okay so see ones that are current uh quite dual dual bull uh karen and we uh i'm probably butchering those were originally topic pronounce he says and i'm saying why <unk> and me were there non topic <unk> and then the distinction was lost so that's an interesting thing that uh that these these obsolete pronouns still up here in certain dialects or informal language this was right there you know i likes decided to go with the topic pronouns everywhere and editors decided to go with the non topic everywhere which is very common sort of split to happen so yeah that could that could that that makes sense is something you know realistic that could happen to language um uh i think um actually said happened was spanish and in second person a lot so there's there's so many different thing different ways to to different um yeah conventions on second person pronouns i won't get into three wages <unk> monster gyms yeah there's um [noise] this that and that over there but it's like <unk> i think actually a lot of levels yeah plenty plenty of <unk> mhm uh chinese is too i i don't know i i just randomly thinker transferable but um yeah i think <unk> so um [noise] and go ahead no you go ahead well i would like to jump to the verb so we have anything else slip to say yeah those are the kind of where my brain wow i like the verbs yeah okay let's let's let's talk about the verbs here so they obviously it's a [noise] it's leading analytical language so there's not a lot of instructions say he's helping rooms of various sorts um and hosted in pre mhm particles what's interesting is that there's a semantic distinction between dynamic perfect and state of <unk> and they interact with the <unk> in different ways um so this is a really nice touch of hair raising and complicating <unk> [laughter] <unk> [laughter] so for example that edit verbs contained no inherent aspect they may be placed really into perfect perfect aspect or any other um uh-huh whereas perfect verbs containment here perfect aspect in state of verbs harking eight inherent continuous aspect um and the the state of verbs looked like what normally state of herbs or things like um <unk> like be read or be the same [noise] but um things like <unk> or possess but also own or possess that's an interesting one um there's also speak converse uh paying which uh <unk> as opposed to the dynamic uh hit uh speak say so that's an interesting thing that you have <unk> uh and you know <unk> between having hold and own and possess that may be why there's a dynamic and and the stadium with that similar meaning yeah yeah well you can see that some of them have um no somehow <unk> terms of like no i thought was a <unk> like ah i think uh i think might be worth it um it looks like there's also possibly a <unk> way to turn stadium into perfect there's um cat and then uh what's the <unk> <unk> <unk> <unk> okay so you have a cat and then <unk> cat uh drum kit which means become red where <unk> is just to be be read right and what has been changed that way you can use other sort of a spectacle it until you're faced with it so mhm ways to get around these issues yeah of course there's all sorts of so there's all be so there's <unk> oh there's enough firmer do um oh sewer hurry so used to stress the truthfulness of proposition expresses meaning similar to the u. s. word deed or the english auxiliary do an added to affirmative statements this reminds me of spanish <unk> when you say uh uh show see load load beagle i did say it <unk> and english he put a dummy do but ah here in mass where we have this hour iraq which is an affirmative <unk> affirmative um emphatic marker um [laughter] i <unk> i think um he didn't doesn't get much information about how um how to use this but uh given the way he talks about it i think it would be something you would use for <unk> focus thing uh or a <unk> thing but similar to what an english we do what do i did do that uh is uh contrasting get someone saying that you didn't do it [noise] um and then there's also a negative of course there's a bunch of uh perfect imperfect and there's mogul uh used to indicate vents are likely her uh he has a whole bunch of different yeah <unk> um yeah <unk> yeah i kinda like to see some examples of these used does he have taxes at the end or he's done some texts and uh on the forum various things occur but yeah it would be nice to see more examples of some of these close to their sight of explanation i mean there are plenty of examples where these um abilities or use but it'd be nice to see them a little bit closer to you know you just letting it 'cause i think that you know any sort of aspects <unk> thing or even tastes or any of these little things where you have different categories uh it's cool to have examples of how they're used because they're they often differ slightly from language language uh about these really read is while most of them are <unk> are a few that come before so it's not just perfectly regular system yeah which i mean if you look at a language like thai or law which does a lot of this as well you just never know where the eggs are what are we going to go [noise] it might not be near the verb it all sometimes my drift off to the end of the claws [laughter] yeah and he has he has this nice part of what ah what it means when you attack [noise] these uh different uh some of these different aspects to different types of <unk> yeah it's interesting to see uh how how that works out um but calculators derived from a compound that's interesting uh of two different <unk> calculus that used to exist um [noise] it's uh um i mean interesting way to drive it um [noise] basic copy lose still remain in certain <unk> phrases and compounds which is <unk> i'm really butchering everything that i saying this language because i have no idea what i'm doing uh <unk> <unk> and uh there are also uses <unk> outline above the cats out very <unk> i remember somewhere on the forum he apologized for his <unk> system um you know it's like i didn't know better but i'm not changing now because i'm used to it [laughter] it's it's it's it's sort of set now yeah and that's fine [noise] it's it's not very intuitive but you know it's not but i don't think it's obviously insane either i mean considering what other people have done to try to make you know to room a nice holiday or leno yeah some of the choices means you remind me of that which may have been in the [noise] you just a background of his mind when this happened i will give him some benefit of <unk> in that she has an awful lot of fouls aid goes to have a lot of it is very hard to make a good <unk> with lots of <unk> something that i'm going to be struggling with soon as i'm developing <unk> 'cause it doesn't even have this many vowels interest has nine simple vowels and no real <unk> because glide sir confidence but [noise] i'm not sure how i'm going to represent all of those valves you know and i had so many more <unk> than that he has all these songs and strip songs and ah the ah the the voicing differences and all that so <unk> well i really think of um uh korean ah <unk> sometimes they use to vowels digress show yeah yeah that's that's that's one tactic the news that's <unk> yeah <unk> yeah basically if you have more than uh five vowels that's basically what you have to do either die aggressor or lots of diet critics and [noise] what's this many vowels looks like he kinda need a combination of both sometimes yeah it doesn't have propositions darryl verbs which is again in keeping with the standard technology for language is like this also very ah chinese eat in a way um i'm going to it's just for now and it's very low [laughter] it's a very allow [noise] sorry [laughter] it's just that i know chinese <unk> bringing up sorry it is is is an east asian aerial feature say yes yes um but i mean we keep comparing the chinese but it's really it's only in certain ways it is obviously the the predictable tone thing is not chinese also this the fact that it has <unk> stress and has um looks like it has <unk> some polish slapstick roots or die slapstick roots at least you know thinking obviously more belongs in the <unk> family if we can do i mean in terms of inspiration rather than necessarily chinese yeah and uh he did list some influences on his knee quickie page which were going to and <unk> there is one of those japanese and ah and time chinese which are but um it it i think it's um it's definitely sort of an interesting way to build the language that's inspired by those languages but not really fitting in with any one of them [noise] um although i don't know that much about <unk> now i don't know much that much about any of 'em but other than trains but uh you know like <unk> some of the propositions have examples some don't um i don't know how long the nick quickie pages existed actually for a long time i thought there was only [noise] be a web page or or the the stuff on the forum yeah he only certain too impatient august so or the <unk> august so it looks like he has i'm just sort of running your head a little here looks like he has um very persuasive uh topic comment structured ship so and lots and lots of sentence final discourse particles yeah [laughter] yeah i uh uh <unk> their questions or just at a particle <unk> articles in yes that's <unk> cool [noise] ah mm there's lots of oh it's interesting the different types of clauses in <unk> are fairly rigidly differentiated with regard to what arguments are wired optional prohibited or seven identified types of clauses but differ in their role in the sentence and they're using junction topics subjects verbs objects particles falling <unk> table illustrates clauses claws type briefly and each type will be out i'm in scotland but [noise] so there's this interesting uh i guess i guess i need to actually read further do she what that really means but conjunction is disallow with independent clubs is anita actually yeah i remember seeing that charging being a little bit confused yeah it only just started so that's fine um yeah i didn't get all of it that's okay yeah have you heard of it that seem surprising to me is the rigidity if this uh this thing is absolutely required so <unk> in conjunction that's not surprising um actually he has enough optional fields that this is okay it's just it's so often in real language there's all sorts of crap you can drop yeah but yes as i look at this church he doesn't seem as terrifying 'cause they did the first time i looked at it which is seems very rigid but this is still pretty darned flexible considering how many things have to be optional <unk> ah when beginning it says <unk> is uh her job or probably contact so there is some pros awful oh yeah sure there is [noise] yeah [noise] i don't know like to what extent languages are real languages ever are more or less context dependent [noise] uh i mean it's <unk> <unk> some language is really are i've heard a lot of arguments that japanese really is more conduct <unk> english so really i mean all languages are highly highly highly context dependent yeah that's the thing is you know there's so much stuff that's outside of like the language itself but you that that you fill in interpreting to interpret demeaning that's that's what pragmatic says about that's what that's what all but um and we love all that stuff because especially like me i am attach all my languages too ah con culture so i have to think of what what they actually eating eating without <unk> culture if i mean it context dependent deceptive where are you if i'm sitting in the doctor's office and the doctors is open wide open the door [laughter] you have misinterpret diet failed for me to understand how language works [laughter] or rather i would have to be completely in under the <unk> the <unk> even ignoring the question of are you pro drop or not there's so much this context dependent that i i can't even imagine how you would measure that [noise] yeah so anyway um they did i section under visual stuff which is neat and there's <unk> yeah [noise] um <unk> yeah <unk> fun um whereas where i need to find the <unk> okay because <unk> <unk> oh and there are discourse particles yep we already talked about those tons of those uh non non compounds for non compounds uh very nice to break down all the different types of compounding because ah well so like <unk> men men which one is the head it's fine had final so you have um extra extra region as a foreign country or whatever mhm and you have ah a group of cultivated fields as a farm so that's uh that's true [noise] just um i'm just <unk> pointing at random words there's two nights and there's some nice marriage isn't where wind in sun combining the weather and text and writing together means documents so mhm [noise] dessert nice little use of <unk> i haven't heard that <unk> is when you um [noise] sort of normally i think of it used in certain kinds of poetry were you name something by naming two parts of it what <unk> what i found that it could be on it oh good [laughter] [noise] okay [noise] yeah [noise] um yeah no marriages are neat um they're an obvious point of uh <unk> in various places of the world [noise] um i <unk> yeah they're they're an option people should think about more i think [noise] hello they showed the coordinated clauses looking actually i mean we we talk about some of the um what's your <unk> in the middle east that shows you know this is the case this common coordinator pairing yeah yeah ah okay so i see there were duplicating nation [noise] it looks like there's several different uses for it but it's all just full route <unk> yeah that's cool [noise] um and there's some zero whatever derivation so awesome um language is like yeah well yeah when you have very little morphology than you've just convert things from one category and the other line waiting magical derivation of whoa [laughter] you just converted yeah magic <unk> very comes along grant did give me wishes [laughter] geez i needed a <unk> it's [noise] and all of that kind of sounds better than there is a uh a <unk> a zero ethics that that you attached to it ah yeah [laughter] although you know there's reasons people say it that way but uh topics in subjects oh i went through the <unk> [noise] well <unk> it was all very um interesting stuff i think um we're going to link to all the m._s. web page the uh skew swap page and [noise] and uh also to this <unk> be uh forums <unk> which has some texts that's where the <unk> yeah spend a whole lot uh let's keep people can spend as much time as they won uh fiddling through this language <unk> he had a <unk> a really magnificent dictionary but i couldn't i mean there's a link within the [noise] there are images that was a dictionary looks like within the um c._d. beats read but i can't wait to see a floors that simply just [noise] um yeah well does he have a nice like a way to search it and everything probably <unk> invented the rating system i'm sure i don't know what what quarter of um [noise] the unit code mouthpiece grant to make this work if he's oh dear importing images i don't know uh oh um how are you going to find things in his dictionary i wonder if he's going to do to make up a systems similar to <unk> radicals or something like a nightmare dictionary [laughter] that would be quite um that would be quite topic if you did it by i don't think he needs to just have people search by the fanatic [noise] or have people you know you can develop a handwriting analysis system that does handwriting recognition [noise] like all you brats today have available on your phone [laughter] in my day when we study chinese we had to learn those goddamn radicals [laughter] that's how i started learning we spend hours plowing through that dictionary trying to find a word counting strokes [noise] ah <unk> strokes [laughter] i'm not sure how i would uh couch strokes and this language because there's so many curvy rights <unk> little hard to tell where one stroke and i'm sure if you've got used to it could you could figure it out but you learn how to ride it a little bit but that'd be <unk> like i said earlier you thought about the stroke components [laughter] so he must have a way to <unk> yeah there's this <unk> popping up again on t._v. but i think that's about all we can we uh really have to say we i i uh we'll confess that i did not really look at this language for very long before i got started ah recording but it is something that's been on our radar for a long time and i've sort of sneak peak sat at uh the language is that really improved a writing system for yeah this says that well he began in nineteen ninety eight so okay so even when you're older than i mentioned earlier so this is the old languages been working on for a long time even has like uh this uh um historical relationships thing [noise] uh ultimately comes from <unk> [laughter] <unk> what the hell is that i have no idea [laughter] well uh it's just just ah whatever is in his con lying in fact it's the official language of swamp area okay not many labs can claim that [laughter] no [laughter] well it would be interesting to know what what con world this is that he's he's putting the sand but um yeah a very good job on this uh and uh i highly recommend people take a look at the material that you know too much to overwhelm you uh about language is like this is i mean the grabbers comparatively straightforward a lot of fun complexity is going to be hiding in the dictionary [noise] i would expect yeah obviously know morphology charter necessary in these sorts of things [noise] no not really um and they you know you can get uh you can yeah all the uh wonderful uh information on the rating system and stuff 'cause you know so [noise] so highly recommend people check it out and um uh can we move on to feedback shula or um so we got an email from ah joe shilling i hope i pronounce that right he lived <unk> in surely yeah uh and he said you gotta exactly right last time and i we every time i listen to an episode that's we <unk> audience to squeak [laughter] so he says uh i'm still having the pot gas i've got a question for you guys this time um i was trying to use obligation to my language <unk> [noise] so i ended up going down a rabbit whole papers trying to <unk> being tired he of the effect it has on a language that's wonderful [noise] uh i was reading a paper on how it can be used with work or for focus uh and he gives us a a link to the paper you look up and i realized i now three options and heat points out uh a couple of different word orders one is um [noise] it's all with dog being bark <unk> at least the first who have dogs and it's you know child <unk> dog accused of and then ah <unk> see the <unk> the second one is uh you'd have dogs usually have a child and then to see so it's different ways of saying the child so the dog i guess [laughter] and then the third one is looks like and and uh where it's just a child and then dog is incorporated into the verb just see [noise] <unk> and he said he was thinking uh i was thinking of making the left most position to focus position so the sentence would be it is the <unk> the first sentence talked about with with um trial then print it would be eight is the child that she's a dog's a child is a focus then the second one the dog is a focus and then he said that the he wants to get corporate foreign would be the most basic [noise] and he said he was wondering if it's to settle a distinction to make with just word or trickery or do other languages do this [noise] um i don't know william you might know better than me about um languages with <unk> and such so i don't first of all having focused be toward the less <unk> possibly all the way to left um street uncommon although you might get the topic then focus and then the rest of the printing it yeah and i don't think that is too so [noise] yeah that's fine and then the other so the point is you're trying to with focus is you're trying to highlight a particular element um and shifting it is one way to do it um the other the last one number three when she's asking about um again by not incorporating the direct object that the <unk> the um interest in san <unk> of the incorporated object so that's another way i think all of these are legitimate possibilities you just have to pick the one you want um i think third as possible but there is a little bit uh chunk here um the sense that if you have a complex um situations you want to contrast like it thinking about focus it's useful to think about contrast to focus yeah right [laughter] dad went to the store mom went to soccer practice some using any <unk> confusing but if you have to transit verbs you need to do a distinction like this so you might have weirdness using down in corporation where you find yourself incorporating um indefinite which would be a little bit weird it's not impossible but you might wanna think about that a little bit more mhm um later he says um could perhaps you do a show about obligation i've been reading about the gossiping languages but apparently there are other languages an african age it uses will and they tell you should have an obligation maybe [noise] <unk> ah yeah we should think about that um i think we've covered up <unk> in in other places you must have places it was never noticed show just about <unk> everything that i didn't <unk> yeah i don't know <unk> <unk> yeah we could add it you think you think we could get a whole sean i think so okay um [noise] he says also i have a suggestion uh since my last <unk> what sounded like a lively <unk> [laughter] it would be need to put out a sound <unk> ask people to make a language using those sounds then you guys either create one as a show or separately create one uh so you can compare all the madness and wonderful craziness that can be done but just a simple phonology if you wanted to go completely nuts [noise] leave leave that and when you when you do uh practically them ask people to restrict themselves to those sounds to make a language that wheels whatever topic you're talking about could be a lot of fun ah ah so he's basically suggesting we define the the basic <unk> inventory and tell people to go nuts with it it might be interesting we've not yet a huge amount of [noise] the participation when we duties at least some um if we did like a work up to make sure we had a bunch of people who are interested in trying it that might be easier to pull off or more interesting pulled off rather i mean we could obviously do it and say it and then we would get crickets and that would be less interesting yeah now doing it on the show i think um i don't think it i don't know how entertaining it would be to have us all arguing about [noise] the phonology all language <unk> [laughter] but you know i think another one would be would be for us or and maybe invite some other people to actually build you know little basic you know sketches all based on the same footing inventory then compare them on a crow yeah i'd argue <unk> inventing a language together like we'd all get into fight we never talk to each other again because i wanted nasal code isn't george didn't yeah it would just be insane [noise] yeah um so <unk> you know i think i think making our own and then comparing them might be better then 'cause i mean like there would be a lot of dead air on an episode where we're trying to <unk> based thinking of things yeah yes yes ah so anyway [noise] of course the way that i had at the shows that that air would be like <unk> you would just get like weird is possible strings of uh hyperactive comedy here yeah [laughter] okay but uh i think that's all that we ah george coming up i know that we said early on that we were going to <unk> to to uh celebrate on multiple <unk> fifty two but um [noise] considering we've done the short episodes and we've skipped a couple of weeks [noise] um i don't know [laughter] what we're doing or even if we're going to do anything special enron hundred we'll have to see um [noise] so with that i'm going to go first to william what are your final words of wisdom oh i didn't think of any with him today [laughter] all right mike [noise] if you're working with um [noise] what meals a day [noise] um yeah [laughter] that's <unk> ah [noise] yeah um yeah that's that's the way the <unk> and um also go crazy language doesn't feel more [noise] and [noise] let me see <unk> sometimes or you'll just have craziness and they'll figure it out but he's a little thing you try to [noise] a cat before we go my ten you do that from now on [noise] can you just make your final words of wisdom something that has nothing whatsoever to do with <unk> [laughter] [noise] i <unk> uh i'm going to say happy calmly thank you for listening to con lingering you could find our our cars a journal <unk> dot com you can send questions comments for topic or featured language suggestions two conway angry i g male dot com [noise] to submit a con langhorn outlying breeding for the top of the show see our contribute paid for details <unk> provided by the language creation society and our seen music is by no device [noise]

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