Conlangery #89: Polysynthesis

Conlangery #89: Polysynthesis

Published: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:41:23 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 he's asked me what i mean in the <unk> the hunting many in the lord of the biggest <unk> those yes among the <unk> [noise] <unk> the broadcast crooked languages <unk> burling and with me down the road of ways and william hello and over in maine we'd have michael em [noise] oh oh right yeah i have been i have [noise] i think i have introduced william <unk> eighty eight times [noise] wow [noise] so this is absurd eighty nine no it's actually that can be <unk> they wouldn't be less than that because there were several episodes in between that you were not on episode would you introduce me yes <unk> there there there are a lot of episodes there are a lot of episodes in which i have said exactly the same thing at the top of the show [laughter] it's funny that how that works out <unk> you just have a pattern in these shows and you start a certain way and a certain way ah so but [noise] oh random ah self analysis aside we do have a topic for today and let's just jump right into that because it's a big one and we are going to talk about probably since this this [noise] [noise] or a synthetic languages and so um not just an alternative lifestyle [laughter] i think that's a different culture and [laughter] [laughter] okay so lifestyle for playing okay anyway sorry oh never mind <unk> oh you know certainly mothering [laughter] i was i went i went in a totally different direction i don't know why [noise] so uh why don't you uh williams start off with what exactly <unk> that's a really funny thing for you to start with because no one's quite sure what exactly probably sentences is yes lovely you just know the word has existed since the late eighteen hundreds if i understand the history correctly [noise] excuse me and it was designed or picked are created to not surprising you described languages of north america mhm um and so the term is kind of been fuzzy mhm but <unk> one reasonable definition is a highly synthetic language um [noise] another one is when you have a high morphine to work ratio but the problem for both of these definitions is what counts as high yeah compared to what i think right i think it's like a lot of things in type policy in uh it's something that exist on a continuum right so <unk> exactly where you draw the line that we're a very highly synthetic language becomes probably synthetic might be sort of a uh something you could argue about yeah they're very is sort of things that seem to go along with the language being <unk> uh probably synthetic um known incorporation [noise] excuse me is one suggested important feature [noise] um many or non configurations to some degree um they tended to be had marking rather than dependent marking <unk> um and your uh any language may be highly police synthetic in one area but very little <unk> the classic example is language is to have very conflicts verbs systems very simple non systems um the new thing and languages from the south west of north american <unk> american namely not much and now who are both in this way they have these stupendous complicated verbs and downs get hardly any marketing it all [laughter] and that makes sense really for any any time time you're talking about [noise] sort of morphological type apology different word classes can <unk> can can be different parts of the scale right it's not not a huge uh surprised that that kind of thing <unk> when you say the for the nuns and birds union for um <unk> are also in terms of no grammar um uh that's uh i mean everything you know um in general the languages that you described as police synthetic the ethics the it's it's it's harder to make a firm distinction between ah grammar versus meaning derivation they tend to get all jumbled together mhm yeah right so uh one language we are talking about the <unk> family various language that are stupendous lee um i think i think we can say was great confidence that whatever is going on those languages count as <unk> <unk> um you know things like definite marking for one of the arguments will be mixed in along with like motives verbs all in one big pile up yeah it's uh it's interesting how like literally you have we we have a a dictionary for one of these languages that we'll get two and a bit i'm literally you see all these examples where an entire sentence is being encoded in one word or a a whole complex predator kid is in when we're so [laughter] it's really mind boggling i think that maybe why people think mount incorporation might be one very important piece of it because that that is one of those things will will that will get you crazy derivation and then maybe maybe <unk> if you have a lot of languages that were known incorporating that aren't necessarily highly synthetic probably synthetic right but i mean it's i i'm thinking in a necessary but not sufficient kind of way yeah [noise] um although again people aren't really sure about this and we're not necessarily experts and the topic but right there's a fellow who wrote entire book um trying to incorporate probably synthetic languages into the gender tip scheme called the police and this this parameter and he's got a big long list of things um when you're a couch in the language of <unk> going to understand all ones so wait oh wow that that that has to be a job although that's that's um it doesn't surprise me that someone is doing that because from what i understand the jared of idea is that oh morphology is just syntax which oh good [laughter] or at least that's that's one uh view in it [laughter] which ah i'm not touching that with a ten foot pole yeah let's not let's let's not even <unk> what's your definition is polly synthetic languages most of the <unk> most of the ones people recognize as being so are not evenly distributed across the grow their most common in north and south america buffalo new guinea australia in siberia they do not the most part pop up in say africa or they're much let's come in there although <unk> one could make an argument that <unk> to a certain degree oh interesting yeah it even has none of corporation [laughter] interesting and you say they tend to be had marking yep uh any other sort of it's um i think for people who don't have experience with these sorts of languages or who have not been <unk> for a super long time [noise] there are a few things that will really stick out about peace languages um mhm uh they tend to have lots and lots and lots of bound ethics is doing things you might find surprising for example things we think of is that advertisers um often get encoded into a part of the big giant <unk> <unk> uh motion location degree [noise] excuse me <unk> verbs all sorts of things and we can look at some examples of that and um just as an aside and interesting number of languages in north america have ethics is that mark things moving into um or being in fire or water [noise] oh interesting i mean it's useful right cooking and fishing cleaning and all that <unk> that can be just as like um recently like fly into water versus too or they said like um the cook they're <unk> they're not they are what we would call derivation okay they're <unk> ah in any circumstances that makes sense mm okay so it just it just uh is an ethics that means that and then you can [noise] you you have all the additional oddities that can occur with their ration i presume where where in some cases that forms a word that is not exactly <unk> well yes yes absolutely get sort of idiomatic sorts of stuff as as well yeah um um [noise] so we've been talking about <unk> synthesis we're using the word synthesis and that will of course make mustard stink of synthetic language is like the new european languages lightning greek and so on and so forth [noise] so we have on the one hand this sort of access of morphology isolating synthetic ugly or isolating everything is an independent word uh gluten eating is um various ethics is piled up together but they're all independent with a six to clear meaning and then the <unk> language where you get various kinds of ethics is but they combine multiple meanings for example in ah most new european languages when you decline your bones um both case number and sometimes gesture are included in the ethics right it handle analyze that can't be t's department or [noise] whereas the language like turkish which is a gluten eating you'll get number marking person marking case working there all separate yeah but probably synthesis is not just since this has gone crazy you can get a an igloo needing language that's still qualify as is polly synthetic just because it has the morphine newark ratio <unk> yeah i i see her at the <unk> language is most for the most part are largely <unk> although funny things happen where'd boundaries for the most part you can pull things apart yeah <unk> <unk> what we said in our episode on live nation um sort of the ideal <unk> language is you have bunches of <unk> but it's one meaning per morphine and they tend to be very clear wearing the boundaries are and then since cedric is you get several meanings attached one morphine um one thing that i kind of want to talk about is ah if you are creating a language and you intend to make it <unk> you probably do want to make sure that there are sort of ways to determine that something is one word sort of things like you're stressed assignment we'll probably help you with that it's probably or you know um some some fun tactic constraints can help you to define where we're boundaries are just so that you know you are making sure that your big long words <unk> can't really be sort of analyze also as just a phrase [noise] er right i'm not sure that some some in um <unk> <unk> yeah it's not a huge deal necessarily um i mean in in most of the uh <unk> which is all sorts of some of the tactics happening morphine boundaries that do not have a drink honors mm right often strengthening all sorts of crazy just goes on assimilation substitution and yeah yeah [noise] it's just it's just something to think about and it's <unk> it doesn't have to be a hundred percent clear because a natural language is not always a hundred percent clair shores so um you know you you it's just uh something that you need to keep in mind [noise] um so can we get into some examples of different things well can we talk about the ethics versus composition of distinction first yes that that would be a good thing so we have one pursued it and if you look at that would give you the article on probably synthesis you'll find that one scholar makes a distinction between ethics and composition probably synthesis and i don't know if this is a real thing necessarily again it's going to be a um [noise] spectrum i still think it's useful to think about this distinction i because for example i didn't know really much about the ones that she kansas composition which seemed really interesting so the ethics so probably synthetic languages tend to be ten <unk> like <unk> over that is you have many many of these morphine and they are all expected to land in particular slots right right you know the direct object morphine always fall in <unk> three and you know some transiting marketing always falls in love seven and it's demos <unk> whenever you know that sort of stuff <unk> um it's a classic example of that um right and these languages tend to have a huge pile of hound morphine and they only get one free morphine for word the other side is composition and what's the most interesting about these is they can have more than one free morphine pervert especially by way of <unk> corporation and verbs realization <unk> so that sort of interesting to have more for me if you said probably synthesis i would only think of what this person comes the ethics ill um ones so the idea of having verbs he realization within a um post synthetic environment is sort of interesting to me i mean in <unk> you can get some <unk> verb pile ups where it's kind of clear what certain common <unk> elements are but at this point in the history of the language by the time we get to it it's almost <unk> anyway uh-huh um they might be uh see see other things and then the beauty of page lists names on these languages i was not able to really find a lot of information about these like which makes me sad we sort of interest me any more details about those so <unk> it's really sounds like the cup additional versions are doing lots of different types of compounding uh yeah it would be et cetera yeah it wouldn't be the <unk> of these bound morphine okay it's just and none of corporation and verbs realization plays that much more significant <unk> well <unk> when i was just reading and you can <unk> like in chinese or given simple uh right in the two of them live not one means gather right at that chinese is the classic example uh it's very common in a bunch of 'em yeah in languages yeah chinese of course not politicians [laughter] er right now is the first time i'd ever seen that i mean i'm used to thinking of verbs realization as a thing in you know these highly isolating languages or analytic correct just rather so yeah well that just shows that sometimes individual features can sort of these type a logical categories that we put languages and they're useful in some senses but they're not like boxes right so you can have features that that can be in that either one and still makes sense so <unk> have you guys had experience with <unk> with these kind of languages um i've never worked with a pause and sideline with myself i was lucky enough to find a cheap copy of a west greenland grammar at a used bookstore years and years and years ago [noise] um and and that's in the <unk> family of languages so i had lots of you know page after page <unk> morphine so they wouldn't bunkers with and one of my first language is ever publish on the web uses these a lot <unk> always um <unk> as much understanding is when my <unk> um [noise] but it was somewhere i'd have spent a good deal of time looking at these in the past not as much recently yeah for me unfortunately i don't really have much experiences which is why i'm yet uh quite a bit of a disadvantage [laughter] when when talking about this but yeah uh i i know what i have heard from william about <unk> other languages and he mentioned but that's about all i know yeah um [noise] there is an interesting so <unk> one of the papers linked to in the um <unk> it's called the morphological orthodoxy in <unk> you pick any of it um which um it's a paper so it's making an argument but i don't care about the argument it just gets lots of really great non terrifying examples of how little words build up to a bigger words um in this language so here's one on page one fifty five and this paper oh this is to take it from a larger set of papers so it's not actually a hundred and fifty five pages long um example fifteen goes from but she is smiling one word she is suddenly smiling one word she suddenly smiled one word she suddenly smile to put in vain one bird evidently she suddenly smiles but in vain one word with one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen syllables wow wow um but it shows you building up and how the parts get shafted um so we have a word for water boots and then she is making water boots someone who makes water boots they have someone who makes water boots they definitely don't have someone who makes them water bridge [laughter] which one two three four five six seven eight nine ten <unk> so um but it shows you how these things get pulled piled up and pull together and that's really nice um the other thing we have which maybe we can spend some time looking in just because it's awesome um is the <unk> uh we have a dictionary uh one of these languages um he <unk> dictionary um and starting on page two forty one they have a separate set of section of the dictionary devoted to these <unk> elements which in this language family they called post bases yeah i highly recommend people actually go go take a look at they have a little introduction into what a quote unquote post <unk> before they go into it and many of these um words have some examples yes sometimes quite a few examples should get a good idea and the thing i want to draw people's attention too is we have one just looking at the first page of of these you know a section um you have one ethics which means old aged used or bad mhm like that old house um that one is it usable old boots that sort of thing so that's clearly a changing meaning but then over and the other call him we have one that means although the rather but yeah um oh and then we have one then marks habitual action and then we have one that indicates an actress happening quickly or you have one that indicates that you think or assume that something happening so that i think <unk> eating is just one is hutus one word and then i don't think so and so has eating is another one [noise] yeah i i think uh it it is important to point out it's not like every sentence in these languages is just one word right um there are a lot of big words and they're certainly a lot of cases where there's a sentence it's all one word or a sense that is the subject and then the <unk> all one word right um but you know there's there's also more variety in terms of uh you can you can have more [noise] more words and this <unk> this year though it's not it's three words that means is it that quite amazing that you don't know about where he's from [noise] on page two forty four under the first element under the g. section um right so you have one that means for there to be a lot of something in a button so are they going to be many people is one of the examples <unk> ah i'm really is i guess they have an order that they <unk> not just randomly shaken up and just out in this language family it's not ten <unk> mostly pile up as they make sense with meaning being composition ill piling on left work <unk> right it's and then at the very end you and what we would normally consider inflection morphology like um [noise] subject and object marketing although these languages tend to be <unk> so yeah so it it's sort of like the words to sort of have like the order i guess is is like part of the derivation and in some of these sort of you you could have though you could probably have in some cases um a word mean different things because of of you know good order i uh i kind of hesitate to say this but it's sort of like some of these words are sort of like mini sentences or mini phrases that are just blow 'em together into one word somehow well yeah sure i mean the meaning is compositions being that it's just that the the principals by which they're assembled in different right i saw a little goes out just wonder if it's like english we can say you know the big blue ball but if you say the last thing not think about it if you say the blue they've ball that sounds really strange and it's not like that's an order that we we um we just made no uh explicitly but it just all that <unk> that is another thing that's that's something that people have <unk> there is there is sort of an or adjectives and english yeah i was well let me i mean so it's more like that in languages that have these um our first some elements but so much of these are about building uh meaning mm yeah whenever makes sense you have to pick the order two correctly choose the sense [noise] um i had did see a few papers on some of these languages were they exactly asked this question mhm and they often found for some of these things that multiple orders were acceptable to listen to <unk> i'd have been for that and that's that's an interesting one thing i'd want to ask you about is there's you know obviously aspects of elements that you've negotiation yes does the <unk> the scope of the medication in falls word is in the in the word sometimes or that is interesting people write papers about negotiations companies like it was that other kinds of scope like quantify scope in these language can be fun to determine as well because your qualifiers might be part of your curb [laughter] oh we just cover we just covered quantify or scoping in in american oh what a nightmare nuts it's just not yeah especially with the theory that we're going we're we're we're learning and i don't know it gets bonkers [laughter] yeah i would guess [laughter] um no a quick question um listen <unk> i got no none of the corporation um other certain now that gruber conglomerates or it's just basically the novice <unk> to a certain place in it no matter what the mountainous we didn't do an entire episode on that in a corporation yes i i remember that i wasn't sure if that was something that um with these kind of language is if they use that and if that counts as part of the palaces that area or something totally different the pilots we didn't mention that runs um that's an interesting question [noise] as i said i think there are probably some languages that count as having known corporation or various kinds that aren't probably synthetic um you can actually have a non incorporating isolating language um which present yeah funny word or things um well yeah it's <unk> corporation really from what i understand it it's just that you have some particular way of <unk> putting a now in to the verb ah <unk> in in some sort of and it can be derivation all in some cases i can uh be sort of <unk> as as william side we did do an entire episode on this and thursday type policy of of of um of known incorporation yeah <unk> yeah yeah i didn't want to see <unk> i was touching on out here and i know that when you think about doing a lot of like those those kinds of things <unk> what you want to take into consideration i mean now <unk> anyone family um uh people aren't sure i keep saying i <unk> i <unk> i should look up what the official name of that family is um people aren't sure if those actually have known incorporation they have lots and lots of these posts basis that attached to known to drive new meaning [noise] um yeah and none of them have verbal meanings it looks like but yeah no there's uh you should make some of them are verbal eating some of them are known meaning some i mean the various kinds of things but you have a bunch of these elements that produces verbs after the smack down to know like you have one that means do have a pain in the like [laughter] to go hunting acts or to build ex um okay that's really been then do you count the <unk> or <unk> or what's going on so there's a little bit of debate about that yeah it's well it's very you know whereas the language like not <unk> definitely hands what we would consider down the corporations get now plus verb composed in particular way indicated particular new special behavior the need to turn were and then that resulting blob then can additionally take all the rest of the verbal system um including additional kinda verb see realization things and since lock it even trans lock it and other kinds of fun [noise] ooh [laughter] [laughter] yeah so one thing i just it's a fun thing in this dictionary you want to draw your attention to him page two sixty two [noise] is they have a um post space <unk> which means to be able but there are one two three four five six sub um post places that are composed admitted elements so you have one that means no longer able one that means simply cannot ever is unable you have one that means once who was able to mhm we can say <unk> it's the one who is the one who cannot talk um [laughter] i don't know what that means really unable mhm um what it means to become able or is able to now really i'm a._o._l. yeah so intensive yes and intensive and then the last one um somehow and it just seems non composition oh a little bit idiomatic um it means to like or enjoy huh owns them i was thinking about doing just to <unk> for like a helping her kind of thing and that seems to be similar to what this is right um but this is of course bonkers and has also [laughter] <unk> well i mean one of these it's really obviously a negative um element which i recognize them elsewhere in the language so i mean the some of this is um kind of companies are shown some of it's less obviously composition but no i just wanted to point out that a is an interesting you know there's a family of derivation elements based on this one post base [noise] which makes sense it doesn't make sense but it was interesting place to start to elaborate meanings and thinking about how they might interact with other of these things [noise] yeah it would it would be interesting to <unk> sort of liars do that to a similar sort of thing and you sort of picked out one aspects and start messing with <unk> working out different different ways that they can express different things from that one one thing that's interesting about this language in particular and the whole family is that sometimes and calming or start making these things they have <unk> ethics is that all have the same confident follow patterns mhm it is all over the board ah yeah i start with vowels the end of the bells they start with constants they started <unk> constant clusters might be one syllables might be too might be three um [laughter] there are one or two that are simply a single which i'm surprised don't get to swallowed up right there's a meal coasted remembering when you get new words as a result of that sort of thing [laughter] yeah ah that's something i'm sort of guilty oh is that i start making <unk> or something and then i realize that they're all a singles t._v. syllable sure and i'm like <unk> my doing oregon unnatural yes yeah and so you can look at this and it's like i almost think maybe when you were doing these aspects of the ethics is probably will be <unk> simpler than roots in some respects although in this case it looks like they're they're they have just the same stuff yeah but you should either use your um if you're using like awkward use your general awkward settings or set up awkward settings to generate the actual <unk> and stuff yeah i know i've used awkward degenerate aspects as with <unk> and i've got a little bit more natural results although i'm kind of picky about what i pick out of awkward so all we agree [laughter] <unk> ethics on page two fifty nine which i just love it has to meanings which are clearly related but i think it's an interesting um herring it's uh <unk> and it means and it's used to <unk> uh non from another now and it means the smell of something or the nature of something yeah we this this language is interesting in one idea uh one of those things that's really interesting randomly about this language is the fact that you don't get nasal assimilation for some reason yep so you have this soon soon nick nick yeah <unk> <unk> and the example and the example is hilariously a word that means to smell the fish [noise] <unk> <unk> yeah anyhow but i do like the nature of or character of it's an interesting addition to the [noise] to that thing [noise] then that's very interesting stuff um you have in your notes a couple things that i i uh would uh we're <unk> good to highlight you said one sort of simple way to uh sort of start a public synthetic language is to start off maybe when you're doing historical derivation make probably personal agreement yes no sort of an opening salvo which makes sense because once you have polly personal agreement you have that's um i liked her listeners holly first agreement yes sorry [laughter] and that's it's funny that i just said that when you actually write it out and make your wherever agree with more than just the subject that's what it probably personal agreement you have agreement with at least two arguments of the fur right so <unk> obviously yeah of a transit verb so usually subjecting the object by default you can add on more than that but that's a really good point because as soon as you have that you can start doing pro drop and at <unk> it's just the uh subject an object pronouns are just aspects us on the verb ended up then you get started [laughter] there you go you know what i mean <unk> <unk> <unk> from there and some languages take a step further and they might also cross reference to indirect object or other sorts of case rolls location and stuff like that yeah that's <unk> it's it's not always just that right [noise] uh is there anything you want to say but i mean at the subway to start your best bet is to just start looking at these languages think about them a while and then you know go forward um they tend to be full complete systems so it's a little bit hard for me to imagine situations where you could sort of incrementally build up i mean i suppose you'd uh sketches where you just keep getting more adding more i wonder really how much we know about the historical development of these languages because as you said probably since christmas the term was developed in order to describe native american languages right so i would argue that we have one clear historical example of a language evolving into a bully synthetic language okay and that is <unk> ancient egyptians and it's earlier stages and for a long ten minutes history was basically a very moderately synthetic language mhm in in the in the afro <unk> overtime became increasingly pulley synthetic more and more things got climbed into the verb all sorts of things collapsed it became part of the <unk> when you get huge uh now the incorporation verb multiple arguments especially cause it gives are hilarious giant pile ups [noise] um and this is all documents it right that's that's probably a good place to start then since [noise] obviously there's a very long record written record that people have been scouring for [noise] for many many years i just walked away from my desk to go look at my library look reno wrote a book on the egyptian language and it's a historical overview starting from the earliest phased latest and you can just read the book and watch it to watch one language turned into policy language so that might be a good place to start if you want to do historical method and you want and language to develop probably spent this along the way you know um one thing that i have hurt hurt about is it's not becoming <unk> synthetic necessarily but to a lot of people say that french is developing or has developed <unk> personal agreement colloquial french yes yeah so that's something you could you could look at just to get an idea of uh um at least one process where you could go from single person agreement to probably personal agreement yet uh mike has found a word that he likes and his ah looks like welsh yes yes it is it's actually um when we were talking about the <unk> the the uh it's it's a large village and community on the islands and we'll see in wales situated on the <unk> um [noise] here <unk> here's the ricki lake okay i'm not sure that count as probably synthesis other than just joined stupid were well okay i think we might want to put i don't know um i've thought about 'cause that word it means there is a long does it mean for it [noise] it's not st mary's church in the hall of the white hazel near the rote rapid whirlpool of <unk> [noise] yeah i don't think it's <unk> i mean i think so okay there there is sort of a difference i think between <unk> and big giant compounds english can get big giant compound words yeah um my husband's just use it across the board was english or well sure i think <unk> whatever <unk> uh but that doesn't mean the whole language does that <unk> just examples of <unk> like and and all <unk> and it's often things like in english um you get gigantic long compounds but it tends to me like combinations of sort of almost noun phrase type elements that all add up to become a noun yeah you don't get a word in english that means the sentence right yeah um so there there are i think there is a distinction to be made there uh we can leave it to the actual sort of the two two more fall it just made me myself in the future right stringent workout weather theoretically there's any difference or not but it does <unk> be a different thing i just thought it was interesting 'cause we didn't have too many examples of now that that probably affects um well you give up that you can get those in plenty of languages where you have an entire <unk> and get to normal as i nominal wiser suffix yeah and presto was though you've got a gigantic scary now mhm yeah i know who you're talking about the verbs your religion and there's a lot of smells observes being um having like a <unk> uh <unk> <unk> wednesday happened than there are the different <unk> that go on to us but i didn't know too many nuns that did that so these are just uh some of those now the have well english was break up and lots of little words little phrases and it's a thousand um the one level do of letters yeah yeah um yeah it's it's just to me it looks like the the <unk> the uh at least this um this um <unk> would we call it an <unk> language is it it it's an interesting language you're right that we're looking at the end you want to if you're doing is is different from the kinds of giant long compounds that we kept in germany and dramatic languages or other places in that we make big long mountains like um high voltage electricity system supervisors example for my <unk> um but this has whole sentences or credit kits and that that are all one word and it seems to me that and it seems that you know having um the the the verbs in the derivation may <unk> having verbs in in that may um meat may uh be crucial to that it may not because you know verbs are like <unk> tend to be but i don't know question i don't think <unk> [laughter] yeah yeah i didn't want to put something in this uh if someone wants thinking about maybe making their downs have be a little more um <unk> yeah then they have some <unk> this is the <unk> the <unk> uh yeah that is then you add languages have plenty i mean it's not like everything in the post bay section only goes on for lots and lots of these <unk> now oh yeah yeah so okay you can't have big long man's in here too okay but then but i suppose that's also wasn't and being crazy i'm not <unk> i i i know um well that's that's again like williams said oh we were we were the trying to find the actual the actual limit here is sort of the theoretical question we don't really necessarily need to answer that for <unk> i mean we just need to know what what variation exist and that's why we're pointing out you know some of these languages but have entire we have we have giant gigantic words that mean things like what uh prepared a place for seeds to grow right you know um [noise] uh i was gonna say oh um wild doing some research for the show i found that there was last year a really nice and thorough thread <unk> bulletin board mhm maybe about polly synthesis um which covers some things in detail which we don't need to go to here just because we've done other episodes on them right we don't need to talk about not a corporation because we've already done that um but if you don't mind reading stuff there's a lot of good information there um and it's worth your time to go find the person's posters some neat stuff there mhm um and one of our featured languages and show forty one um includes a dictionary which has a you know it's last section is also a large was determination elements mhm so you can get some more ideas there if you want to train him to one of these things [noise] yes it's it's good it's always good to have models to work i i i'm i'm i feel like something important for <unk> is to work from natural language models because you know syria won't get you there necessarily because syria's trying to break things down and analyze them but looking at an actual language data will give you an idea of possibilities that you can try sure okay um why don't we move on to feed back since we've sort slightly derailed who will do that yet [laughter] um so um this is an email from penn and a lot uh <unk> he's a frequent comment or he <unk> he <unk> he comments a lot and i i've seen his comments fairly often on the site and uh he has a long email uh i don't know if we'll talk about everything about it <unk> in it right now but i have a couple of things i wanted to highlight is he gave us a few suggestions about um topics that we could go on um things about the um [noise] and uh uh things we already <unk> are thinking of doing with with shorts up so it was over and we'd have done was short <unk> and then um but the interesting one is he said we she suggested we do a practical on naming languages what do you think about that [noise] um yeah we can do that so i don't think i think i don't know if it would be the next topic episode or later down the road but that's one i think we could put on her list because um [noise] it's it's a bit of a lighter topic uh [laughter] we could go over but uh i think it would be useful for a lot of people who um people who are making big con worlds and want to have some lightning is that they don't want to work out fully or people who are using con lying for flavor and don't want to make a full language at all yeah um so yeah that would be um [noise] you <unk> i think it was going to be a lot of uh of saying exactly how far do you want to go and take it that far but uh that's um that's one good suggestion and uh another one for short seasick trusted i take things from the <unk> the source and point out some of the interesting countries that might be that could generate a few shorts that that would be cooked <unk> look at a few of the the little charts and stuff that you have on there um in there that would that would uh i think that would be useful for a lot of people you know um and uh he even suggested sort of me doing more of the sort of random things that i pointed that did like uh the one uh uh four character idiom tonight mhm did an episode on [noise] um yeah the <unk> sauce good suggestions so thank you and a lot we may talk about more stuff in your email there's one thing that i want to talk off there about but uh so i'm <unk> mentioned that part right now but uh uh thank you for that email all email comes to <unk> dot com i read all of it uh we do end up putting a lot of them on the show frankly because um [noise] uh you know we like to share all the email and you know we uh we don't get a huge over flow but we'd kind of like more sometimes uh uh we all you can also send the greetings for the <unk> um their um one no i want to make is i want to clarify something i didn't really get questions about this but i've gotten a couple of uh languages that are well our languages i have no native speakers what's going to say dead languages but uh the one of them was polly which i don't know whether it's like an electrical language is used so [laughter] it's one of those weird things is like you call latin a dead language or is it like a zombie <unk> holly [laughter] yeah yeah that's that's <unk> that's that's what that's the analogy i was thinking of [noise] so um but i got one in gothic too but so because we i had said before we prefer native or near native speakers for natural languages but obviously if there's a language that you know a lot about that has no native speakers then you're free to do uh [laughter] and if if you're getting into that so i look forward to our treating it tight [laughter] do we even know enough about well how tight was pronounced made it a good guess <unk> maybe [laughter] i would be <unk> i would be delighted to hear someone attacked like from what i know like we know that hit tight preserve the in the european <unk> one of them will just one one uh but we still don't know what that was [noise] [laughter] [noise] all right well what's that i'm just gonna go william do you have any final we're <unk> not this week uh mike [noise] um i didn't find any crazy words was the last week but um this interview <unk> i'm sure there's full of crazy words that can be wisdom full [noise] so uh son one there but um [noise] seriously i just look at look at languages that you may have never checked out uh you'll find crazy things than get great ideas i'm going to look at this in u._p._s. doesn't language and probably use a lot of threats um it's racist and that so [noise] as racing someone actually this then you'll find interesting things that seem like they're crazy but they actually doing all right and then once that i'm going to say happy combine thank you for listening to con lying or you could find our our car insurance <unk> dot com you can send questions comments <unk> topic or featured language suggestion [noise] to con lying <unk> g. l. dot com [noise] to submit a con langhorn outlying breeding for the top of the show see our contribute paid for details [noise] web space for con wineries provided by the language creation society and our seen music is by no device [noise] late if people want to help us with or things people want help with ah to help to help <unk> help us ah ah episode ideas <unk> volume thing coming up and taking focus away <unk> george [noise] well [noise] level the train [noise] yes but the train only happens in your mind [laughter] [laughter] that it was our george i'm still recording so you say in your mind just needs to show up in some comments that they had

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