Conlangery SHORTS #10: Phrasebook: How do you say …?

Conlangery SHORTS #10: Phrasebook: How do you say …?

Published: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:56:30 +0000 \

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utterance-id1 [noise] [noise] well come through congress or cats are constructed languages i'm george carlin and this is another work here uh continuing on my little crazed booked sherry and working on this one he's going to deal with something that honestly i don't know an increase books on it a very important sort of early <unk> you should know if you are starting to learn a language or if you know very little of the language so i thought i would uh put it and there's actually two separate very related crazy that i want to talk about today and that's ah what does <unk> mean <unk> whatever word you're looking at and the other one is how do you say <unk> cheese or one of those you could append um a pen you know in english in whatever language and that uh i think i'm going to talk about in a little bit but first of all let's go with what the ex me so you're requesting demeaning or work uh thursday i've seen a lot of interesting ways to do this now you can just literally just habit literally translated what does <unk> <unk> variable mean what is whatever word um uh by so you know breaking that down a little bit in english we're having a verb meaning to means something to signify something and that's how where uh expressing it but there's a friday or others um oh there are ways to to deal with that in chinese um you can talk about uh <unk> you can say ah <unk> ah x. has what meaning so you know you can have pulled that sort of the the meaning part of that into a now the the the the significant <unk> part of it and you know you can pull in more idiomatic thing so uh one thing i noticed um uh but uh happens in spanish is they have there is you can't say case <unk> literally just what does what does this mean kissing <unk> but you can also say <unk> <unk> <unk> what does <unk> want to say which i found <unk> i i've always found a really interesting fund sort of <unk> metaphorical uh way of saying ah what does it mean um uh apparently from what i've gathered through uh threat on online forms uh uh and i can't take everybody that that gave me examples of of of translations into various languages but um i will say it was very interesting discussion that his since morphed into a completely different discussion as as things on the on line mailing list talking too but um apparently french has this is well possibly italian so maybe more common among romance languages than i thought uh um uh i've also apparently according to a a a a a post on that trip by christopher rents are cove it's uh i'm also a curves in <unk> um so uh that's that's an interesting direction copying that one directly might not necessarily be the the um the um might be interesting but i'm thinking you know that could be an interesting is permission for people to think of other metaphorical ways that they could extend things in order to make that 'cause with the set phrases i think sometimes there's a likelihood have sort of idiomatic idiosyncrasies between languages and have some more colorful ways of expressing them going back to the chinese example um this x. has what meaning to it seems almost that and this is completely conjecture i haven't really consulted native speakers about this could be a little office but the difference in chinese between uh what this means and what's his translates is how do you say is a little bit [noise] we <unk> there is a separate thing that you <unk> <unk> uh way to say how to use saying chinese so much <unk> um but um i often here uh an error in <unk> where when chinese people speak english uh where they use the word to me when they're referring to uh translation <unk> maybe not an arab but sort of an <unk> idiomatic usage where they say um you know house means funds in chinese that makes no sense <unk> doesn't make a whole lot of sense to uh native english speaker you'd have to you have to sort of think about it and <unk> talking about like uh translation whereas in english we'd probably use ah <unk> is um houses fund in chinese uh that sort of thing but uh we or um or some <unk> like translates to or something like that but we wouldn't necessarily you meet so that's an interesting thought of where you might be able to draw a couple of different concepts and one or or even more finally ah distinguish [noise] meaning in translation and all that kinda thing that would be an interesting thing ah to to look at um moving on a little bit too how do you say of course i haven't found too many more colorful things to waste to say it one thing uh that pops out from the discussion that is a lot of people or make specific reference to the the the way that a particular language makes an impersonal reference so when in english you say how do you say beans in spanish that you is and impersonal you it's implied that it's uh i and uh the <unk> the same as like one or something like that um uh i noticed that um the the french example i think he's on which means one uh <unk> <unk> there were several other people who gave examples <unk> that that uh uh used some particular impersonal pronoun or um but it is um [noise] interesting uh to say you know you know if you are saying how did you say something you are probably going to have to make it and impersonal reference of some sort so it can be uh interesting avenue towards figuring out how your language handles impersonal reference obviously when someone says how do you say uh something in a language unless they are <unk> unless they are a ah a linguist who wants to know particularly what their <unk> their particular informative saying you're more likely just asking what in general does the native speaker community used what word do they use [noise] so it's necessarily sort of a generic impersonal thing uh the last bit that i want to talk about with this particular phrase when you're looking at the <unk> when you say how do you say uh bees wax in english [noise] how'd you say <unk> in english in chinese in turkish in <unk> uh whatever uh language you're talking about um one thing about that you know obviously in english we're using in which is sort of uh uh one of our collection of ah lucrative pronouns i i i can't be bothered to look up what's <unk> particular lay it would be called to it and it has a lot of different means anyway and uh a lot of european languages do that um it does extent outside that i i believe um i know that <unk> uh which is sort of an athlete but it's often has a lucrative meaning but i've always been fond of using in instrumental nah <unk> because to me if she needs to make more sense to envision the language is a tool that are you are using to communicate and therefore put it in as an instrumental argument in the sense that of course is my aesthetic opinion about it you can you can decide how much follow from that but it is interesting that several people after i mentioned that brought up that there are actual natural language is that do uh use uh a um [noise] uh that do ah put it in the instrumental case i think <unk> one example uh there there's several others uh i i am not really uh wanting to look through the whole document right now but uh that's an interesting sort of option you can have and there may be more i know that in chinese it's um very often ah the the the language term comes before the her so he's uh uh <unk> gone so much <unk> ah chinese <unk> basically lost in that literally chinese how say <unk> i'm not exactly sure what that <unk> what what chinese is <unk> that's that would be an interesting thing to look into um [noise] <unk> <unk> [noise] something like an ad for or it could be a focused uh now but that's sort of beside the point i'm i'm sure if people want to look at look at that and and maybe get ideas <unk> they could they could actually you know research that and see if anyone really knows what that is um but several different options for ah how to express the part of in like in the language in what language do you want uh <unk> what language do you want this information for when you were saying what do you what does this mean or how do you say this ah so that's about all that i have to talk about this topic i just thought [noise] a few different ideas and and a few little speech dressings on how these could lead into other [noise] like grammatical arthur anderson [noise] of your language uh so with that [noise] ah thank you for this thing and happy <unk> thank you for listening to con lingering you could find our our cars ensure notes at <unk> dot com you can send questions comments more topic or featured language suggestion [noise] to con lying or you had to female dot com [noise] to submit a con lying or not lying breeding for the top of the show see our contribute paid for details [noise] <unk> provided by the language creation society and our seen music is by no device [noise] really really i said pronoun instead of proposition and

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